From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #110 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Friday, 17 June 1994 Volume 05 : Number 110 In this issue: FTP Site China Travel National Cryptologic Museum Re: National Cryptologic Museum nsa Re: National Cryptologic Museum [none] See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dougt@u011.oh.vp.com (Doug Tiffany) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 7:50:24 EDT Subject: FTP Site Could someone please give me the FTP address for the Skunk-Works? - -- Douglas J. Tiffany (dougt@u011.oh.vp.com) Varco-Pruden Buildings Northern Division Van Wert OH. (419) 238-9533 ------------------------------ From: wege@s1500.bc.PeachNet.EDU (Tony Wege) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:32:07 EDT Subject: China Travel Hi, I know this is off topic but.... I will be traveling to Nanjing Normal University in Nanjing China for a few weeks this fall. I would appreciate any travel tips from anyone who has been in this region. Thanks, Tony repy to: wege@s1500.bc.peachnet.edu ------------------------------ From: Frank Markus Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:04:26 -0400 Subject: National Cryptologic Museum On page A14 of today's (6/14/94) Wall Street Journal there is a fascinating article by Bob Davis about the NSA's National Cryptologic Museum. I would like to visit. But Mr. Davis's directions are a bit skimpy. He also says that the museum may open for weekends this summer. Before I go, I would like to get as much information as possible. I assume that it is possible to contact the NSA via the Net (!!!!) but given the nature of that agency, I have been unable to locate and E-mail address for them. (Of course, they know where _I_ am -- but that is a somewht different thing!) So, does anyone have an address for the NSA? The museum is reported to have ten Enigma machines including one that permits visitors to type on it. It also has parts of a Japanese Purple machine. There is an exhibit about the Navajo 'code talkers' in the Pacific in WWII. A highlight is a replica of the wooden great seal given to US Ambasador Harriman by the Russians in 1946 which was activated when the Russians flooded the room with low energy electicity thus avoiding the necessity of providing the bug with an energy source and keeping it from radiating energy. The flag of the spy ship 'Liberty' which was sunk by the Israelis is also on display as is a Cray computer. There is a replica of a 1980s-era code room where visitors can encode messages and print them out as souvenirs. Films on encryption history are shown and there is even a reading room in which declassified information is available. The directions given in the article are that you take a 40 minute drive from downtown Washington to the Route 32 East exit of the Baltimore-Washington parkway. Then you follow small signs marking the way "but you have to keep alert or you'll miss a turn." The museum is described as being housed in a "dreary old motel building surrounded by a barbed wire fence just down a rutted road from [the NSA]." Hence my desire for better directions. The current museum hours are weekdays only 9 a.m to 3 p.m with the possibility of Saturday hours latter this summer. ------------------------------ From: nickless@mcs.anl.gov (Bill Nickless) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 18:13:42 -0500 Subject: Re: National Cryptologic Museum At 05:04 PM 6/16/94 -0400, Frank Markus wrote: > The directions given in the article are that you take a 40 >minute drive from downtown Washington to the Route 32 East >exit of the Baltimore-Washington parkway. Then you follow >small signs marking the way "but you have to keep alert or >you'll miss a turn." The museum is described as being housed >in a "dreary old motel building surrounded by a barbed wire >fence just down a rutted road from [the NSA]." Hence my desire >for better directions. The current museum hours are weekdays >only 9 a.m to 3 p.m with the possibility of Saturday hours >latter this summer. I stopped in there about three weeks ago on my way back to BMI (Baltimore-Maryland International airport?) from a meeting I attended in Washington DC. The only directions I needed were the signs on the Baltimore-Washington parkway that clearly said "National Cryptological Museum" on them. Once off the highway it was only about 5 minutes to the museum itself, and the signs are pretty good. My only regret is that my schedule didn't permit me to stay longer. All the things you mention in your note are there, well preserved, clearly labeled, etc. My recommendation is for anyone passing through to plan an hour or more if possible. - -- Bill Nickless nickless@mcs.anl.gov +1 708 252 7390 ------------------------------ From: "Frank Schiffel, Jr." Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 18:30:36 CDT Subject: nsa Its probably out towards Ft. Meade Maryland. There is a public affairs office at the NSA. As far as I know, all the material up to 1945 is declassified and in the National Archives, so if you want to do research, you have to go that route. I do have an address of a publisher in California that specializes in declassified crypto stuff, as well as the journal Cryptologia out of Indiana. There was a National Intelligence Book Store out of DC, but that seems to have been taken over by others who have a good newsletter out. As is usual in specialized fields, good stuff goes out of print fast. regards, frank ------------------------------ From: epiwrl!parker@uunet.uu.net (Alan Parker) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 18:55:32 EDT Subject: Re: National Cryptologic Museum It's easy to get to. Just take BW parkway south from Baltimore or North from DC to MD 32. This the road into Ft. Meade that one takes to get to NSA. Take 32 East (toward the Fort) and turn left before entering the Fort. There is a sign. If you get to the NSA entrance, you went too far. All this is within only a couple of hundred yards or so. I think there is a Shell station at the road to take. ------------------------------ From: skunk-works-digest-owner@gaia.ucs.orst.