From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #140 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 20 July 1994 Volume 05 : Number 140 In this issue: Re: NIGHTHAWK! Re: NIGHTHAWK! Re: NIGHTHAWK! Re: NIGHTHAWK! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Regus Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:16:45 -0500 (CST) Subject: Re: NIGHTHAWK! AFNEWS Kelly AFB dated 14 July 94 states the AirForce has officially declared the name of the f117 to be the nighthawk. Sorry, but I erased the news item. It is available via usenet for individuals who have tin access via their service provider from the shell prompt. P.S. AFNEWS stated that the name had originally been tagged for a Sikorsky helicopter. I will try to re-pull the news item and forward to all rec. Regards, John F. Regus | (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING WUI:REGUSHOU | On Tue, 19 Jul 1994, Per Danielsson wrote: > John Regus wrote: > >I don't think that is right about the pilots thinking the 117 is all that > >stable of an aircraft... not that it is unsafe, rather it has weird > >performance characteristics... I'll have to dig through my grab bag of > >comments on the plane's performance characteristics and the comments made > >about it by its pilots... But I think I am right on this one... it was the > >pilots who gave it the name "Wobblin' Goblin." > > In an interview published in "F-117 Stealth in action" Steve Paulson > told Jim Goodall that the name might be referring to how the aircraft > behaves outside its envelope: > > Jim: Is there a reason for the name ["Wobbly Goblin"; attributed > to an article in Aviation Week]? > > Steve: The only thing they may be alluding to is that if it > departs, it departs in a real weird mode and they may call it the > "Wobbly Goblin." > > Apparently the pilots didn't call the F-117A the Wobbly Goblin > regularly, since later in the interview Jim Goodall asks the following > question: > > Jim: Is the F-117A called the Nighthawk? > > Steve: Yes. > > The interview was made in August 1989 so obviously the name wasn't > official, but it hints at what the airplane was called by its crews. ------------------------------ From: mangan@Kodak.COM (Paul Mangan) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 07:56:40 EDT Subject: Re: NIGHTHAWK! I vaguely recall the name Whispering Death which I believe was given to the F117 by the Iraqi Army. PM > From skunk-works-owner@gaia.ucs.orst.edu Tue Jul 19 01:17:32 1994 > Subject: Re: NIGHTHAWK! > To: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) > Cc: skunk-works@gaia.ucs.orst.edu > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 2016 > Sender: skunk-works-owner@gaia.ucs.orst.edu > X-Lines: 45 > > > In an interview published in "F-117 Stealth in action" Steve Paulson > > told Jim Goodall that the name might be referring to how the aircraft > > behaves outside its envelope: > > > > Jim: Is there a reason for the name ["Wobbly Goblin"; attributed > > to an article in Aviation Week]? > > > > Steve: The only thing they may be alluding to is that if it > > departs, it departs in a real weird mode and they may call it the > > "Wobbly Goblin." > > I always remembered the name Wobbly Goblin from Clancy's second > book, "Red Storm Rising", which included his idea of what the stealth > fighter was like and how it would have been used in a NATO-Warsaw Pact > war in Central Europe. I didn't think there was any sort of factual > info behind that name. Clancy also called the stealth fighter the F-19 > in the book. > > > Apparently the pilots didn't call the F-117A the Wobbly Goblin > > regularly, since later in the interview Jim Goodall asks the following > > question: > > > > Jim: Is the F-117A called the Nighthawk? > > > > Steve: Yes. > > > > The interview was made in August 1989 so obviously the name wasn't > > official, but it hints at what the airplane was called by its crews. > > Well, from way back I remember listening to a local radio > station, KGO in the SF Bay Area, during the build-up to the Desert > Storm. The radio station had sent one of their reporters to Saud and > he was stationed at an air base where the stealth were being operated > from. I distinctly remember him mentioning to me that people at that > base (could be the Saudis or the US pilots) coined an Arabic name for > the F-117. It roughly translated in the "Ghost Shadow" or "Ghost > Whisper" or something like that. Can't quite remember because this > was a while ago. Anyone else heard of this before? The report's name > was Greg Jarret (sp?), I think. He was also a pilot which is probably > whey they sent him to cover the war. > > -- > Terry Yeung \ Internet: terryy@crl.com > Anime Expo '94 Registration Supervisor \ Expo: reg@anime-expo.org > > ------------------------------ From: Robin John Lee Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 12:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: NIGHTHAWK! On Tue, 19 Jul 1994, Paul Mangan wrote: > I vaguely recall the name Whispering Death which I believe was > given to the F117 by the Iraqi Army. "Al Shabah", or something very similar. Actually, I think it might have been given by the Saudis in close proximity to an F-117A staging airbase. The name was quickly appropriated by several writers of technothriller fiction, at least. (Does this remind anyone of how 'HABU' got stuck to our favorite black bird?) Regards, Robin J. Lee (amraam@uclink.berkeley.edu) ------------------------------ From: megazone@world.std.com (MegaZone) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 23:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NIGHTHAWK! Once upon a time John Regus shaped the electrons to say... >AFNEWS Kelly AFB dated 14 July 94 states the AirForce has officially >declared the name of the f117 to be the nighthawk. Sorry, but I erased >the news item. It is available via usenet for individuals who have tin >access via their service provider from the shell prompt. >P.S. AFNEWS stated that the name had originally been tagged for a Sikorsky >helicopter. I will try to re-pull the news item and forward to all rec. >Regards, I believe it was posted here already. The article was posted to sci.military too I believe, and possibly rec.aviation.military. It was originally used as the name for the HH-60 special operations / SAR version of the UH-60 Blackhawk. 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