From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #154 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 20 September 1994 Volume 05 : Number 154 In this issue: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #153 Re: Desert Blackbirds France's Stealth Ship Desert Blackbirds & Photo Archive Re: France's Stealth Ship and Stealth and the U.S. Navy Re: France's Stealth Ship and Stealth and the U.S. Navy Re: France's Stealth Ship and Stealth and the U.S. Navy Stealth Stealth and Anti-stealth Re: Stealth and Anti-stealth Re: Stealth and Anti-stealth FY 1995 classified programs list now available High-tec See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: isus!hoyt@news.primenet.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 19:20:00 GMT Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #153 From: markj@orion.convex.com (Mark Jones) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 13:16:32 -0500 Subject: Maybe the Air Force ... Maybe the Air Force should consider using Cessna 172s for their new stealth aircraft. It worked for getting Mathias Rust into Moscow and now some yahoo planted his next to the White House. FAA said they didn't see his plane flying over the White House. P.S. Big :-) for the humor impaired. The 172 also got the first photo of the steath bomber behind the curtains, flown by an aviation leak person. :-). Hoyt A. Stearns jr.|hoyt@isus.stat.| International Society of Unified Science| 4131 E. Cannon Dr. | .com OR | Advancing Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal | Phoenix, AZ. 85028 |enuucp.asu.edu!| System- a unified physical theory. | voice 602 996-1717 |stat.com!wierius!isus!hoyt_______________________________| ------------------------------ From: John Regus Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 07:52:23 -0500 (CST) Subject: Re: Desert Blackbirds I see that you are a definte creature of "high" fashion, Mary. Riding RIO on that F4, the least they could have done for you is to give you a couple of sidewinders. Regards, John F. Regus | (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING WUI:REGUSHOU | On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Mary Shafer wrote: > I don't remember him taking one, so you'll just have to make the trip! > > If anyone wants to see what I look like, there's a gif on spdcc.com. It's > in pub/motss.pix/m/mary_shafer.gif and you can get it by anonymous ftp. > No one who reads this mailing list will have any difficulty identifying > the aircraft, I think. > > Regards, > Mary > > Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com > > Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard > Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end.... > > > On Mon, 12 Sep 1994, John Regus wrote: > > > Is Mary's picture in there? If not, then I will be going out that way in > > the near future... maybe Mary and I can have a group portrait...with her > > hands around my neck.... > > Regards, > > > > John F. Regus | > > (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING > > WUI:REGUSHOU | > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 1994, Paul Rak wrote: > > > > > > > > A quick note to watch for the October 1994 issue of _Flying_ (it's got > > > a Corsair on the cover), in which Peter Garrison's Technicalities > > > column is entitled "Desert Blackbirds." He talks about some of the > > > history of the Blackbird, and a variety of the technical aspects (what > > > a surprise, considering the column's name), describes viewing a > > > takeoff and landing, and a simulator ride. He mentions that his host > > > at NASA Dryden was the SR-71 Program's Chief Engineer, Mary Shafer... > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > pjr > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: John Regus Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 07:56:56 -0500 (CST) Subject: France's Stealth Ship Paris, France "Who owns the planets stealthiest operational warship? Not the United States-the Sea Shadow (see P.S. p.28, 28 July 93, 'America's Invisible Warship') is merely a testbed. The French have snuck up on the world with the frigate *La Fayette*. The 410-ft. vessel is a 'tour de force' for signature reductio.' The superstructure leans inward 10 degrees to reduce radar echoes. It's constructed largely of fiberglas, coated with radar-absorbing material. Capstans and other deck gear lie concealed. Below decks, the four diesel engines hang suspended and fitted with noise-reducing equipment. Nothwitstanding this squeaky clean profile, the *La Fayette* can deliver a nasty punch. Standard equipment includes a 100mm gun, eight sea-skimming Exocet missles and a Crotale SAM launcher. Displacing 3500 tons, the vessel is reported to steam at 25 knots (not top speed, my note). France has plans for six of these ships to be put to sea. Quoted from PM,9.94 John F. Regus | (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING WUI:REGUSHOU | ------------------------------ From: joeh@towel.wpd.sgi.com (Joe Heinrich) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 10:42:35 -0700 Subject: Desert Blackbirds & Photo Archive There's also a photo archive on: http://www.dfrf.nasa.gov/Dryden/Photos.html - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Series Research Aircraft (Photo Index - 200 KBytes) X-1E on stand (EC88 0138-1) (61 KBytes) X-3 (EC 413) (56 KBytes) X-5 (EC 411) (53 KBytes) X-4 (E-358) (48 KBytes) X-15 on ramp (ECN 897) (39 KBytes) Sunburst & X-15 Contrail (EC65 0884) (43 KBytes) X-15 (EC88 180-1) (31 KBytes) X-15 & F-104 landing (EC88 180-9) (37 KBytes) X-15 with SCRAMJET above landscape (EC88 0180-2) (49 KBytes) X-15 with SCRAMJET over clouds (ECN 1731) (39 KBytes) B-52 & X-15 from distance (EC88 0180-4) (51 KBytes) X-15 under B-52 wing (ECN 885) (46 KBytes) X-24A (ECN 2006) (42 KBytes) X-24B (ECN 4642) (49 KBytes) X-29 (ECN 33297-2) (58 KBytes) X-29 (EC89 127-4) (35 KBytes) X-31 (EC93 42152-8) (20 KBytes) XB-70 (E 16694) (51 KBytes) F Series Research Aircraft (Photo Index - 168 KBytes ) F-8 DFBW (ECN 3312) (41 KBytes) F-8 SCW Painting (EC92 07074-1) (48 KBytes) F_15 (EC88 84-14) (51 KBytes) F-15 ACTIVE (EC93 42025-10) (58 KBytes) F-15 ACTIVE (EC93 42025-3) (19 KBytes) F-15B (EC93 42061) (14 KBytes) AFTI F-16 (EC92 10061-10) (56 KBytes) F-16XL (EC93 01214-12) (40 KBytes) F-16XL-2 (EC91 646-1) (42 KBytes) F-18 HARV (EC92 10231-1) (31 KBytes) F-18 HARV (EC88 95-3) (41 KBytes) F-18 HARV with vectored thrust (EC91 75-38) (30 KBytes) F-104 (EC92 01093-5) (46 KBytes) F-111 TACT (ECN 3945) (55 KBytes) F-111 MAW (EC85 33439-2) (50 KBytes) Space Shuttle (Photo Index - 74 KBytes ) Columbia Landing (ECN 16042) (46 KBytes) Shuttle & 747 with sunrise (ECN 25865-7) (60 KBytes) Shuttle & 747 front shot (EC91 221-8) (47 KBytes) Shuttle & 747 in flight (EC89 65-1) (40 KBytes) Shuttle & 747 at take-off (EC90 129-11) (48 KBytes) Shuttle & 747 over desert (ECN 6879) (42 KBytes) Lifting Bodies (Photo Index - 80 KBytes ) M2-F1 (ECN 225) (48 KBytes) M2-F1 & Pontaic (EC92 04152-2) (52 KBytes) M2-F3 & B-52 (ECN 2774) (35 KBytes) HL-10 on lakebed (ECN 2064) (47 KBytes) HL-10 with B-52 flyover (ECN 2203) (52 KBytes) Lifting Bodies (ECN 2358) (47 KBytes) Lifting Bodies (ECN 2359) (45 KBytes) Other Vehicles (Photo Index - 286 KBytes ) Aircraft on ramp at Dryden (EC90 280-1)(73 KBytes) AD-1 (ECN 15857) (56 KBytes) B-52 & Dragchute (EC90 262-2) (58 KBytes) B-52 with DAST (ECN 11690) (34 KBytes) PEGASUS & B-52 (EC89 309-3) (36 KBytes) C-47 (ECN 18423) (46 KBytes) CV-990 on taxiway (EC92 07173-1) (50 KBytes) CV-990 taking 0ff (EC92 12221-2) (41 KBytes) D-558-1 (E 713) (53 KBytes) B-29 & D-558-2 (E56 2478) (31 KBytes) F-18s in formation (EC90 269-3) (36 KBytes) HiMAT on lakebed (ECN 12055) (56 KBytes) HiMAT in flight (ECN 14281) (40 KBytes) JETSTAR (ECN 20293) (42 KBytes) JETSTAR (ECN 15655) (35 KBytes) LLRV (ECN 448) (64 KBytes) PA-30 & RPV (ECN 17864) (52 KBytes) PARASEV (E 7914) (65 KBytes) PARASEV (E 8013) (21 KBytes) SR-71 over mountains (EC92 09241-1) (33 KBytes) SR-71 over mountains (EC92 09241-2) (58 KBytes) SR-71B (EC91 372-13) (25 KBytes) SR-71 from rear (EC91 372-6) (29 KBytes) SR-71s on ramp (EC92 07013-4) (44 KBytes) People (Photo Index - 59 KBytes ) Ken Szalai (EC91 601-1) (46 KBytes) Hugh L. Dryden (E 37913) (59 KBytes) Daniel Goldin (EC92 07271-1) (53 KBytes) SR-71 flight crews(EC91 608-5) (78 KBytes) Dryden Places (Photo Index - 118 KBytes ) Lakebed (EC91 166-5) (46 KBytes) Aerial shot of old Facility (E-1361) (67 KBytes) Aerial shot of Facility (EC88 51-14) (71 KBytes) Main Building at Dryden (EC91 485-1) (54 KBytes) Mate-Demate Facility (EC81 14769) (69 KBytes) Aerial view of Mate-Demate Facility (ECN 14961) (69 KBytes) Mate-Demate Facility with Shuttle & 747 SCA (ECN 20138) (43 KBytes) Mate-Demate Facility with Shuttle & 747 SCA & Moon (ECN 20137) (41 KBytes) --Joe --Joe - --- End of forwarded mail from joeh@towel.wpd.sgi.com (Joe Heinrich) - -- Joe "Joe" Heinrich Tales of Silicon Valley {Internal access only, unless you can bust the firewall} Flatland: joeh@sgi.com Rotary dial: 415.390.4347 DTMF:SameAsAbove BLM Locator:Building8Lower SnailMail:MS/535, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mt. View, CA 94043 Kill all smileys :> ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 14:33:34 -0700 Subject: Re: France's Stealth Ship and Stealth and the U.S. Navy John F. Regus writes: >Paris, France >"Who owns the planets stealthiest operational warship? Not the United >States-the Sea Shadow (see P.S. p.28, 28 