From: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V2 #18 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 2 December 1992 Volume 02 : Number 018 In this issue: Re: Area 51 tours... Re: Castle Re: where... F-117A B-1 Re: Aurora Re: F-117A Re: F-117A ON THE GROUND, SUCKER B1 stuff Re: guarding aircraft Hit the ground, part 2 Re: F-117A F-117 security procedures C-141's Re: Castle Mud Re: F-117 ON THE GROUND, SUCKER Re: Hit the ground, part 2 T-tailed Mountain Magnet See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 05:59:50 MST Subject: Re: Area 51 tours... scooter@emunix.emich.edu (Todd McDaniel) writes: >Last night I happened to catch the end of a program called "Mysteries from >beyond the other dimension" on the Sci-Fi channel. At least I'm pretty sure >of the title! I've never seen the show, but it is "Dominion" rather than dimension. (not that it really matters much :) >Anyway, they talked to the guy who was offering the tours of Area 51. >The also showed some vague video of what was thought to be the "Aurora" >landing at Area 51. They showed the picture from AW&ST, that seemed >to imply that it carried a second stage, and some computer genterated video >of a wire framed "aurora" passing in front of the viewer. Interesting... thanks for the tip! I'll be sure to catch the rerun. >The report was interesting, except for the gentleman insisting that the >USAF had *NINE* "opperational" alien spacecraft, that had either crashed >or were aquired through *TRADE* with an alien intelligence Yea, I think we were supposed to have traded them for "strawberry ice cream". Just remember... this *IS* the "sci-fi" channel. :-) ------------------------------ From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 06:03:17 MST Subject: Re: Castle Wayne Fiori writes: >Just got back from the long weekend and I wanted to share my experience >with the group. Great! >I went to Castle's museum on friday for the sole purpose to see their >SR-71 (tail number 17960). I can't think of too many better reasons... :-) >The SR-71 is out toward the access road and it looks so small. Huh... i've never thought of the Blackbird as all that "small". >For some reason I'd always thought of the plane being much larger, >but the F-105 that is on display is about the same length and >three times the height. Wow!! Well, hmmmm... Here are the general specs: _SR-71A_ _F-105D_ Wingspan 55 ft. 7 in. 34 ft. 9 in. Length 107 ft. 5 in. 64 ft. 4 in. Height 18 ft. 6 in. 19 ft. 7 in. Max TO wt. 170,000 lb. 52,840 lb. Castle definitley has SR #960, so I am really at a loss to explain how a Thud could seem "three times higher", except that the SRs fuselage is more "flat" and spread out. I don't suppose they could also have some sort of mini-SR mock up on display there? :-> >By the way, there were two fins under the fuselage on the port side >of the plane, what are these for? Any ideas? How large were these "fins"? There are some antennas that stick out from the bottom. The YF-12 and SR-71B also have large ventral fins on the lower-rear section of the engine nacelles. >Even though this plane looks like the definition of fast, it's hard >to imagine something that small moving at mach 3.3. Hmmm... I dunno what to tell ya. They have never seemed "small" to me. After all, you can walk around under one without even having to hunch over that much. I've always thought of them as fairly "big"... >And for those of you who still want to discuss bomb load this place just >acquired a B-36 to go along with its other bombers (17,18,24,29,50,57,52 >with hounddog another). Nice! I'd like to get a look at one of those. >Right now it's in a fenced off area, in lotsa pieces. >The fuselage is in three pieces and the engines are stacked nearby. Ouch... >For those who would like to know where Castle is, it is in the >San Jaoquin (sp?) valley Close! Joaquin. BTW, Castle is in Merced County, CA... >A very nice museum all in all. I'll have to try and get up there one of these days. One question, do they have the SR roped off, or what? Any idea what the condition of the cockpit is? - -dean ------------------------------ From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 06:04:25 MST Subject: Re: where... pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com writes: >As to the copywright issue, in a particular court case i noted in the >NY Times (25 Nov), they came down on someond for publishing 52% of a >source. The specifics, of course, were different. Sounds fairly reasonable. I would certainly not want anyone "publishing" copyrighted material of mine without