From: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V2 #28 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 13 December 1992 Volume 02 : Number 028 In this issue: Re: Excalibur? Washington Post Article Excalibur? Washington Post Article B-1B See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john@percy.rain.com (John Cavanaugh) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:05:32 -40962758 (PST) Subject: Re: Excalibur? > The B-1B from Rockwell is titled the Excalibur... this is from seeing > one up close and personal at an airshow at Westover AFB (MA) in > 1990... Oh, well, there is that one as well... - -- John Cavanaugh "There can be only one." ------------------------------ From: rbarton@who.cc.trincoll.edu (Ran Barton, III) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:52:54 -0500 Subject: Washington Post Article The last time someone posted an article, a great deal of discussion ensued as to the legality of forwarding copyrighted information. I do not recall any final outcome of that discussion, so I will apologise know if the following Washington Post article is out of line. I am including it here, apart from its obvious interest to this list, to atone for my atrocius typos of late. Regards, Ran ___________________________________________________ Plane Mystery Gains Speed, Hits 5,500 Miles an Hour By John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writer Mysterious rumblings in the California desert, staggeringly swift bright lights in the night skies over Nevada, a strange whooshing roar over Scotland and unex- plained entries on Lockheed Corp.'s financial books all have an explanation, some aerospace enthusiasts say: The United States is developing a supersecret spy plane. Defense Department officials have denied it for years, and members of Congress who presumably would know say it's not so. But there is a growing consensus in the subculture of mystery aircraft-watchers - not loonies who talk of Venusian visitations, but defense industry journal- ists, market analysts and engineers - that the Pentagon is testing a new gener- ation of ultra-fast aircraft that can travel up to Mach 8, eight times the speed of sound, or about 5,500 miles per hour. The world speed record is Mach 3.2. These scientists and obsessed individuals for years have trafficked in the latest news of sightings of things zooming around secret installations such as Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, puffs of smoke resembling "donuts on a rope" and word of radio transmissions to unknown craft landing in California. They even count cars in the parking lots of California defense contractors to devine whether a company's known projects could account for all the employees there. Now comes a new report in a defense industry publication throwing in with the speculators: Britain's Jane's Defence Weekly carried an article this week specu- lating that the U.S. Air Force has a secret fleet of new spy aircraft. This next-generation plane, according to the report, has a liquid-methane engine that is halfway between a rocket's and a jet plane's, costs $1 billion each and is a follow-on to the SR-71 Blackbird, a venerable spy-in-the-sky retired in 1990 after 28 years of service. The Jane's article, by veteran aviation writer Bill Sweetman, recounted an intriguing development: a British oil drilling engineer named Chris Gibson said that in 1989, while aboard a North Sea drilling rig, he spotted an arrowhead- shaped plane he had never seen before streaking across the sky. Gibson, an experienced aircraft observer, kept the sighting to himself until recently, when he sketched the mystery craft for Jane's. The drawing looks like others in Aviation Week and similar industry publications that for years have speculated there is a successor to the SR-71. Other experts say that if such a craft were indeed flying over the North Sea, it could buttress the idea that such a plane is "operational," meaning it has gone beyond the prototype and test stages. But some analysts point out that at the speeds at which the new plane is thought to fly, it would be difficut to restrict a test drive to U.S. airspace. A hypersonic trip from California to Japan would take only an hour, and nowhere on the planet would be more than three hours away. "A mysterious, fast-moving shape in the sky has been scaring sheep in the Mull of Kintyre (Scotland) and rattling windows in Los Angeles," said a July article in London's Sunday Telegraph asserting the existence of a new hypersonic air- craft. At night it visits a secure Scottish airfield guarded by U.S. Navy SEALs, "before stealthily streaking back to America across the North Pole," the paper said. Jane's said it believes the spy plane has been flying tests since about 1985 and has been operational since 1989. Air Force officials have denied such reports for years, with more pointedness than the "I-have-nothing-for-you-on-that" nondenial denials used in reply to queries about other classified subjects. "The Air Force has no such program, period," said Capt. Monica Aloisio, an Air Force spokeswoman. Yesterday she also denied a suggestion in Jane's that the Air Force would lie to cover up the secret plane. "Air Force public affairs doesn't knowingly participate in any disinformation programs," she said. But Sen. John Glenn (D-Ohio), a member of the Armed Services Committee who led congressional opposition to retiring the SR-71, said this week that the Pentagon's trickiness in denying secret programs over the years