From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #55 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 5 April 1994 Volume 05 : Number 055 In this issue: Re: Californians need not apply! Russian Stealth Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #54 Applicable Postings Re: Applicable Postings Appropriate topics for the mailing list Re: Applicable Postings Californians need not apply! (fwd) Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #54 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dunne@dolphin.cig.mot.com (Jim Dunne) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 08:32:51 CDT Subject: Re: Californians need not apply! Back in my cleared days (my 5-year renewal is about to expire), my favorite completely lucid item that you could be denied for or have your clearance pulled for, was "notoriously disgraceful behavior". Wonder if that's the official euphemism for "total a**h**e" ??? J. Dunne -- Moto Cellular. ------------------------------ From: Partel Roos Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 13:04:10 eet Subject: Russian Stealth One friend of mine ( In Russian AF) noted me that russian stealth named Mig XX1 is almost ready to take off. The plane's size is something between F-117 and B-2. He thinks it's a tactical bomber. Has enyone heard of it ? ------------------------------ From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 08:57:34 PDT Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #54 > From: TRADER@cup.portal.com > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 94 11:35:08 PDT > Subject: Californians need not apply! > > Just for a bit of humor... > > I'm surprised that so many people from California have security clearances. > Among other reasons, DOD directive 5220.6 lists the following conduct > that can cause the loss or denial of a security clearance: Very humorous. I wonder, though, if anyone else on this list questions the appropriateness of this posting, as well as other postings on national security, on the skunk-works mailing list. I am interested in skunk-works progeny. I am *not* interested in security clearances, land grabs, political activism on black government programs, etc. I wonder if there are enough people interested in this sort of subject matter to start a separate email list. I would not object to occasional pointers here, to advertise the other list (ooh, you could call it the "black" list!) I just don't care for dilution of the skunk-works list with non-skunk-works issues. This is just one person's opinion. If I'm out of line with the rest of the group, I'll just grin and bear it. ...Russ ------------------------------ From: Rick Pavek Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 10:35:20 -0700 Subject: Applicable Postings Ah, this issue crops up again. I guess it will as long as it's a mailing list instead of a usenet group. I guess it's most annoying because there's no way to make a kill file with a mailing list. :) Personally, because of the nature of the beast, I find postings about Any company's black project (aircraft or otherwise), security regulations, conspiracy, technical advancements, foreign technology and bases upon which any of this could occur are always welcome. I've always looked at this as more of a social group instead of a rigid and descrete channel. Stick my vote for the wide interpretation of the charter. Thanks, Rick ------------------------------ From: dadams@netcom.com (Dean Adams) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:34:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Applicable Postings Rick says... >Personally, because of the nature of the beast, I find postings about Any company's black project (aircraft or otherwise), security regulations, conspiracy, technical advancements, foreign technology and bases upon which any of this could occur are always welcome. Ditto! :) In particular, i'd say that the subjects in question, "Groom land grabs" and "security regulations", etc. are quite Skunky and very appropriate for this list. Especially when we seem to be having a lull of "Aurora" et al type news. :) - -dean ------------------------------ From: smith@bart.dsd.northrop.com (Dick Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 13:40:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Appropriate topics for the mailing list rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp) comments about recent postings: > Very humorous. I wonder, though, if anyone else on this list questions > the appropriateness of this posting, as well as other postings on > national security, on the skunk-works mailing list. I don't see any clear line for the division, and I'd guess that MOST are interested in both sub-topics. Although I wish the stupid clearance jokes would think twice before posting... I think everyone with a clearance has already heard them. Inappropriate for this list (heard in the company cafeteria): This morning we've heard that Northrop will buy Grumman for $62 a share. We haven't heard yet that the new combined company will be called "Norman". Then, Rockwell will.... Appropriate for this list: Some of us are kinda hoping that it's Lockheed. That would make a nifty monopoly on all kinds of stealth technology. That probably means it won't happen. Of course, at my level, I have NO IDEA. - -- Dick Smith smith@ast.dsd.northrop.com Software Unit Manager home: dick@smith.chi.il.us Northrop ESD ------------------------------ From: megazone@wpi.edu (MegaZone) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 16:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Applicable Postings Once upon a time Rick Pavek shaped the electrons to say... >Personally, because of the nature of the beast, I find postings about >Any company's black project (aircraft or otherwise), security regulations, >conspiracy, technical advancements, foreign technology and bases upon which >any of this could occur are always welcome. I like the wide interpretation of the charter. There is only so much information on black aircraft, and msot of it is specualtion that has been bantered about here and on groups before. The information on security and other black fields ads a new dimension to the discussion. And, in general, the people on the list are intelligent and well spoken, not somehting I can say about most newsgroups. - -- megazone@wpi.wpi.edu megazone@world.std.com megazone@hotblack.schunix.dmc.com "I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity. Use your mind, think!" Moderator: WPI anime FTP site, 130.215.24.1 /anime, the anime FanFic archive; rec.arts.anime.stories, questions to anime-dojinshi-request@wpi.wpi.edu GTW d-- -p+ c++(++++) l u+ e+ m+(*)@ s++/+ !n h- f+ !g w+ t+@ r+@ y+(*) ------------------------------ From: zoz@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Ton of Dirt) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 11:46:34 +0930 (CST) Subject: Californians need not apply! (fwd) |> Financial Matters: |> 4. A history or pattern of living beyond the person's financial |> means, or ability to pay, a lifestyle reflecting irresponsible |> expenditures that exceed income or assets. ... |> Drug Abuse: |> 1. Abuse of cannabis [marijuana]. ... |> Sexual Misconduct - The conduct involves: ... |> g. Conduct that involves spouse swapping, or group sex orgies. |> |> [and the list goes on and on...] Does this mean that Bill Clinton can't get security clearance? :) :) :) - -- ______ _____________ ______________________ ______ /\####/\ / / / / /\####/\ / \##/ \ /_______ / / _ ______ / / \##/ \ /____\/____\ / / / / \ \ / / /____\/____\ \####/\####/ / /____\ \_/ / / /_______ \####/\####/ \##/ \##/ / / / / \##/ \##/ \/____\/ /_____________________/ /____________/ \/____\/ zoz@cs.adelaide.edu.au ------------------------------ From: Jamie Aycock Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 23:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #54 On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, Russ Schnapp wrote: > > Among other reasons, DOD directive 5220.6 lists the following conduct > > that can cause the loss or denial of a security clearance: > > Very humorous. I wonder, though, if anyone else on this list questions > the appropriateness of this posting, as well as other postings on > national security, on the skunk-works mailing list. > > I am interested in skunk-works progeny. I am *not* interested in > security clearances, land grabs, political activism on black government > programs, etc. > > I wonder if there are enough people interested in this sort of subject > matter to start a separate email list. I would not object to > occasional pointers here, to advertise the other list (ooh, you could > call it the "black" list!) I just don't care for dilution of the > skunk-works list with non-skunk-works issues. > Couldn't agree more... Jamie > > ...Russ ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #55 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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