permission. Not much comparison to posting an article to a "free" mailing list though. :-> > The U2/"You Too" label stuck. > Now, this story is certainly amusing, and human. I wonder if it >really helped name tha a/c... Hmmm... cute stuff! ------------------------------ From: "S.K. Whiteman" <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:WHITEMAN@IPFWVM> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 08:26:48 EST Subject: F-117A Zel Eaton writes: >This column also describes an F-117A visit to an airshow at CFB, Comox >(Canada). ". . . six armed marine guards with the craft at all times . >. ." " . . . security personnel painted the silhouette of an F-117A on >the tarmac . . . " for the benefit of sats passing overhead? Is this >standard operating proceedure? The two times I've seen the 117A at Oshkosh, EAA convention, I didn't notice any thing unusual painted on the ramp; but, A/C are parked nose to tail with little open space. :-) I suspect that this is a joke. Get it ..... stealth, only the shadow knows...... :-() I have seen variations of jokes on the on the stealth theme. The guards are real.... ------------------------------ From: tslage78@Calvin.EDU (Thomas Slager) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 8:53:57 EST Subject: B-1 Another B-1 went down yesterday. Anybody have any info? I heard 1 survivor, but this is from my local radio station. Also, two C-141s went down yesterday. Bad day to be in the USAF I guess. - -- Little pieces of me keep breaking off, | tslage78@ursa.calvin.edu It hurts--but I am getting lighter..... | ------------------------------ From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 07:31:02 MST Subject: Re: Aurora Zel Eaton <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:AD04@NEMOMUS> writes: >Page 43, December 1992 edition of Monitoring Times (Federal File) states >that the Aurora Project also goes by the code name of SENIOR CITIZEN. >Anyone verify/disagree with this statement? I have heard that name before, but I believe it was from someone who used to work for Lockheed on the F-117. I would tend to doubt that one was connected to "Aurora", but who knows... Of course the F-117 was primarily under the "Senior Trend" program, and the old Blackbird name was "Senior Crown"... Lotsa seniors out there. :-> >This column also describes an F-117A visit to an airshow at CFB, Comox >(Canada). ". . . six armed marine guards with the craft at all times . Hmmm... that's quite a few. I wonder if it has anything to do with it being in Canada? I remember it usually being just two of them. > " . . . security personnel painted the silhouette of an F-117A on >the tarmac . . . " for the benefit of sats passing overhead? Eh? What sort of benefit would that be? >Is this standard operating proceedure? I've never heard of that before. If I had to guess i'd say they were "marking" that an 117 had been there, just like one marks successful missions on the side of fighter/bomber aircraft. - -dean ------------------------------ From: Frank Henderson Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 08:39:19 CST Subject: Re: F-117A > From: "S.K. Whiteman" <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:WHITEMAN@IPFWVM> > Zel Eaton writes: > >This column also describes an F-117A visit to an airshow at CFB, Comox > >(Canada). ". . . six armed marine guards with the craft at all times . > >. ." " . . . security personnel painted the silhouette of an F-117A on > >the tarmac . . . " for the benefit of sats passing overhead? Is this > >standard operating proceedure? > The two times I've seen the 117A at Oshkosh, EAA convention, > I didn't notice any thing unusual painted on the ramp; but, > A/C are parked nose to tail with little open space. :-) > I suspect that this is a joke. Get it ..... stealth, only > the shadow knows...... :-() I have seen variations of jokes > on the on the stealth theme. > The guards are real.... > The time at saw it at Jax Naval base (Florida) they had a roped off area that followed the aircraft contours and left a 10 foot gap between the crowd and the aircraft. I don't remember how many guards it had, but they were armed with M16's. The announcer said not to even joke around near the a/c. He said the last people that tried that ended up face first on the ground or smashed up against the a/c with the butt end of an M16 :-). ------------------------------ From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 07:55:45 MST Subject: Re: F-117A Frank Henderson writes: >I don't remember how many guards it had, but they were armed with >M16's. The announcer