From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #177 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 4 January 1995 Volume 05 : Number 177 In this issue: National Defense Areas (Air Force) usenet interface Re: usenet interface Re: usenet interface Re: usenet interface MESSAGE FORWARDED FROM CULTLEADER Re: usenet interface The Hessdalen lights Re: usenet interface [and administrivia] Fireball Reporting An-124 Classified cargo Re: usenet interface [and administrivia] Questions from Burbank to Vegas nda's usenet interface See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRADER@cup.portal.com Date: Tue, 3 Jan 95 20:33:51 PST Subject: National Defense Areas (Air Force) I've gotten a copy of Air Force Instruction 31-101 (volume 1), "Physical Security" which contains a wealth of new information on security for classified programs. One thing that's particularly disturbing is the following: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1.12. National Defense Area (NDA). NDAs contain and secure Federal Government resources in US and US territorial areas that don't fall under the jurisdiction of the DoD. The AF may need to establish an NDA if: * Aircraft are sent to civilian airports. * An aircraft carrying nuclear weapons makes an emergency landing. * It is necessary to temporarily immobilize nuclear weapons ground convoys. * An aircraft crashes. * Another unplanned emergency occurs. 1.12.1. Establishing NDAs. Installation commanders, through their on-scene commanders, establish NDAs. Minimum requirements for establishing an NDA are: * Use a temporary barrier to mark the boundary of the area. * post Air Force Visual Aid (AFVA) 207-14, Restricted Area Sign-National Defense, August 1990. * Explain the situation to landowners, including why you need to set up the area and the kinds of controls that are in effect. * Get the consent and cooperation of the landowner if at all possible, but establish the area with or without consent. * To the greatest degree possible, let civilian authorities handle civilian arrest and detention. If local civil authorities are not present, military personnel may apprehend and detain violators or trespassers. Work with the judge advocate representative to release violators and trespassers to proper authorities. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com / PaulMcG@aol.com ------------------------------ From: johnpike@clark.net (John Pike) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 08:41:15 -0500 Subject: usenet interface megazone@world.std.com (MegaZone) wrote: >>Is there some particular reason that Skunk Works Digest is not mirrored to >>the alt.conspiracy.area51 usenet newsgroup? >The mailing list is isolated and relatively controlled, the alt.group is >not. And frankly, it isn't very high in quality, whereas this list tends >to be. This list is meant for the discussion of advanced aircraft, and >in part will touch on Area 51 and similar topics. But that is not the >charter of the list. Perhaps I should make my suggestion more explicit. I was not suggesting that the sci.space example be followed exactly. Rather, I was just suggesting that Skunkworks also be posted to alt..51, as is currently the case with the more focused Psychospy. I was not suggesting that Skunkworks _merge_ with alt...51, merely that it also be made available through usenet to a wider audience which might be interested in its contents. >>means of stimulating more contributions to the Digest. >One reason the list is popular with it's long time readers (myself included) >is that it is NOT very busy. It is low volume, with a high signal-noise >ratio. If you changed that you will find many of the contributors leaving. This is potentially a real problem with listservers (which Skunkworks seems to have avoided). There are several other listservers that I subscribe to where I dread the relentless daily dump, which is too much to handle. But this is the reason I am attracted to usenet, since it is possible to quickly scan titles and authors, and browse the good stuff and skip the drivel, whereas with any e-mail based Digest, you are confronted with the entire text. And again, I am not suggesting that alt..51 replace Skunkworks, merely that Skunkworks be regularly posted to alt...51. Though I am quite happy with the current length and frequency of Skunkworks, surely all concerned would be interested in making sure that high-quality items which might be provoked by alt..51 would be included in the Digest. > ..... would any of those sci.space groups be moderated? No, they are not. ------------------------------ From: dadams@netcom.com (Dean Adams) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 06:30:45 -0800 Subject: Re: usenet interface >> ..... would any of those sci.space groups be moderated? >No, they are not. Uh, actually yes. Several of them are. ------------------------------ From: "J. Pharabod" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 95 15:31:58 MET Subject: Re: usenet interface > [...] . And again, I am >not suggesting that alt..51 replace Skunkworks, merely that Skunkworks >be regularly posted to alt...51. >John Pike (Wed, 4 Jan 1995 08:41:15 -0500) I disagree. Skunk-works could be then be invaded by hordes of mystico-illiterate-unscientific loonies, like those whom Dean Adams courageously fights on alt.paranet.ufo, and who fortunately never heard of skunk-works (this does not mean that I always agree with Dean...). J. Pharabod ------------------------------ From: John Regus Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 10:00:23 -0500 (CST) Subject: Re: usenet interface > > I disagree. Skunk-works could be then be invaded by hordes of > mystico-illiterate-unscientific loonies, like those whom Dean > Adams courageously fights on alt.paranet.ufo, and who fortunately > never heard of skunk-works (this does not mean that I always agree > with Dean...). > > J. Pharabod I agree with Pharabod, and I am also would like to add the discussion around here could be a little livelier if we didnot know who all was listening . ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 95 08:17:45 EST Subject: MESSAGE FORWARDED FROM CULTLEADER Forwarded by Terry Colvin 0817MST-1517GMT(Z)4Jan95. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: MESSAGE FORWARDED FROM CULTLEADER Author: forteana@PrimeNet.Com at smtp Date: 3/1/1995 8:20 PM 220 119 article Newsgroups: alt.misc.forteana Path: news1.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!crash!a damsd From: adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas) Subject: Re: Mysterious Booms Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 06:13:43 GMT Message-ID: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3d5n7l$7p8@pandora.sdsu.edu> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 50 William J Jacobs (bjacobs@mintaka.sdsu.edu) wrote: : As you may or may not know, there has been a rash of booms of unknown origin : in the San Diego area recently. : Considering that San Diego is surrounded by Navy bases, I'd say it's more : likely that some new aircraft is being tested, but I don't have any evidence : for that either. I was only in a favorable situation (indoors, quiet) to notice one of these events, and I thought I'd add some data that makes these events interesting. Most of these events are not "booms" in the classic sense. They seem to be very rapid low-frequency changes in local air pressure which are sub-audible. Indeed, many of the reports from resident have them confused with mild earthquakes. It's cool in SD this time of year and most people have their windows shut and heaters on. I was in my kitchen and heard a low-frequency rattle. Like any California native, my first thought was "earthquake", but when I turned I saw my windowpane vibrating to the sound (4-6hz.), but I did _not_ feel any ground tremor of any sort, nor did I see any ripples on the surface of my coffee or the kitchen sink I had just filled to wash my dishes. I heard _no_sound_ other than that caused my the frame of the window vibrating--which lasted a few seconds. I'm a pilot and I've heard my share of sonic booms. I'm also a native Californian and I've felt my share of earthquakes. This event was not the same as either. The closest it comes is to a freak frontal passage I experienced while working at a rural Massachusetts airport in 1976. The pressure change from the passage was so abrupt the windows rattled for a second (shorter than this event) and the calibration altimeters for giving pressure references to aircraft had their pointers vibrate because they shifted their readings so abruptly. I do not feel what I experienced recently was a similar weather phenomenon, but I could be wrong. It might be related to whatever causes Barisal Guns or other mystery pressure events. Whatever is causing these events, it is generating high-intensity infrasonics directly. There are no apparent seismic or audible events associated with the pressure changes. At least, this is true of the event I experienced. - -- ==================================================== Adams Douglas, San Diego, CA adamsd@crash.cts.com - PGP Public Keys available via =finger= - - Keys added 8/28/94, be sure to update! - "Always tell the truth, that way you make it the other bloke's problem" - Sean Connery ------------------------------ From: Mary Shafer Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:35:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: usenet interface I certainly would stop contributing to the list if I knew it were being posted on the Net. In particular, I'd certainly never again offer to fly trinkets, nor would I pass along any information about the Dryden Blackbird program. I do realize that the mailing list is public, but it isn't as public as a newsgroup. Furthermore, the members of the list are intelligent and well-informed. Frankly, what little I've seen of alt.conspiracy.area51 has convinced me it's full of fruitcakes, nutcases, and raving loonies. This is not the audience I write for (at least, not on purpose). I have never seen any "high-quality" items in that newsgroup. Regards, Mary Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com URL http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end.... On Wed, 4 Jan 1995, John Pike wrote: > megazone@world.std.com (MegaZone) wrote: > > >>Is there some particular reason that Skunk Works Digest is not mirrored to > >>the alt.conspiracy.area51 usenet newsgroup? > > >The mailing list is isolated and relatively controlled, the alt.group is > >not. And frankly, it isn't very high in quality, whereas this list tends > >to be. This list is meant for the discussion of advanced aircraft, and > >in part will touch on Area 51 and similar topics. But that is not the > >charter of the list. > > Perhaps I should make my suggestion more explicit. I was not suggesting > that the sci.space example be followed exactly. Rather, I was just > suggesting that Skunkworks also be posted to alt..51, as is