From: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V3 #68 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 30 June 1993 Volume 03 : Number 068 In this issue: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Machine Design, 26 June Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993  subscription information Re: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 Re: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 Re: Yet Another... Re" Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I am the NRA Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 08:09:39 PDT Subject: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Machine Design, 26 June YAAA. Get the set. 8)>> Machine Design 25 June. (a good mag, in any case) cover article on the "mystery aircraft". As near as i can see, adds little to what we have discussed here. Good Summary, tho. A sidebar on "maybe its NOT there" and one on the skunkworks and one on the "secrecy" aspects. Artists conceptions, photos of SR71 (17876 & ?), map of Southern California "seismic oddities". Pic of A-12, sketch of NASP, sketch of A400. 6 pages. Discusses one of my pet theories, that the Aurora may be fast RPV. Also alludes to the probelms with making it radar stealthy, then flying it so fast that it glows hot on even simple IR scanners. regards dwp ------------------------------ From: George Allegrezza 29-Jun-1993 1131 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 11:33:19 EDT Subject: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 (YAAA copyright 1993 by Dave Pierson.) Sweetman has an article in the July AA, mostly recapping what we've discussed here in a single page, more or less. He's got an interesting slant on why the secrecy curtain is so tight. No technical details are provided. Sweetman is of course a believer. I'm looking forward to seeing his new book when it gets released (7/15/93). George George Allegrezza | Digital Equipment Corporation | "One hundred and four mph?" Littleton MA USA | -- my wife allegrezza@tnpubs.enet.dec.com | ------------------------------ From: hansen@eureka.austin.ibm.com (William Hansen) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 11:49:29 CDT Subject:   . ------------------------------ From: hansen@eureka.austin.ibm.com (William Hansen) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 11:54:47 CDT Subject: subscription information My account was moved to another internet host (this one), and I lost the internet address of the account at harbor.... which processes requests for subscriptions and unsubscriptions. If you have this address, I's sure appreciate it, for forwarding will not continue for long, I think. Thanks, __Bill__ ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 10:34:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 >Sweetman has an article in the July AA, ... >He's got an interesting slant on why the secrecy curtain is so tight. And that is? Larry ------------------------------ From: George Allegrezza 29-Jun-1993 1344 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 13:48:48 EDT Subject: Re: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 Larry Smith writes: >>Sweetman has an article in the July AA, ... >>He's got an interesting slant on why the secrecy curtain is so tight. >And that is? Any vehicle which can carry a 40K lb. recon mission package to hypersonic speeds and intercontinental ranges can probably do the same with a strike mission package. If so, the existence of Aurora-class vehicles, even a few, would blow the START regime all to hell, because they would (even potentially) represent a bueno nuclear strike system. And some of the secret vehicles, like the "XB-70" and the diamond shaped Mach 8 RPV, have a *very* great potential capability as penetrating or stand-off vehicles, assuming they exist more or less as described. In other words, we cheat(ed). George George Allegrezza | Digital Equipment Corporation | "One hundred and four mph?" Littleton MA USA | -- my wife allegrezza@tnpubs.enet.dec.com | ------------------------------ From: Rick Pavek Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 11:45:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Yet Another... From skunk-works-owner@ecn.purdue.edu Tue Jun 29 10:48:24 1993 Received: from harbor.ecn.purdue.edu by halcyon.com with SMTP id AA12412 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kuryakin); Tue, 29 Jun 1993 10:48:13 -0700 Received: by harbor.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA20420; Tue, 29 Jun 93 12:50:38 -0500 Received: from orchestra.ecn.purdue.edu by harbor.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA20413; Tue, 29 Jun 93 12:50:35 -0500 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by orchestra.ecn.purdue.edu (5.65/1.32jrs) id AA27372; Tue, 29 Jun 93 12:50:32 -0500 Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA29407; Tue, 29 Jun 93 10:50:28 -0700 Received: by us1rmc.bb.dec.com; id AA04854; Tue, 29 Jun 93 13:48:47 -0400 Message-Id: <9306291748.AA04854@us1rmc.bb.dec.com> Received: from tnpubs.enet; by us1rmc.enet; Tue, 29 Jun 93 13:48:48 EDT Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 13:48:48 EDT From: George Allegrezza 29-Jun-1993 1344 To: larry@ichips.intel.com Cc: skunk-works@orchestra.ecn.purdue.edu, allegrezza@tnpubs.enet.dec.com Apparently-To: skunk-works@orchestra.ecn.purdue.edu, larry@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 Sender: skunk-works-owner@ecn.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Status: R >Any vehicle which can carry a 40K lb recon mission package to hypersonic speeds >and intercontinental ranges can probably do the same with a strike mission >package. If so, the existence of Aurora-class vehicles, even a few, would blow While the implications of the delivery system might be true, would such a system _really_ be practical? I mean, you can basically take out a specific room on the third floor of a building with a conventional weapon as it is now... and it appears we are in a build-down mode on nukes. Maybe the system _could_ carry a weapon, but it'd _still_ have to slow down and open the doors to launch. Nah, I think that the information gathering is the primary and only mission. Ballistic missiles can still carry nukes faster... Rick kuryakin@halcyon.com ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 12:12:56 -0700 Subject: Re" Yet Another Aurora Article (YAAA): Aerospace America, July 1993 >>Any vehicle which can carry a 40K lb recon mission package to hypersonic speeds >>and intercontinental ranges can probably do the same with a strike mission >>package. If so, the existence of Aurora-class vehicles, even a few, would blow >While the implications of the delivery system might be true, would such >a system _really_ be practical? I mean, you can basically take out a >specific room on the third floor of a building with a conventional >weapon as it is now... and it appears we are in a build-down mode >on nukes. There has been prior talk about such hypersonic systems. >Maybe the system _could_ carry a weapon, but it'd _still_ have to slow >down and open the doors to launch. Several points: The 'bomb' could be the vehicle itself. Its advantage over a conventional delivery is the launchability from the U.S. and 'impact' within several hours anywhere on the earth. I agree this is a cost saving issue that hypersonic weapons system promoters have been using recently when arguing against yet another Naval carrier battle group, say. Also the speed of such a delivery helps guarantee its success. But of course, subsonic stealth proposes a different solution, but the overhead on delivery is higher. If the hypersonic vehicle will indeed slow down to launch, how much does it have to slow down? MIRV's are 'launched' quite effectively. Also when AW&ST researched the original concept that became 'the diamond', the general comments were that launch from the top side was 'interesting'. Larry PS: Remember the vehicle that 'flipped'. Look at Erik Simonsen's "This Is Stealth" book, near the end. ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V3 #68 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "listserv@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu". 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