July 93, 'America's Invisible >Warship') is merely a testbed. The French have snuck up on the world with >the frigate *La Fayette*. Yes. If you haven't had a chance yet to read Ben Rich's story of trying to sell stealth to the U.S. Navy, you really need to get out there and buy the latest Popular Science (the one with the D-21 coming at you on the cover). The full story is in Ben's book which is due out next month, but the Popular Science extract is most interesting - I read it last night! Ben tells the story of how they discovered that the F-117A also worked in the acoustic ranges, and how that led the Skunk Works to design a VERY stealthy peoposal for the U.S. Navy, for a Stealth Submanine! Later the Skunk Works put together a proposal for a Stealth Aircraft Carrier that had the RCS of a rubber dingy, and then later of course, the Sea Shadow. Ben reveals how the Sea Shadow actually got built, and he also reveals the results of the U.S. Navy's mock attacks at night against the Sea Shadow. In short, it seems like our U.S. Navy has some 'vision' problems - you'll want to read this story! I can just see the review of Ben's book in the Naval Institute Press! This is sad to me because I like submarines too, after all they're like airplanes and space ships! Anyway, it sounds like the French Navy has been paying attention! Ben also reveals in the book that the Germans and French are working on an anti-stealth missile to shoot down the F-117A. Interesting! Larry ------------------------------ From: BaDge Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 18:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: France's Stealth Ship and Stealth and the U.S. Navy On Thu, 15 Sep 1994 larry@ichips.intel.com wrote: > > Yes. If you haven't had a chance yet to read Ben Rich's story of trying to > sell stealth to the U.S. Navy, you really need to get out there and buy > the latest Popular Science (the one with the D-21 coming at you on the Ditto, great cover, even if it is an artist's rendition. What do you make of the strange twin probes on the front of the D-21? They look like antennae. > Later the Skunk Works put together a proposal for a Stealth Aircraft > Carrier that had the RCS of a rubber dingy, and then later of course, Yep, and as you know, Ben mentioned that he quietly put the Stealth ACC proposal away amid all the early criticism, saying it looked like some sort of new age pyramid. I have seen a few of the photos of the French ship. Very cool. Uses the 'faceting' approach. Several photos over the last year in Jane's Defense Weekly review, or whatever that magazine is called. > Ben also reveals in the book that the Germans and French are working on > an anti-stealth missile to shoot down the F-117A. As I've conjectured before, it seems to be the custom not to reveal something like stealth until they are already at the next higher development level. Had they not revealed the F117A then I doubt if anyone would know to build countermeasures, eh? They may be wasteful, but the USAF isn't given to giving away their edge. Why would our allies be working on an anti-stealth anyhow?? As I mentioned in my original post on this topic, Ben says we still have stuff the other guys don't have that may even be 20 years old. The mind boggles, hehe. BaDge ------------------------------ From: edh@tc.umn.edu Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 22:20:34 -0500 Subject: Re: France's Stealth Ship and Stealth and the U.S. Navy From the darkest depths of Mordor, baj7d@galen.med.virginia.edu ["Re: France's Stealth Ship and Stealth and the U.S. Navy"] said: > > Ben also reveals in the book that the Germans and French are working on > > an anti-stealth missile to shoot down the F-117A. > > As I've conjectured before, it seems to be the custom not to reveal > something like stealth until they are already at the next higher > development level. Had they not revealed the F117A then I doubt if > anyone would know to build countermeasures, eh? They may be wasteful, > but the USAF isn't given to giving away their edge. Why would our allies > be working on an anti-stealth anyhow?? To sell it to our non-allies. - -- We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved. Eric D. Hendrickson Damnit! I can't stop the heterocyclic declination! Central Computing Services University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, USA I came to confess. *I* was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.... Eric.Hendrickson-1@umn.edu 612/626-7761 ------------------------------ From: "Robert H. Tullman" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 08:39:01 -0400 Subject: Stealth larry@ichips.intel.com writes: >Ben also reveals in the book that the Germans and French are working