said not to even joke around near the a/c. He said the >last people that tried that ended up face first on the ground or smashed up >against the a/c with the butt end of an M16 :-). Hmmm... If you could be garenteed the "against the a/c" scenairo, that might almost be worth it for such an up close and personal look at an operational F-117. :-) ------------------------------ From: "S.K. Whiteman" <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:WHITEMAN@IPFWVM> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 10:36:46 EST Subject: ON THE GROUND, SUCKER Frank Henderson writes: >M16's. The announcer said not to even joke around near the a/c. He said the >last people that tried that ended up face first on the ground or smashed up >against the a/c with the butt end of an M16 :-). Kind'a reminds me of the time I mistakenly drove my car on to the alert area at Loring AFB; it was at night, the area had been moved during the day, and it was snowing heavily. the only indication that I had that something was amiss; before the sky-cops found me, that is, was the radio antenna on my MG Midget hit something; it was the red rope... WOW, was the head sky-cop pissed.......no sense of humor. Something about 5 nuclear loaded B-52s made them nervous... In the final analysis it was no big deal. What do I know; | / MI I'm a geology major. \ /___________________ Sam ex 424X1 USAF 66-70 \_____/ | IBM Systems Programmer Chicago/ | * | O Indiana University - I | Ft. Wayne | H Purdue University at Fort Wayne L | 1794-1994 | Fort Wayne, Indiana USA ------------------------------ From: U-E68882-John Bloomberg Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 11:12:10 EST Subject: B1 stuff The C141 accident was reportd as a mid-air collision during a training accident. There are a number of A/C going over to the "Guard" (KC-135 mainly that I am aware of) so this may have been the case. I also had a C141 fly under my Delta flight over TX on Sunday..... wonder if this was one of the ill fated A/C? I also heard the B1 was out of Deyes (sp?), went down in TX and there may have been one survivor. Given the typical B1 flight plan or training exercise this was bound to happen. We had a B1 at Ellsworth that came back from a mission after hitting some ducks that was rather beat up. There were holes through the A/C into the cabin. Was there any discussion on the B1/KC-135 mid-air collision in this forum at the begining of the year? I was at Ellsworth when the Tanker touched down (with a big hole in it) at the time. Let me know if this has already been hashed out and I'll find out more on the B1. jb@geae ------------------------------ From: jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Clear) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 11:40:01 EST Subject: Re: guarding aircraft > > > Some of it is funny and some of it is not. Here is a reminder: > > Any time you go on a USAF *base*, you will generally find signs that > have a bunch of mumbo-jumbo about your being on a US military reservation, > etc. etc. > > At the bottom of the sign, often in big red letters: > > "USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED" > > This is something that should be kept in mind, and can be translated > as "don't screw around". > I unfortunatelly have experience with this. When I was at NY Wing Civil Air Patrol Solo Flight School at Niagara ANGB, myself and some other cadets made the mistake of walking out to our aircraft (a couple of cessna 172), in civilian clothes. Our planes where parked about 60 feet from some F-16's. The SP's made us to the whole routine of facedown, spreadeagle on the tarmac, with M-16's pointed at us until they checked our ID's. Not my idea of a fun time....... John - -- John `SpaceCadet` Clear -- jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, clearja@sage.cc.purdue.edu PP-ASEL C/LTC, CAP-NYW "When you think how well basic appliances work, it is hard to believe anyone ever gets on an airplane" -- Calvin and Hobbes ------------------------------ From: U-E68882-John Bloomberg Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 11:25:54 EST Subject: Hit the ground, part 2 At Ellsworth AFB the "sky cops" took great pleasure in shaking down those who go where they don't belong. Or, even greater pleasure shaking down those who belong but fail to display the proper ID in the proper place. More than a few times I saw some poor A1C with a knee in his back, face on sub zero concrete, M16 pointed at the head and other unflattering things being done to him because he crossed the wrong line. Interesting to hear