From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #101 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 5 June 1994 Volume 05 : Number 101 In this issue: RE: Doughnuts on a Rope!! Doughnuts On A Rope!!! External Combustion Black Aircraft RE: Doughnuts on a Rope!! RE: Doughnuts on a Rope!! fact, fiction, possibilities See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Pavek Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 00:25:31 -0700 Subject: RE: Doughnuts on a Rope!! Ah, not the Aerospike. The PWDE engine... Pulse Wave Detonation Engine... or did I get that backaswards? PDWE? Pulse Detonation Wave Engine? One of the two... ignore the wrong one. Question is... what are they sending it up for? My vote is they're looking at the Russians in Bosnia. :} Rick kuryakin@halcyon.com ------------------------------ From: corpsnut@isumataq.eskimo.com (Cathy Doser) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 00:42:58 -0700 Subject: Doughnuts On A Rope!!! I just wish I had that camera!!! I have called the Northwest rep for AvWeek, and left a tantalizing tidbit for him, so that he would call back. Maybe he will! /\ //\\ |||| | | /| |\ __________________________________________________ / | | \ ___ | Cathy Doser * Blackbird, A Novel _/^\ | | /^\_ | | P.O. Box 69271 * Coming in 1995 / | | | | | | \ | | Seattle, WA 98168 * A story of time travel / | \ | | / | \ | | corpsnut * and the creation of the / | | | | | | \ | | @eskimo.com * plane before its time! \----| |---\/---| |----/ | |_______________________________________________________________________| | corpsnut@eskimo.com CathyD2 AOL 70515,544 Compuserve | |_______________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ From: Frank Markus Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 08:11:49 -0400 Subject: External Combustion Black Aircraft Has there been anything more reported about the aircraft which was described in Aviation Week at the same time that they described the Aurora aircraft. This aircraft was described as using its flat body as the bottom surface and its high speed shockwave as the outer surface of a virtual rocket chamber into which fuel was sprayed and ignited. The pressure of the combustion on the aircraft and its shockwave drives the aircraft forward. I seem to recall that in the article, the aircraft was described as being black and stinking of kerosene on the ground. ------------------------------ From: John Regus Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 10:22:39 -0500 (CST) Subject: RE: Doughnuts on a Rope!! What for Rick? i.e. looking at what the Russians are doing in Bosnia? All we need to do is ask nowdays. Remember the Russians are getting ready to come to this country on joint military man. Fellow skunks... I don't know if you have the same ominous thoughts that I do but I firmly believe that all hell is getting ready to break loose on the Korean pen... and those poor GIs on the DMZ are going to pay dearly. Pray that this thing is resolved without a war. John F. Regus | (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING WUI:REGUSHOU | On Sat, 4 Jun 1994, Rick Pavek wrote: > > Ah, not the Aerospike. > > The PWDE engine... Pulse Wave Detonation Engine... > or did I get that backaswards? PDWE? Pulse Detonation Wave Engine? > > One of the two... ignore the wrong one. > > Question is... what are they sending it up for? My vote is they're looking > at the Russians in Bosnia. :} > > Rick > kuryakin@halcyon.com ------------------------------ From: John Erling Blad Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 19:54:58 +0200 Subject: RE: Doughnuts on a Rope!! Forget Bosnia, think Korea. Perhaps a couple of others to on the same route. John ------------------------------ From: John Erling Blad Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 20:50:34 +0200 Subject: fact, fiction, possibilities > Has anyone heard of guards or patrollers or the like using any of these?:- > (1) Small submersible craft (either a mini sub, or a lighter-than-water >craft that can get up speed and then duckdive for a short time) equipped with >a grab or suction or scoop or net device to catch attacking frogmen or any >other unauthorized or unidentified submerged divers. There are a number of such, JSOC (or something like that (I gess it reads like Joint special Operations Command.. not shure if this is the right one..)) have initiated studys of the usefullness (what a lang..) of them for Navy SEALS. The goal as I remember is to deliver the team dry at (or on) the shore. Or if possible further inland. If i'm not completly in error there are 5 or 6 designs, none especially fast. Theyre not equiped to catch frogmen, more of a kind of underwater bus. > (2) Aimable powerful underwater ultrasound gun (I saw these mentioned in a >book written by a man called Diole' who dived with Cousteau.), handheld (by >diver or overside) or hull-mounted. Underwater ultrasound can be dangerous. It >is lucky that the 1939-1945 war did not cause underwater ultrasound technology >advance to the extent of such ultrasound guns getting into general use by >small-boat inshore fishermen as weapons against seals and sharks that damage >nets, and thus all too handy to stop in its tracks the 1960's mass sport diver >invasion of shellfishing areas in the time when inshore fishermen kept >complaining about scuba divers taking shellfish. Such things exist but all references I have seen are for operations in air. There are one rumor I picked up about a diver killed in the gulf (No Saddam, you can't get Kuwait) when someone turned on a powerfull deepseasonar. > (3) Underwater loudspeaker to warn submerged unidentified or unauthorized >divers to "surface and identify yourselves or we fire / take action". The last one I talked to says it's not needed. First they throw out some small fireworks, then they throw out what's needed. They have what's needed. How does he know? Well, he were in the wrong place.. Not very interessting since he dive from a boat and was easy to detect. Later there was another which wouldn't be detected so he swim out from the shore. He don't surfaced when they use the firework. This story ended with the local guards confiscating his equipment and some other minor charges. Ended up at 5000$. > (4) Toughened diving gear for patrol craft's crew (ref (5) below): Kevlar- >reinforced rubber in diving suits and in rubber parts of breathing sets. Light >small rebreathers for maximum agility and speed: bag and tubes toughened; >tubes kept close in to the body and not in long trailing loops, reinforced >with interlocking hard rings to prevent cutting and squeezing; with the >minimum of projecting parts to snag on nets or cause hydrodynamic drag; safety >helmet and hard smooth rounded fullface mask. I don't have the slightest clue. For an opponent there is no need to move fast as anything moving fast is likely to be detected in high security areas. That is because of doppler shifts in the sonar returns. Yes there are sonars made explicit to detect divers in such environments. If anyone is interested I can get some info. > (6) I have seen electrical anti-frogman devices mentioned in newspapers as >perhaps mounted on hulls of warships. > These may be to protect naval etc bases, or anything underwater liable to >theft or poaching, or simply for controlling for the sake of controlling, in >these days of common public availability of frogman kit. What about youre own litle underwater rocket battery? Hecler & Kock make one. This one is not for fishing.. Or a Kalashnikov for underwater use, shoots small nice arrows.. There are also this nice Spetsnaz knife which shoots the blade 4 inches into a tree if the rumors are correct. Can't be 4 inches the blade only travels 30 meters. Perhaps I shall check it out again. 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