on >an anti-stealth missile to shoot down the F-117A. >Interesting! I thought another interesting tidbit from the Pop Sci interview with Ben Rich was the reaction of the Soviets to Stealth Technology..seems they decided it wasnt worth pursuing since they only had to worry about countering 2 US SAM systems (HAWK and PATRIOT) vs. the 16 or so that the Soviets have deployed, that the US has to worry about. ------------------------------ From: Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stealth and Anti-stealth In the last _AW&ST_, Sep. 12, on page 27 is a small article: "STEALTHY MIG TO FLY SOON" Farnborough Flight testing of Mikoyan's MiG-1.42, which resembles the Lockheed Boeing F-22, will begin in a matter of "days," according to the head of the Russian air force. Col. Gen. Peter S. Deinekin said the aircraft will enter service with the Russian air force in 3-5 years. "We will fly this aircraft well into the next century." Rostislav Belyakov, head of the Mikoyan Design Bureau, said his organization is working on aircraft designs similar to the F-22, Rafale and Eurofighter. "We will try not only to keep pace with them but overtake them." He said the project is well advanced and the aircraft is undergoing testing. The aircraft has twin tails and a blended body much like the F-22, as well as special surface materials and shaping to improve its stealth characteristics. Belyakov has stressed the need to sustain funding for new prototype aircraft to the senior Russian political leadership. The Russian air force currently operates more than 500 MiG-21s, 400 Su-27 Flankers and 600 MiG-29s. Deinekin said the biggest effort this past year has been focused on maintaining the quality of the air force. "We have 11,000 Russian air force pilots but only 3,050 aircraft," he said. "So it is impossible to maintain the proficiency of all our pilots." AS A RESULT, the Russian air force is maintaining flight training for a pool of pilots equal to the number of aircraft available. "The rest do not fly," he said. These pilots continue ground training instead. In terms of exports, Belyakov said the first priority for Mikoyan is the Russian-Indian MiG-21 modernization program. "We have already determined the program schedule and how we will work," he said. "We are now working on the contract." He said the design bureau also is working on developing upgrades for the MiG-31. Mikhail Simonov, head of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, said deliveries of the Su-27 to China are continuing. He said the aircraft is "well under supply," but deliveries are "not finished." (transcript without permission) And here is a little transcript from sci.military: 646. All new fighters to have stealth by MSgt. Gary Pomeroy Air Force News Service WASHINGTON -- All future fighter aircraft purchased by the Air Force will have stealth technology, Air Force Secretary Sheila E. Widnall said Sept. 12. Furthermore, the Air Force has no current plans to buy any new additional F-15s or F-16s, Widnall said during a press conference at the Air Force Association's national convention. "Let me make it perfectly clear that the Air Force considers that stealth is a revolutionary technology and as we spend money in the future we will not do it on the air frame that does not have stealth," Widnall said. Widnall was responding to how the Air Force planned to deal with attrition of F-15 and F-16 aircraft in the coming years. It had been suggested by manufacturers that the Air Force would need to purchase additional F-15s and F-16s. "We have no near-term plans to consider those options," Widnall said. "What we are obviously very positive about is potential sales of F-15s and F-16s to our allies. And we're working very cooperatively with those companies and potential customers for those aircraft. We think that obviously that would benefit this country." Widnall acknowledged concerns about the size of the fighter force but said "we all recognize that there is a tightness in the defense budget." "Obviously we would like to have a larger force but it's not programmed in the bottom-up review and it's certainly not supportable in the (current) budget." (copied without permission, too) So it looks like everyone is going to have stealth technology, and I don't think that France, Germany or the UK will develop stealth technology or anti-stealth technology only to sell them to the evil foes of the USA. The USA dosen't have the sole proprietorship on stealth-technology anymore, maybe 15 years ago, but not anymore. But as Ben Rich said, there are other things out there, which are secret and well advanced. Now we can speculate about what he meant: - - anti-gravitation (UFOs)? - - artificial inteligence (self-repairing systems, autonomous