gives people pause. So with each flurry of reports like the one in Jane's, he calls the CIA and senior Defense Department officials "to make sure I wasn't being hung out to dry." "They answer me from all quarters there is no such program," Glenn said. "Everybody in CIA swears up and down there's no such program. I think they're telling me the truth." He said he used to wonder about those denials, because the Air Force's 1990 retirement of the SR-71 did not make sense. Air Force officials said satellites are more cost-effective for reconnaissance, but Glenn said planes such as the SR-71 are far superior. Spy planes, he said, are more maneuverable and can get to a target more quickly than satellites. Further, an adversary can often calcu- late when a satellite is making its once-every-few-hours sweeps and hide secrets on the ground. "The only way doing away with the '71 made sense," Glenn said in an interview this week, "was if you had a (spy plane) follow-on," which the Air Force has always denied. Glenn said he was also intrigued by the suggestion in the Jane's article that the supposed new plane is so secret that Defense Secretary Richard B. Cheney has designated it a "waived program," meaning only the chairmen and the ranking minority members of the House and Senate military committees would have been told of its existence. If true, Glenn is being kept in the dark by his own committee chairman, Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.). Glenn said he called Nunn's staff this week and was told Nunn has not misled him on the subject. Glenn said that under the Senate's "rules of engagement," a direct question to a colleague must be answered straight. There are other indications suggesting there is no new spy plane. In the 1991 Persian Gulf War, for instance, field commanders were distressed at what they believed was inadequate photo reconnaissance by U.S. satellites and the some subsonic spy aircraft. The Pentagon considered reactivating the SR-71, but rejected it, government officials said. "If they'd had this (new spy plane) operational," said William E. Burrows, author of a 1987 book entitled "Deep Black: Space Espionage & National Security" about space-based military projects, "they would have used it" in the gulf. Ernest Blazar, who is writing a book on the SR-71, said industry sources told him the Pentagon planned a second-generation Blackbird that died in 1990 when the SR-71 was withdrawn from service. John Pike, director of a space policy project for the Federation of American Scientists, a nonprofit research group that favors disarmament and opposes government secrecy, contends as do other nongovernment experts that secret airplanes may exist but may have multiple missions operating as, say, spy planes and spacelaunch vehicles. Speculation about a possible successor to the SR-71 heated up in 1984, when an entry in the defense budget mentioned a $2 billion, two-year "Aurora" project. Pentagon officials said it was not a spy plane, but journalists became suspicious when, a year later, "the Aurora line item vanished as mysteriously as it had first appeared," said a report by the Federation of American Scientists. Jane's still uses that name for the supposed project, but Blazar said if a new spy plane exists, it would be code-named "Senior Citizen." A number of Wall Street defense industry analysts have said for years they think Lockheed - which built the SR-71 - and other companies are involved in the spy plane business because Pentagon money going to the firms does not square with the aircraft work the companies acknowledge. A Lockheed spokesman referred questions about the matter to the Pentagon. Proponents of the spy plane theory also cite earth rumblings in southern California that some U.S. Geological Survey scientists have speculated are sonic booms caused by unknown aircraft. There have been eight such booms in the last 18 months, all on Thursdays between 6 a.m. and 7 a.m. In a 94-page report pub- lished in August, the federation said "a certain measure of agnosticism contin- ues to be appropriate" in discussing mystery aircraft. The report noted that in recent years, as the number of sightings of supposed secret Pentagon aircraft increased dramatically in the western United States, sightings of unidentified flying objects also rose there. Both groups of eyewitnesses typically cite bright lights in the sky or strange noises, the report said. "The number of reports (of mystery aircraft) and their consistency suggest that there may be some basis for these sightings other than hallucinogenic drugs," the report said. But it warned: "There is no exit from this wilderness of mirrors." ______________________________________________________________ || Ran Barton, III '93 | A year passes apace || || rbarton@who.trincoll.edu | and proves ever new; || || Trinity College | First things and final || || 300 Summit Street - Box 955 | conform but seldom. || || Hartford, CT 06106-3100 | -The Gawain Poet || ||_______________________________|__________________________|| ------------------------------ From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 17:24:51 PST Subject: Excalibur? Dean is right that Excalibur refers to a particular B-1B. As it happens, that's the one that landed on the lakebed here at Edwards after its nose gear wouldn't come down. It was really something to watch. We all went up to the roof when he was on final, after he'd done several low approaches to get a feel for the lakebed texture. Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot ------------------------------ From: rbarton@who.cc.trincoll.edu (Ran Barton, III) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:52:54 -0500 Subject: Washington Post Article The last time someone posted an article, a great deal of discussion ensued as to the legality of forwarding copyrighted information. I do not recall any final outcome of that discussion, so I will apologise know if the following Washington Post article is out of line. I am including it here, apart from its obvious interest to this list, to atone for my atrocius typos of late. Regards, Ran ___________________________________________________ Plane Mystery Gains Speed, Hits 5,500 Miles an Hour By John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writer Mysterious rumblings in the California desert, staggeringly swift bright lights in the night skies over Nevada, a strange whooshing roar over Scotland and unex- plained entries on Lockheed Corp.'s financial books all have an explanation, some aerospace enthusiasts say: The United States is developing a supersecret spy plane. Defense Department officials have denied it for years, and members of Congress who presumably would know say it's not so. But there is a growing consensus in the subculture of mystery aircraft-watchers - not loonies who talk of Venusian visitations, but defense industry journal- ists, market analysts and engineers - that the Pentagon is testing a new gener- ation of ultra-fast aircraft that can travel up to Mach 8, eight times the speed of sound, or about 5,500 miles per hour. The world speed record is Mach 3.2. These scientists and obsessed individuals for years have trafficked in the latest news of sightings of things zooming around secret installations such as Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, puffs of smoke resembling "donuts on a rope" and word of radio transmissions to unknown craft landing in California. They even count cars in the parking lots of California defense contractors to devine whether a company's known projects could account for all the employees there. Now comes a new report in a defense industry publication throwing in with the speculators: Britain's Jane's Defence Weekly carried an article this week specu- lating that the U.S. Air Force has a secret fleet of new spy aircraft. This next-generation plane, according to the report, has a liquid-methane engine that is halfway between a rocket's and a jet plane's, costs $1 billion each and is a follow-on to the SR-71 Blackbird, a venerable spy-in-the-sky retired in 1990 after 28 years of service. The Jane's article, by veteran aviation writer Bill Sweetman, recounted an intriguing development: a British oil drilling engineer named Chris Gibson said that in 1989, while aboard a North Sea drilling rig, he spotted an arrowhead- shaped plane he had never seen before streaking across the sky. Gibson, an experienced aircraft observer, kept the sighting to himself until recently, when he sketched the mystery craft for Jane's. The drawing looks like others in Aviation Week and similar industry publications that for years have speculated there is a successor to the SR-71. Other experts say that if such a craft were indeed flying over the North Sea, it could buttress the idea that such a plane is "operational," meaning it has gone beyond the prototype and test stages. But some analysts point out that at the speeds at which the new plane is thought to fly, it would be difficut to restrict a test drive to U.S. airspace. A hypersonic trip from California to Japan would take only an hour, and nowhere on the planet would be more than three hours away. "A mysterious, fast-moving shape in the sky has been scaring sheep in the Mull of Kintyre (Scotland) and rattling windows in Los Angeles," said a July article in London's Sunday Telegraph asserting the existence of a new hypersonic air- craft. At night it visits a secure Scottish airfield guarded by U.S. Navy SEALs, "before stealthily streaking back to America across the North Pole," the paper said. Jane's said it believes the spy plane has been flying tests since about 1985 and has been operational since 1989. Air Force officials have denied such reports for years, with more pointedness than the "I-have-nothing-for-you-on-that" nondenial denials used in reply to queries about other classified subjects. "The Air Force has no such program, period," said Capt. Monica Aloisio, an Air Force spokeswoman. Yesterday she also denied a suggestion in Jane's that the Air Force would lie to cover up the secret plane. "Air Force public affairs doesn't knowingly participate in any disinformation programs," she said. But Sen. John Glenn (D-Ohio), a member of the Armed Services Committee who led congressional opposition to retiring the SR-71, said this week that the Pentagon's trickiness in denying secret programs over the years gives people pause. So with each flurry of reports like the one in Jane's, he calls the CIA and senior Defense Department officials "to make sure I wasn't being hung out to dry." "They answer me from all quarters there is no such program," Glenn said. "Everybody in CIA swears up and down there's no such program. I think they're telling me the truth." He said he used to wonder about those denials, because the Air Force's 1990 retirement of the SR-71 did not make sense. Air Force officials said satellites are more cost-effective for reconnaissance, but Glenn said planes such as the SR-71 are far superior. Spy planes, he said, are more