From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #95 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Monday, 30 May 1994 Volume 05 : Number 095 In this issue: Re: See it and not kill it? For amateur spies... (Project NEON AZTEC) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: C Smith Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: See it and not kill it? On Sat, 28 May 1994, murr wrote: > BaDge writes: > > > TITLE Air Force Admits Enemies Can Detect Stealth Bomber.--News. > > SOURCE Boston Globe: Nov 2, 1989, 9:1 > > LENGTH Medium (6-18 col inches). > > ABSTRACT The US Air Force has announced that systems and technology > > exist to detect the B-2 Stealth bomber on enemy radar but that enemies will > > not be able to destroy the plane. The announcement is the latest in a > > series that continue to pare back previous claims for the aircraft. > > I remember reading this item when it came out. How can this be? Does the > enemy say: > > "That's on of those REAL expensive B2 planes. Let's not destroy it."? > > If you can see it you can shoot it. A subsonic plane that big would be a > fat target. Better part of a giga buck bites the dust. Just speculating here, but I think it means that you can get a faint return off of the B-2, but not enough for a solid missile lock. Just send up an interceptor for a couple gun passes. > Why are we still > making `the plane without a mission'? > Haven't you heard? Warner Brothers is secretly funding part of the B-2 program, so that they can have the exclusive movie rights to use them in Batman 3. A much better targetting system than that Batwing in the first movie. Even equipped with neato jamming equipment and CDs that can be moved back and forth like records. :^) - -- | | Curtis Smith "We should develop anti-satellite weapons ___|_0_|___ University of Washington because we could not have prevailed with- -U^o^U- brafox@u.washington.edu out them in 'Red Storm Rising'." D. Quayle ------------------------------ From: TRADER@cup.portal.com Date: Sun, 29 May 94 17:25:53 PDT Subject: For amateur spies... (Project NEON AZTEC) WARNING NOTICE - INTELLIGENCE SOURCES OR METHODS INVOLVED (WNINTEL) About Project NEON AZTEC ________________________ NEON AZTEC is the code-name of a project I'm starting to provide information on the "sources and methods" that can be used to learn about secret U.S. military programs. I realize the risk I am taking by publicizing this information -- the U.S. government could decide to close off these sources. Why am I providing this information? The American taxpayers have a right to know where their money is being spent, and the "sources and methods" given in NEON AZTEC can help locate secret U.S. military programs. NEON AZTEC information will be available by subscription and will appear at irregular intervals. Among the topics that will be covered in future issues are: maps, obtaining government and military documents, and satellite and aerial photography. Subscription requests for NEON AZTEC and comments on the material can be sent by electronic mail to: TRADER@cup.portal.com Or, if you have printed material you would like me to post, you can send it by postal mail to: Paul McGinnis P.O. Box 28084 Santa Ana, CA 92799 USA Given the nature of this material, all correspondence and the mailing list itself will be kept private, unless you explicitly specify otherwise. Issues of NEON AZTEC will be sent from my secondary ID, trader@shell.portal.com . If you have really sensitive material you want to share, my PGP public encryption key is at the end of this message. Back issues of NEON AZTEC will be available for anonymous FTP download from: ftp.shell.portal.com (IP address 156.151.3.4) in the directory: /pub/trader/secrecy/neon-aztec My FTP site is new (it started April 1994), and contains material on excessive government secrecy, including back issues of Glenn Campbell's writings (such as the "Groom Lake Desert Rat") in: /pub/trader/secrecy/psychospy (Glenn Campbell is the author of the "Area 51 Viewer's Guide" and is the maestro on the subject of the secret Air Force facility at Groom Lake, Nevada) So, what does NEON AZTEC mean? Since real U.S. military programs have strange code-names, such as SEEK CLOCK, CLASSIC LIGHTNING, or CAVALRY, that are referred to with all capital letters, I've decided to create my own code-name in their format. (NEON AZTEC has no intrinsic meaning). 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