about the F117 at Dayton and the idiot in the crowd. What year was that? I was there in '89 I think. I was taking some video of the F117 from the back of a C5 (both powered by GE engines) and the focus on my camera kept cycling from infinity to close up. I guess the focus uses ultrasonics to get the proper range??? Or in this case tried to. jb@geae ------------------------------ From: Tim Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 8:44:07 PST Subject: Re: F-117A > > > From: "S.K. Whiteman" <@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU:WHITEMAN@IPFWVM> > > Zel Eaton writes: > > >This column also describes an F-117A visit to an airshow at CFB, Comox > > >(Canada). ". . . six armed marine guards with the craft at all times . > > >. ." " . . . security personnel painted the silhouette of an F-117A on > > >the tarmac . . . " for the benefit of sats passing overhead? Is this > > >standard operating proceedure? > > The two times I've seen the 117A at Oshkosh, EAA convention, > > I didn't notice any thing unusual painted on the ramp; but, > > I suspect that this is a joke. Get it ..... stealth, only > > the shadow knows...... :-() I have seen variations of jokes > > on the on the stealth theme. > > The guards are real.... > > > The time at saw it at Jax Naval base (Florida) they had a roped off area that > followed the aircraft contours and left a 10 foot gap between the crowd and > the aircraft. I don't remember how many guards it had, but they were armed with > M16's. Hmm.. This got me to thinking about my visit to the Dayton Air Show at Wright-Pat AFB (1990), I couldn't recall seeing a single guard around it so I dug out my pictures of it and its hard to tell... it is fenced off about 5 ft from the craft but there are probably are 40+ people in my closest shot (AF people among them put they are carrying bags and taking pics so I don't think these are security)..could be on the other side of the plane tho. (for those who are always interested in tail #s: TR 37 TFW.) ------------------------------ From: tslage78@Calvin.EDU (Thomas Slager) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 13:00:59 EST Subject: F-117 I saw the stealth this year at two local airshows. It did not land though. In the program for the Muskeegan Airshow there is an interesting little item.. "Durring the planes performance, air traffic will be prohibited within a five mile radius of the airport. Planes in the area also will be prohibited from flying below 1,600 feet. . ." While this may reflect only safety rules since they probably couldn't track the plane on radar, sometimes I wonder if they just didn't want anyone to get a good look at the top. Durring his 5 flybys he never showed us the top. When The pilot did go knife edge, it was with the bottom facing the crowd. Another question... How acurate, materials and design, is the one in the Dayton Museum? - -- Little pieces of me keep breaking off, | tslage78@ursa.calvin.edu It hurts--but I am getting lighter..... | ------------------------------ From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 09:20:18 PST Subject: security procedures Frank Henderson said: The time at saw it at Jax Naval base (Florida) they had a roped off area that followed the aircraft contours and left a 10 foot gap between the crowd and the aircraft. I don't remember how many guards it had, but they were armed with M16's. The announcer said not to even joke around near the a/c. He said the last people that tried that ended up face first on the ground or smashed up agai nst the a/c with the butt end of an M16 :-). - ----------- Not that I'm an advocate of pain, but I'd tell a joke near an F-117 if they'd smash me up against it... 8-9 I'd consider it a fair trade. Rick ------------------------------ From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 09:25:20 PST Subject: C-141's The news here (Seattle) has been covering the midair since they are from McChord AFB in Tacoma. Apparently, following a successful night refueling mission, two C-141's from McChord tangled and did a death dance and spread themselves over eight miles of Montana. Search parties recovered some bodies last evening but continue the search at this time. Thirteen crewmen lost, no survivors. KC-135 from Fairchild AFB (Spokane, WA) not involved and returned to base normally. Please fly flags at half-mast... :-( Rick ------------------------------ From: Wayne Fiori Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 12:37:13 PST Subject: Re: Castle You wrote: > >For some reason I'd always thought of the plane being much