drones)? - - death rays (like LASER or particle beams)? - - hypersonic aircraft designs ("Aurora")? - - invisibility (super camouflage)? - - telepathic flight controlls (fly-by-brain :) )? - - time travel (couldn't resist :) )? - - silent helicopter (preferably black)? And many other things, I can't even imagine... :)) - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl Absolute Software 313 West Court St. #305 schnars@umcc.ais.org Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 - --- --- ------------------------------ From: "Philip R. Moyer" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 12:35:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Stealth and Anti-stealth >In the last _AW&ST_, Sep. 12, on page 27 is a small article: >"STEALTHY MIG TO FLY SOON" >Farnborough [Stuff deleted] >characteristics. Belyakov has stressed the need to sustain funding for new >prototype aircraft to the senior Russian political leadership. Ah, yes. It's good to know the KGB didn't change it's infrastructure when it changed names. :-| "Russian s: the best in stolen technology." Philip R. Moyer Bits: prm@netcom.com Managing Partner Voice: 510-606-9875 Information Security Engineering Associates Fax: 510-606-9875 48 2E 4C 36 9A 3F F9 1E 74 77 18 E4 2C DB F0 5F ------------------------------ From: John Regus Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 18:07:28 -0500 (CST) Subject: Re: Stealth and Anti-stealth Some time ago I asked for any public info that anyone might have had on the fate of Adolph G. Tolkachev, a Soviet stealth-technology researcher whose execution was announed in 1986, after he was accused of spying for the United States and he was betrayed by the traitor Aldridge Ames. To be brief, the information that Tolkachev was passing back to the U.S. was that the K.G.B. First Directorate had penetrated our steath design programs.... He had obviously tried to alert American officials that plans for the F-22 had been purloined, but was betrayed by Ames. The tragedy of Tolkachev's death is that the source of the leaks will probably not be known for sometime. (This is for you at <>.gov.... because I'm really pissed off about this ... John F. Regus | (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING WUI:REGUSHOU | On Fri, 16 Sep 1994, Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl wrote: > In the last _AW&ST_, Sep. 12, on page 27 is a small article: > "STEALTHY MIG TO FLY SOON" > Farnborough > > Flight testing of Mikoyan's MiG-1.42, which resembles the Lockheed Boeing > F-22, will begin in a matter of "days," according to the head of the > Russian air force. > > Col. Gen. Peter S. Deinekin said the aircraft will enter service with the > Russian air force in 3-5 years. "We will fly this aircraft well into the > next century." > > Rostislav Belyakov, head of the Mikoyan Design Bureau, said his > organization is working on aircraft designs similar to the F-22, Rafale > and Eurofighter. "We will try not only to keep pace with them but overtake > them." He said the project is well advanced and the aircraft is undergoing > testing. > > The aircraft has twin tails and a blended body much like the F-22, as well > as special surface materials and shaping to improve its stealth > characteristics. Belyakov has stressed the need to sustain funding for new > prototype aircraft to the senior Russian political leadership. > > The Russian air force currently operates more than 500 MiG-21s, 400 Su-27 > Flankers and 600 MiG-29s. Deinekin said the biggest effort this past year > has been focused on maintaining the quality of the air force. "We have > 11,000 Russian air force pilots but only 3,050 aircraft," he said. "So it > is impossible to maintain the proficiency of all our pilots." > > AS A RESULT, the Russian air force is maintaining flight training for a > pool of pilots equal to the number of aircraft available. "The rest do not > fly," he said. These pilots continue ground training instead. > > In terms of exports, Belyakov said the first priority for Mikoyan is the > Russian-Indian MiG-21 modernization program. "We have already determined > the program schedule and how we will work," he said. "We are now working > on the contract." He said the design bureau also is working on developing > upgrades for the MiG-31. > > Mikhail Simonov, head of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, said deliveries of the > Su-27 to China are continuing. He said the aircraft is "well under > supply," but deliveries are "not finished." > > (transcript without permission) > > And here is a little transcript from sci.military: > > 646. All new fighters to have stealth > by MSgt. Gary Pomeroy > Air Force News Service > > WASHINGTON -- All future fighter aircraft