currently the > case with the more focused Psychospy. I was not suggesting that > Skunkworks _merge_ with alt...51, merely that it also be made available > through usenet to a wider audience which might be interested in its contents. > Though I am quite happy with the current length and frequency of Skunkworks, > surely all concerned would be interested in making sure that high-quality items > which might be provoked by alt..51 would be included in the Digest. ------------------------------ From: "J. Pharabod" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 95 18:06:39 MET Subject: The Hessdalen lights In a serious ex-Soviet physics review, Physics-Uspekhi 37 (5) 517-520 (1994) there is an article "Long-lived light phenomena in the atmosphere", by B M Smirnov (many thanks to Emmanuel Marin who made some publicity about this article). Apparently there are strange atmospheric phenomena in Norway, but: 1) Is there a NATO base in central Norway, near Hessdalen ? 2) Could the (ex)-Soviet make strange experiments over Norway ? You will find below an interesting excerpt from the article. J. Pharabod [beginning of excerpt] It is clear that the understanding of ball lightning has advanced further than that some of other atmospheric light phenomena. One of these, called the Hessdalen phenomenon, was the subject of the second conference. Hessdalen is a valley in central Norway. In the valley there are about 100 houses. Its length is 12 km and its width is 5 km. A small river flows through it. The height of the mountains surrounding the valley is approximately 1000 m above sea level. Since 1981, the inhabitants have from time to time observed an intense glow during darkness. This glow has been called the 'Hessdalen phenomenon'. It usually occurs in the evening, during the night, and early in the morning, most frequently in the Autumn, Winter, and early Spring, i.e. the dark period. Three types of strange fires have been observed. The first resembles a bright yellow sphere or nucleus and can exist for 1-2 h, moving along the valley and changing its position at 5-10 min intervals. The second type has a bright whitish-blue colour and occasionally flickers. The third type consists of several fires linked to one another. The Hessdalen fires began to appear at the end of 1981 and were observed several hundred times between 1981 and 1984. They began to vanish in 1984, and in 1985 only a few instances were observed. Nowadays the Hessdalen fires appear rarely - about 30 events were recorded during the 1993-1994 Winter season. As a result of the effort of scientists- enthusiasts, a 'Hessdalen project' was set up in Norway during 1983, the aim of which was to investigate this phenomenon with the aid of an assortment of modern instruments. These instruments included a video camera with a grid, an infrared sensor, a spectral analyser, a seismograph, a magnetometer, radar, a helium-neon laser, and a Geiger- Muller counter. The project included two periods of measurements: January-February 1984, in which 53 instances of glow were observed, and January 1985, when not a single instance was observed. For example, a laser beam aimed at the glowing object induces a double flash in the latter, while radar detects the glowing object by the reflection of the radar signal, which makes it possible to estimate the velocity of the glowing object. Yet another interesting result may be quoted. On one occasion, the glowing object left a track in the snow in the form of a spiral 2-3 cm depth. Analysis of the track showed that the number of bacteria in it was approximately 100 times less than in the region adjoining the track. [end of excerpt] ------------------------------ From: Kean Stump Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:14:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: usenet interface [and administrivia] If you would like to use one of the many fine news readers to manage the articles in this mailing list, I'd heartily recommend talking with your local news admin and have them gateway this mailing list to a local newsgroup. Easy to do and preserves the excellent s/n ratio we have. btw - make certain y'all are using mail.orst.edu instead of gaia.ucs.orst.edu as the hostname for the list. We're within a few weeks of moving all the mail services off gaia to dedicated box. Mail.orst.edu points to gaia right now, but that'll change. Anyway, I'll make certain to give *plenty* of notice before the change. Kean Kean Stump Information Services kean@ucs.orst.edu Oregon State University OSU doesn't pay me to have official opinions. (503)-737-4740 ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 95 10:35:35 EST Subject: Fireball Reporting Forwarded by Terry Colvin 1035MST-1735GMT(Z)/4Jan95. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: MESSAGE FORWARDED FROM CULTLEADER Author: forteana@PrimeNet.Com at smtp Date: 3/1/1995 9:15 PM 220 182 <3dsufk$ft2@news1.delphi.com> article Path: news1.