From: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V4 #48 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 26 October 1993 Volume 04 : Number 048 In this issue: Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 subscribe Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 10:13:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 >From: Mary Shafer >Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 20:15:57 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Edwards AFB Open House [lots deleted] >The Thunderbirds cancelled... They cancelled out of the Wings over Houston airshow a week ago. What's the problem? bcnu - G (John Gladu) .Opinions are just that. Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine INTERNET: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu | VOICE: (713)798-7370 US MAIL: One Baylor Plaza, Houston, Texas 77030 "Vanna, I'd like to buy a diphthong." ------------------------------ From: Mary Shafer Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 12:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 Flight lead has a seriously bad back. They've cancelled every show for about a month now. Since they're always telling us that these are just regular aircraft with just (highly trained) regular pilots doing regualr maneuvers, I can't understand why they haven't replaced the lead by now. Surely a month would be long enough? Since they haven't, I assume that the problem isn't bad enough that they're sure that he won't fly, which is probably good news for him since he's DNIF only temporarily. Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com On Mon, 25 Oct 1993 jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu wrote: > >From: Mary Shafer > >Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 20:15:57 -0400 (EDT) > >Subject: Edwards AFB Open House > [lots deleted] > >The Thunderbirds cancelled... > > They cancelled out of the Wings over Houston airshow a week ago. What's > the problem? > > > bcnu - G (John Gladu) .Opinions are just that. > Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine > INTERNET: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu | VOICE: (713)798-7370 ------------------------------ From: megazone@WPI.EDU (MegaZone) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 Once upon a time Mary Shafer shaped the electrons to say... >about a month now. Since they're always telling us that these are just >regular aircraft with just (highly trained) regular pilots doing regualr >maneuvers, I can't understand why they haven't replaced the lead by now. That's a bit of an exageration. Diamond flight is NOT normal. And the lead is the keystone for the whole flight.... Remember when all four diamond Thunderbirds were killed because the lead made a mistake? the lead has to be right 100% of the time. They spend the entire off season getting to know each other's styles and rehersing. They start at altitude with a harddeck and perfect it before they fly near the ground. It takes a lot of hard training to get the precision necessary to fly the demonstrations they do, safely, and at low altitudes. The Air Force won't take the risk for two major reasons: Safety of the pilots. Safety of the audience. Plus the political ramifications if a crash did happen, remember the crash in Germany by the Italians. They may be normal aircraft, and are apart from smoke systems, and they are normal, albeit hight experienced, pilots flying normal manuevers. But they are flying them at abnormal altitudes and in abnormal formations. Loops are normal. It isn't normal to fly a loop in a diamond formation in close formation bottoming out a hundred feet or less off the ground. Which I've seen them do. It takes more than skill, it takes a lot of trust, and that trust takes time to develop. - -- megazone@wpi.wpi.edu megazone@world.std.com megazone@hotblack.schunix.dmc.com "I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity. Use your mind, think!" Moderator: WPI anime FTP site, 130.215.24.1 /anime, the anime FanFic archive; rec.arts.anime.stories, questions to anime-dojinshi-request@wpi.wpi.edu GTW d-- -p+ c++(++++) l u+ e+ m+(*)@ s++/+ !n h- f+ !g w+ t+@ r+@ y+(*) ------------------------------ From: "DAN DEANGELIS" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 16:08 EDT Subject: subscribe subscribe skunk-works@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ From: Sean D. F. Sullivan Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 19:56 CDT Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V4 #47 > >Once upon a time Mary Shafer shaped the electrons to say... >>about a month now. Since they're always telling us that these are just >>regular aircraft with just (highly trained) regular pilots doing regualr >>maneuvers, I can't understand why they haven't replaced the lead by now. (stuff deleted) > >They may be normal aircraft, and are apart from smoke systems, and they >are normal, albeit hight experienced, pilots flying normal manuevers. I know I'm being really picky here but I was under the impression that the Thunderbirds also used a modified breather element in the oil tank of their engines (F100-PW-220s) in order to allow for extended inverted flight time. Did anyone see the recent NATO Science and Society newsletter that suggested that Lockheed's Skunk Works will serve as the new research paradigm for US research policy? I deleted my copy by mistake. Sean Sullivan University of Wisconsin-Madison> ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V4 #48 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "listserv@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent to either "skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu" or, if you don't like to type a lot, "prm@ecn.purdue.edu". 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