From: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V4 #56 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 6 November 1993 Volume 04 : Number 056 In this issue: only a small test Secrecy Oversight Council Secrecy Oversight Council address New AURORA model HIT of Chicago Toy Show This Week! Non-existent plane makes national radio news Re: New AURORA model HIT of Chicago Toy Show This Week! Article in Salt Lake Tribune about 4,000 acre land grab @ Groom Lake Groom Lake pic Re: Article in Salt Lake Tribune about 4,000 acre land grab @ Groom Lake Re: Not much going on in the list. See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sp2stes1@ida.his.se (Stefan "Stetson" Skoglund) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 10:17:10 +0100 Subject: only a small test Only a small test. Very little activity on the list... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund I "Viggen | i tiden *)" sp2stes1@ida.his.se I | University of Skoevde, Sweden I _____/0\_____ - --------------------------------I ____________O(.)O___________ I -+- O -+- I *) Viggen with two Rb04 ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthew Guslick Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 09:36:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: Secrecy Oversight Council Hi, all. The Secrecy Oversight Council's new catalog is out. If anyone doesn't know what the SOC is, here's what the catalog says: "Secrecy Oversight Council is a private research and publishing company promoting openness and reasonable public oversight in government. Curently, we are specializing in Federal land use and rumored military projects in Southern Nevada. Although we are a taxable entity, profit is not our goal. Our prices are intended only to reimburse our costs and support our continued research." The catalog isn't extensive, but the stuff in it is neat. An Area 51 Viewer's Guide, USGS Maps, Newsclipping portfolios, an upcoming patch for Groom Lake, Bill Sweetman's new book _Aurora_, and of course, Jim Goodall's Photomural of Groom. As someone else just said, there's not a lot of activity on the list lately. Maybe this will help. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Guslick / ^ \ USnail: 711 Hwy. C NAR #53962 ---(.)==<-.->==(.)--- Grafton, WI 53024 michaelg@csd4.csd.uwm.edu SR-71 Blackbird ph.: (414) 377-4428 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIBERATE GROOM LAKE ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthew Guslick Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:28:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Secrecy Oversight Council address <<>> Greetings The SOC catalog sounds great. Could you post an address or phone number through which it can be acquired? I'm sure posting it to Skunkworks would please many. M. Henderson(mike@blitzen.gvg.tek.com) <<>> Sorry about that! Here's the address fo the SOC (Glenn Campbell, director) Secrecy Oversight Council HCR Box 38 Rachel, NV 89001 I'm sending in my order today! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Guslick / ^ \ USnail: 711 Hwy. C NAR #53962 ---(.)==<-.->==(.)--- Grafton, WI 53024 michaelg@csd4.csd.uwm.edu SR-71 Blackbird ph.: (414) 377-4428 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIBERATE GROOM LAKE ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 10:11:04 -0800 Subject: New AURORA model HIT of Chicago Toy Show This Week! The Testors AURORA model is out I guess. Yesterday Phil caught the tail end of a radio interview with John Andrews, the chief aircraft model designer at Testors. This interview was evidently on NPR via his local NPR affiliate in Lafayette IND, at around noon. I listened around noon out here in OR to my local NPR affiliate, but no joy. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised to find coverage of the Chicago Toy Show at the end of the 11 O'clock news on our local ABC affiliate last night. The big announcement was the new Testors AURORA models. They teased the audience with some video of them before going to a final commercial, which gave me time to fire up my VCR. These models are quite nice looking! They showed all three nicely built-up models in color. The XR-7, the XR-7 + SR-75, and the in flight SR-75 model that's been out for a few months now. Definitely a high neat-looking coefficient! They mentioned that Testors had correctly predicted the existence and certain attributes of the Stealth Fighter and now they were predicting the existence of this aircraft (they didn't mention that Testors also correctly predicted the shape of the U-2 back long ago - in fact Kelly Johnson asked them to hold off production of the model which they did until Gary Powers was shot down). They mentioned the Pentagon said such a thing (the AURORA) doesn't exist but they indicated that they said that last time as well. They also indicated that it was amusing that a toy company should have such a good record predicting super secret spy planes! One thing that should prove interesting is analyzing the XR-7 design for it's hypersonic correctness (at M < 10 say) as well as its low speed for landing properties. Perhaps after those of us that are interested can get our hands on these things we can discuss this. Maybe Charles (you know who you are) can get the hypersonic design goup he's involved with to give us their opinion as well! Maybe some of the other guys on this list who are involved with hypersonics (you know who you are) can give us their impressions as well. One area I've personally started with is comparing the XR-7 design with a known Mach 6+ actual design (like maybe the X-15A-2) and the lessons learned from flying such a design at Mach 6+. Larry ------------------------------ From: "JOE P." Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1993 14:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Non-existent plane makes national radio news Date: Fri, 05 Nov 93 12:45:14 MST Subject: Article in Salt Lake Tribune about 4,000 acre land grab @ Groom Lake I just heard of and subscribed to this list, but I posted the newspaper article mentioned in the Subject: to rec.aviation.military. If you don't read that group, or missed the article and want to read it, just let me know and I can either repost it to this list or send it to you individually. Also, I scanned the accompanying photo that went with the article (the first photo I've ever scene in the press that actually showed the base at Groom Lake) and placed it in the FTP area. I have notified the maintainer of the area so that he can move it to the pics directory. If you can't wait that long, you might want to check alt.binaries.pictures.misc where I just posted it as well. Further, if you can't do either FTP or Usenet, I can e-mail you a copy of the picture (its 3 messages in JPEG format). GroomLake.jpg 130281 1500x655 (Color) -- Rich - -- Between stimulus and response is the will to choose. ------------------------------------------------------------------ IRC: _Rich_ Rich Thomson Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com Fractal Freak ------------------------------ From: "Philip R. Moyer" Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1993 14:44:07 EST Subject: Groom Lake pic The picture Rich mentioned in the previous mail is in /pub/skunk-works/pic/A51/GroomLake.jpg on harbor.ecn.purdue.edu. Philip R. Moyer Bits: prm@ecn.purdue.edu Engineering Computer Network Voice: 317-494-3648 Unix Operating Systems Group Fax: 317-494-6440 ------------------------------ From: Rich Thomson Date: Fri, 05 Nov 93 14:24:55 MST Subject: Re: Article in Salt Lake Tribune about 4,000 acre land grab @ Groom Lake In message <9311051945.AA05671@mesa.dsd.ES.COM> Rich Thomson writes: > Also, I scanned the accompanying photo that went with the article (the > first photo I've ever scene in the press that actually showed the base > at Groom Lake) and placed it in the FTP area. Just thought that I should mention that this is not a scan of the printed newspaper. I bought a print of the photo from the paper and scanned the print directly. You can make out individual buildings, roads, etc. -- Rich - -- Between stimulus and response is the will to choose. ------------------------------------------------------------------ IRC: _Rich_ Rich Thomson Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com Fractal Freak ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 14:44:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Not much going on in the list. There is actually more that can be discussed. In the latest issue of Intercepts, that many people received this week, Steve Douglass published a frame from a video that he believes is of the TR-3A. This video was taken near Roswell Airfield in New Mexico during war games earlier this year. The video shows a front profile of an aircraft that shows no detail, but its shape is very similar to a B-2. When the aircraft turned its planform didn't match the B-2's planform. Also there is an account of an aircraft that landed at White Sands with tail no. 803 that was referred to as the STF by the security and maintenance channels at that airbase. Later that same day there was a showing of that aircraft for the security people at that base and then for someone named "The Chief". The roads in the area of White Sands were closed down during this 'showing' (this is done frequently at WSMR during launches as well). There is also a column by Glen Campbell of "Area 51 Viewers Guide" fame as well in this issue. Nothing new to report except that there is a map of where Freedom Ridge is, as well as other sites (only the ones to the east of Groom seem to be shown on this map). The map is a repro of the actual USAF map used to request more land from the BLM. Maybe the USAF didn't try to lock away the northern sites under the Groom runway! We're trying to get Steve Douglass himself, now that he has Net access, to post a summary of the first two subjects himself. If we can't get that, then someone else will post a more detailed summary of both incidents. Larry ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V4 #56 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "listserv@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent to either "skunk-works-digest-owner@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu" or, if you don't like to type a lot, "prm@ecn.purdue.edu". 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