larger, > >but the F-105 that is on display is about the same length and > >three times the height. Wow!! > > Well, hmmmm... Here are the general specs: > > _SR-71A_ _F-105D_ > Wingspan 55 ft. 7 in. 34 ft. 9 in. > Length 107 ft. 5 in. 64 ft. 4 in. > Height 18 ft. 6 in. 19 ft. 7 in. > Max TO wt. 170,000 lb. 52,840 lb. > > Castle definitley has SR #960, so I am really at a loss to explain how > a Thud could seem "three times higher", except that the SRs fuselage is > more "flat" and spread out. I don't suppose they could also have some > sort of mini-SR mock up on display there? :-> > I don't know... Maybe its having the landing gear down. All I know is that I could see a little of the cockpit interior from the ground (backs of the seats down to about chest height on the pilot) and the wings were at eye level (the tail IS tall) and the wings of the Thud were over my head (at least 7' from the ground). There is a definite visual difference. This was not a scientific, but rather a quick and amazed observation. > >By the way, there were two fins under the fuselage on the port side > >of the plane, what are these for? Any ideas? > > How large were these "fins"? There are some antennas that stick out > from the bottom. The YF-12 and SR-71B also have large ventral fins > on the lower-rear section of the engine nacelles. > Roughly 5" x 10" and the forward one was beneath the cockpit to the left of the center line (roughly even with the rear seat) and the aft fin was about mid ship. > > >Right now it's in a fenced off area, in lotsa pieces. > >The fuselage is in three pieces and the engines are stacked nearby. > Ouch... > It's not too bad the worst weather is in the summer with the high temperatures. The volunteers should have it together in a year probably. > >For those who would like to know where Castle is, it is in the > >San Jaoquin (sp?) valley > > Close! Joaquin. BTW, Castle is in Merced County, CA... Ooops. :) > > >A very nice museum all in all. > I'll have to try and get up there one of these days. > > One question, do they have the SR roped off, or what? > Any idea what the condition of the cockpit is? All of the aircraft have a two foot high chain surrounding the pad that they are perched on. The rear of the SR-71 hang over the chains so you can touch the tail surfaces though. Bring your on ladder I guess if you want to look into the cockpit, from long distance. ;) The voluteers that are there occasionaly to answer might be convinced to let you climb up if you ask REAL nicely. BTW there is a display already set-up for the "stealth" fighter since 1989: a good joke. > > -dean > - -- =============================================================================== |\//\\//\\//| Wayne R Fiori | e-mail: fiori@chemistry.ucsc.edu | |//\\//\\//\| Thimann Laboratories | Phone: (408)459-3390 [office] | |/\\//\\//\\| Chemistry Board, UCSC | (408)459-2935 [fax] | |\\//\\//\\/| Santa Cruz, CA 95064 | (408)459-4002 [message] | =============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: pjd@cadillac.siemens.com (paul j. drongowski) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:54:19 EST Subject: Mud I remember the mud bath at Dayton, too. There were definitely guards around the F-117. I got my best pictures of the F=117 there -- a good photography day. paul (pj) drongowski siemens corporate research princeton, nj 08540 ------------------------------ From: Geoff.Miller@Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 12:59:29 PST Subject: Re: F-117 tslage78@ursa.calvin.edu writes: >While this may reflect only safety rules since they probably couldn't track >the plane on radar, sometimes I wonder if they just didn't want anyone to get >a good look at the top. Durring his 5 flybys he never showed us the top. >When the pilot did go knife edge, it was with the bottom facing the crowd. That was definitely not a factor. There've been countless photographs showing the top of the F-117 published in both the enthusiast press and the mainstream media. In fact, I have a poster of the F-117 hanging on my office wall, which shows the aircraft's upper surface quite clearly. The bolt pattern outlining the attachment point for the portside radar reflector is clearly visible as well, just aft of the national insignia. These reflectors are installed when the planes are operating within the normal air traffic control system, so the examples you saw were probably visible to ATC. The restirctions on air traffic around the airport were probably the routine result of an aerial display being conducted, with the type of airplane giving the performance