maneuverable and can get to a target more quickly than satellites. Further, an adversary can often calcu- late when a satellite is making its once-every-few-hours sweeps and hide secrets on the ground. "The only way doing away with the '71 made sense," Glenn said in an interview this week, "was if you had a (spy plane) follow-on," which the Air Force has always denied. Glenn said he was also intrigued by the suggestion in the Jane's article that the supposed new plane is so secret that Defense Secretary Richard B. Cheney has designated it a "waived program," meaning only the chairmen and the ranking minority members of the House and Senate military committees would have been told of its existence. If true, Glenn is being kept in the dark by his own committee chairman, Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.). Glenn said he called Nunn's staff this week and was told Nunn has not misled him on the subject. Glenn said that under the Senate's "rules of engagement," a direct question to a colleague must be answered straight. There are other indications suggesting there is no new spy plane. In the 1991 Persian Gulf War, for instance, field commanders were distressed at what they believed was inadequate photo reconnaissance by U.S. satellites and the some subsonic spy aircraft. The Pentagon considered reactivating the SR-71, but rejected it, government officials said. "If they'd had this (new spy plane) operational," said William E. Burrows, author of a 1987 book entitled "Deep Black: Space Espionage & National Security" about space-based military projects, "they would have used it" in the gulf. Ernest Blazar, who is writing a book on the SR-71, said industry sources told him the Pentagon planned a second-generation Blackbird that died in 1990 when the SR-71 was withdrawn from service. John Pike, director of a space policy project for the Federation of American Scientists, a nonprofit research group that favors disarmament and opposes government secrecy, contends as do other nongovernment experts that secret airplanes may exist but may have multiple missions operating as, say, spy planes and spacelaunch vehicles. Speculation about a possible successor to the SR-71 heated up in 1984, when an entry in the defense budget mentioned a $2 billion, two-year "Aurora" project. Pentagon officials said it was not a spy plane, but journalists became suspicious when, a year later, "the Aurora line item vanished as mysteriously as it had first appeared," said a report by the Federation of American Scientists. Jane's still uses that name for the supposed project, but Blazar said if a new spy plane exists, it would be code-named "Senior Citizen." A number of Wall Street defense industry analysts have said for years they think Lockheed - which built the SR-71 - and other companies are involved in the spy plane business because Pentagon money going to the firms does not square with the aircraft work the companies acknowledge. A Lockheed spokesman referred questions about the matter to the Pentagon. Proponents of the spy plane theory also cite earth rumblings in southern California that some U.S. Geological Survey scientists have speculated are sonic booms caused by unknown aircraft. There have been eight such booms in the last 18 months, all on Thursdays between 6 a.m. and 7 a.m. In a 94-page report pub- lished in August, the federation said "a certain measure of agnosticism contin- ues to be appropriate" in discussing mystery aircraft. The report noted that in recent years, as the number of sightings of supposed secret Pentagon aircraft increased dramatically in the western United States, sightings of unidentified flying objects also rose there. Both groups of eyewitnesses typically cite bright lights in the sky or strange noises, the report said. "The number of reports (of mystery aircraft) and their consistency suggest that there may be some basis for these sightings other than hallucinogenic drugs," the report said. But it warned: "There is no exit from this wilderness of mirrors." ______________________________________________________________ || Ran Barton, III '93 | A year passes apace || || rbarton@who.trincoll.edu | and proves ever new; || || Trinity College | First things and final || || 300 Summit Street - Box 955 | conform but seldom. || || Hartford, CT 06106-3100 | -The Gawain Poet || ||_______________________________|__________________________|| ------------------------------ From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:07:36 PST Subject: B-1B Oh yeah. I remember that one, CNN had it on the news live... didn't it? Naw, the Excalibur I'm referring to is supposedly the real name for the spy plane, and that Aurora is what they used to hide additional B2 funding. Could the reason the Air Force is denying they have a new supersecret spy plane because, like the A-12, it belongs to the CIA, not the USAF? Or the Navy? Both of these alternatives would let the Air Force say with a straight face "We don't have such a thing." Also, talked to my source today and he alluded to the Ex Mac/GD A-12 Stealth Attack still being actively developed. It is apparently, still being built. And supposedly, if you believe reports of delts (delta) shapes seen, it's already flying. I maintain that he's in a position to know. Rick ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V2 #28 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "listserv@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu". 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