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 10:54:19 +0800 Subject: [none] ***** UNDELIVERABLE MAIL sent to carltonm, being returned by marsh!root ***** mail: Error # 2 'Problem with mailfile' encountered on system marsh Received: from gaia.UCS.ORST.EDU by marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au with SMTP id AA07472 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 17 Jun 1994 02:23:32 +0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gaia.ucs.orst.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id AAA11445 for skunk-works-digest-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 00:01:05 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gaia.ucs.orst.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id AAA11430 for skunk-works-digest-send@mail.orst.edu; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 00:01:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 00:01:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199406110701.AAA11430@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> From: skunk-works-digest-owner@gaia.ucs.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #105 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu Sender: skunk-works-digest-owner@gaia.ucs.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 11 June 1994 Volume 05 : Number 105 In this issue: Doughnuts on a rope (again and again) SAS Update Re: NEON AZTEC So Long For Now US Military Aircraft Serial/Identification Numbers See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "john (j.m.) clarke" Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:26:00 -0400 Subject: Doughnuts on a rope (again and again) I hate to burst the myth of the doughnuts on a rope contrail, but I spotted one over my house here in Ottawa. I couldn't see the plane that made it, and I was hopping mad. That is, I was hopping mad until I realized that I saw another plane coming towards me (B-747) making the exact same contrail! Just shortly after that there was another one (I live under a fairly busy traffic lane to YYZ). I've seen the original picture, and all of these contrails looked exactly the same. Must have been some strange crosswinds... John jclarke@bnr.ca - ------------------------------ From: zoz@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Night Mission) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 02:59:56 +0930 (CST) Subject: SAS Update Hey, is anyone here familiar with the e-mail update on DC-X and SSTO called 'Space Access Society Update' and run by a guy called something like Henry Vanderbilt? I used to get it every week or so, but I seem to have gotten desubscribed, so I was wondering if anyone remembered the request address so I could try and resubscribe myself. I seem to remember Russ mentioning it here before, am I mistaken? Thanks, - - -- ______ _____________ ______________________ ______ /\####/\ / / / / /\####/\ / \##/ \ /_______ / / _ ______ / / \##/ \ /____\/____\ / / / / \ \ / / /____\/____\ \####/\####/ / /____\ \_/ / / /_______ \####/\####/ \##/ \##/ / / / / \##/ \##/ \/____\/ /_____________________/ /____________/ \/____\/ zoz@cs.adelaide.edu.au - ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Nanis" Date: Mon, 6 Jun 94 15:14:52 -0400 Subject: Re: NEON AZTEC Well, folks, count me in. I'm on his subscription list. I see nothing wrong with reading other people's speculations on programs I may know nothing about. Think of me as a guinea pig. If anyone I work for DOES care what I read and I get slammed for it (and I've gotten "cautionary" notices for posting without thinking in the past), I will be sure to let you know. If on the other hand, I continue to occasionally send innocuous, tecnical, non-programmatic e-mail and posts (mostly to sci.military), rest assured, my civil liberties (and yours) and my job security have not been infringed upon. Chill, people. I think there's a little too much self-generated paranoia floating around. Anyone who cares to discuss this with me off-line, send e-mail or snail mail or phone. Jeff Nanis 9 Hamlin Street Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 497-9265 Jeff Nanis MIT Lincoln Laboratory - ------------------------------ From: Bruce Henderson Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 13:35:31 -0700 Subject: So Long For Now I have really enjoyed hangin with all of you... But I just fell victim to a layoff.... I will be back. In the mean time if anyone needs to E-Mail me Bruce Henderson <73163.1122@CompuServe.COM> is where I will be Bruce - ------------------------------ From: The Space Wastrel Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 22:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: US Military Aircraft Serial/Identification Numbers I realize that this is a little off-topic but this list is the only real contact I have with the military aviation world. I'd be happy to receive answers directly through email. A friend of mine (without Internet access) is interested in the serial or identification numbers of all US military aircraft, that is USAF, USN, USMC, USCG and the U.S. Army. He knows that the USN and USMC assign sequential numbers to their aircraft on a one-up basis and that the USAF and Army allocate serial number against fiscal years. He has fairly complete lists up to 1985 but would like to know: a) Where he could lists of serial numbers for 1986 to the present b) If there is a way he can subscribe or otherwise regularly receive updates to the lists. Thanks for your help. TSW #######################The Space Wastrel in Washington####################### At scenes of slayings, wailing girlfriends and wives in maternity clothes try to break through police barricades, and young women with small children grab at body bags. At funerals, pregnant young women fling themselves on coffins, wailing in sorrow. ######################The Washington Post, 10 June 1993###################### - ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #105 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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