being immaterial. Geoff - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Sun Microsystems geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM + + + + + + + + Menlo Park, California - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- ------------------------------ From: Geoff.Miller@Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 14:14:34 PST Subject: ON THE GROUND, SUCKER Sometimes military security exists for its own sake, as a focus of pride for the security personnel and a way of demonstrating a no-nonsense, can- do attitude. When they took us out on the flight line for the first time during C-130 flight engineer school at Little Rock AFB, I, being an innocent Coastie unused to anything resembling real ramp security measures, carried along my pocket Instamatic in my flight suit. During a lull in the training activity after we'd been taught how to fuel the airplane, I took out the camera and casually took a picture of a nearby taxiing 130. (This particular plane caught my eye because it was the first one I'd seen in desert camouflage rather than the standard three-tone Vietnam-era pain. My instructor told me that he personally had no problems with my taking pictures, but not to let the sky cops see me, because I'd be arrested. "What the hell for?" I asked, incredulous. "These are only C-130s, hardly a top-secret type of airplane." He replied that he thought it was a bit silly himself, but that his theory was that the air police were concerned about potential unfriendlies getting an idea of the base layout. I let it go at that, but it still seems paranoid, seeing as how (a) LRAFB had been around for years, (b) it was no longer the home of any B-58 squadrons :^(, (c) there was no war going on (this was 1981) and (d) the place had undoubtedly been open to the public for airshows during that time. Geoff - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Sun Microsystems geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM + + + + + + + + Menlo Park, California - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- ------------------------------ From: Geoff.Miller@Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 14:25:27 PST Subject: Re: Hit the ground, part 2 jb@geae writes: >At Ellsworth AFB the "sky cops" took great pleasure in shaking down >those who go where they don't belong. Or, even greater pleasure shaking >down those who belong but fail to display the proper ID in the proper >place. When our line badges were issued just prior to the flight phase of our training at Little Rock, one of my USAF instructors told us about an overzealous newbie skycop at a remote base somewhere who arrested an entire arriving flight crew for posession of drug paraphernalia -- the alligator clips on their line badges, which bore an unfortunate resemblance to roach clips. I took the story with a fairly large grain of salt -- this was an Air Force master sergeant, after all* -- but I never forgot it, either. * One of thse guys also gave us a stern, straight-faced lecture, shortly after our arrival, about how we should be extremely wary of the base hospital at Altus (where the initial, non-aircraft-specific phase of our training was given). It seemed that an unfortunate blue-suiter had the wrong leg amputated, so they had to wheel him back into surgery to amputate the proper leg. He tried to sue for damages later, but was unsuccessful. He didn't have a leg to stand on. Geoff - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Sun Microsystems geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM + + + + + + + + Menlo Park, California - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- ------------------------------ From: Geoff.Miller@Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:16:07 PST Subject: T-tailed Mountain Magnet Duane writes: >As for the C-141s......the nickname was "The T-tailed Mountain Magnet". I >wonder if that comes close in this case. Does anyone know the origin of this nickname? Did it arise from any particular incident involving a -141 hitting a mountain, or is it just a general term of disparaging endearment? Geoff - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Sun Microsystems geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM + + + + + + + + Menlo Park, California - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V2 #18 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "listserv@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "skunk-works-digest" in the commands above with "skunk-works". 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