purchased by the Air Force will > have stealth technology, Air Force Secretary Sheila E. Widnall said Sept. 12. > > Furthermore, the Air Force has no current plans to buy any new additional > F-15s or F-16s, Widnall said during a press conference at the Air Force > Association's national convention. > > "Let me make it perfectly clear that the Air Force considers that stealth > is a revolutionary technology and as we spend money in the future we will > not do it on the air frame that does not have stealth," Widnall said. > > Widnall was responding to how the Air Force planned to deal with attrition > of F-15 and F-16 aircraft in the coming years. It had been suggested > by manufacturers that the Air Force would need to purchase additional F-15s > and F-16s. > > "We have no near-term plans to consider those options," Widnall said. "What > we are obviously very positive about is potential sales of F-15s and F-16s > to our allies. And we're working very cooperatively with those companies > and potential customers for those aircraft. We think that obviously that > would benefit this country." > > Widnall acknowledged concerns about the size of the fighter force but said > "we all recognize that there is a tightness in the defense budget." > > "Obviously we would like to have a larger force but it's not programmed in > the bottom-up review and it's certainly not supportable in the (current) > budget." > > (copied without permission, too) > > So it looks like everyone is going to have stealth technology, and I > don't think that France, Germany or the UK will develop stealth technology > or anti-stealth technology only to sell them to the evil foes of the USA. > > The USA dosen't have the sole proprietorship on stealth-technology anymore, > maybe 15 years ago, but not anymore. > > But as Ben Rich said, there are other things out there, which are secret > and well advanced. Now we can speculate about what he meant: > > - anti-gravitation (UFOs)? > - artificial inteligence (self-repairing systems, autonomous drones)? > - death rays (like LASER or particle beams)? > - hypersonic aircraft designs ("Aurora")? > - invisibility (super camouflage)? > - telepathic flight controlls (fly-by-brain :) )? > - time travel (couldn't resist :) )? > - silent helicopter (preferably black)? > > And many other things, I can't even imagine... :)) > > -- Andreas > > --- --- > Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl Absolute Software > 313 West Court St. #305 schnars@umcc.ais.org > Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 > --- --- > > > ------------------------------ From: TRADER@cup.portal.com Date: Sun, 18 Sep 94 15:37:16 PDT Subject: FY 1995 classified programs list now available I have just released a detailed list of classified programs in the Fiscal Year 1995 defense budget, based on months of research. Since this file is too large (27 K) to send to the Skunk Works Digest, if you are interested in obtaining this document, please FTP to host ftp.shell.portal.com (IP address 156.151.3.4). Look for file FY95-classified-programs in the directory /pub/trader/secrecy . I also have not posted it here, because some readers don't like this kind of thing showing up in their e-mail at work. Readers on my private mailing list, the NEON AZIMUTH, have already been sent this document. Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com "There is no question that we have not yet found the end of the road of what stealth technology can do for the Department [of Defense]" - Dr. John Deutch, Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, taken from testimony before Congress, May 6, 1993. ------------------------------ From: John Regus Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 07:31:10 -0500 (CST) Subject: High-tec PM,9/94,Kirtland AFB, NM "The Air Force's Phillips Laoratory has tapped to rival industry teams captained by Rockwell and Boeing to design airborne laser systems that would shoot from the snout of a 747 Modified for inflight refueling the 747 would prowl the airspace at 40,000 feet where the air is thin and clouds minimal. Sensors would react to missle launches and slue the laser around to fire at multiple targets. The lasers mission would be to pick off missles before they broke through and arc out of the atmosphrer. To hit bull's eye after bull's eye the system would have to operate at unprecedented speed." I would suspect funding for this program is part of the BMDO of the Air Force and is a residual of the SDI. John F. Regus | (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING WUI:REGUSHOU | ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #154 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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