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!usenet From: CULTLEADER@delphi.com Newsgroups: alt.misc.forteana Subject: Fireball Data Center (info) Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:05:08 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 92 Message-ID: <3dsufk$ft2@news1.delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com To: JBERNER From: starex Status: I Page 1 of 5 Subject: How I should report fireballs? Date: 03/13/94 12:10, Folder: EMAIL Internet From: starex@tron.gun.de (Andre Knoefel) Originator: starex, To: jberner ## Nachricht vom 27.05.93 weitergeleitet ## Ursprung : /USENET/SCI/ASTRO ## Ersteller: STAREX@TRON.ZER How I should report fireballs? ================================ Data on fireballs are useful for different purposes: 1. identification of photographed meteors (exact time required); 2. informationen concerning color, train, fragmentation, and sound which are not easily obtainable by other techniques; and 3. analysis of fireball periodicities and/or fireball radiants. The Fireball Data Center (FIDAC) of the International Meteor Organization (IMO) has the task to build up a wide and complete picture of the appearance of fireballs troughout the year. This information will support the investigation of these imposing, bright events, especially those accompanying meteorite falls. Studies of fireball and meteorite-fall rates at mid-northern latitudes demonstrate that possible meteorite-producing fireballs and actual meteorite falls occur more frequently in the evening than in the morning, and also more frequently in spring than in fall. These general conclusions should be underpinned with further observations allowing a more detailed analysis, including also the southern hemisphere. For all these reasons we need a minimum of data of a fireball events. The three important details are the correct date and time, the coordinates of the location and the brightness of the fireball. The following key items are in a complete fireball observation: - - date and time: in UT, important for comparison of data. Please use UT only, pay attention to the date! - - location and coordinates: important data for further computations, e.g. the zenithal magnitude, conversion of the trail coordinates from azimuth and elevation to right ascension and declination. Name of the location in original language, adding state and country. - - coordinates of the apparent path: in right ascension and declination for investigation of possible fireball radiants and in the case of a meteorite fall for the computation of the impact point/area. If you are not able to determined right ascension and declination you should report azimuth and elevation. Please note, the scale starts with North=360deg ... East=90deg ... - - apparent magnitude: as far as possible use astronomical magnitude classes; if required note an interval. In case of obervations by eye witnesses cite the comparisons they give and add a rough estimation (e.g. 'much brighter than Venus' -- estimation mag. -5 to -8). - - duration: of the visible path in seconds - - color: of the complete trail and any changes along it - - train: information about color, duration, apparent breadth, and shape - - fragmentation: number of pieces, location along the train, brightness of fragments - - persistent train: information about color, brightness, shape and iis variation, and time taken to vanish - - velocity: in degrees per second or on a scale of six ranks (0-stationary, 1-very slow, 2-slow, 3-medium, 4-fast, 5-very fast) - - sound: all information about sound, the description as a comparison (e.g. rustle, roar, whizzing) and the time lapse between the optical observation and the appearance odf noise; if the occasion arises, the succestion of different noises can be defined too - - observer: name - - source and remarks: additional remarks, e.g. the souroundings of the observing place (important for synchronous sound recordings) metallic objects in the vicinity, wet/dry air, wind, etc. Even if it not possible to give information concerning all data we would like to receive reports. Please, always indicate which data are certain and wich are not. For the report of fireballs we use a special fireball report form (see seperate mail). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- International Meteor Organization * Fireball Data Center c/o Andre Knoefel, Saarbruecker Str. 8, D - 40476 Duesseldorf, Germany phone: (+49) 211:450-719 (tape) e-mail: starex@tron.GUN.de (Internet) 100114,3235 (CompuServe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rainbow V 1.08 for Delphi - Test Drive ------------------------------ From: Jay.Waller@analog.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 95 14:13 EST Subject: An-124 Classified cargo I just read a story that was run by the AP a couple of weeks ago. It says that on Dec.22 an An-124 delivered a classified cargo to the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville,Ala. According to the article,truckloads of material were delivered,it was not a single object. The plane landed at Huntsville Int. Airport and the cargo was trucked from there. Redstone is the home of the Army Missle Command,which "develops,acquires and supports all tactical missles used by the US Army". It also says they analyze missles used by foreign governments. Any speculation ? ------------------------------ From: John Regus Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 14:14:14 -0500 (CST) Subject: Re: usenet interface [and administrivia] Kean, I think the whole group with the exception of one or two individuals have said "no" to a newsgroup. Mary==>> this is for you===>> why not create a www for the skunks because it can be password protected. If you want I will security admin. Let me know. John F. Regus | (713) 960-0045 | SYS/370/390 SYSTEM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING WUI:REGUSHOU | On Wed, 4 Jan 1995, Kean Stump wrote: > If you would like to use one of the many fine news readers to manage the > articles in this mailing list, I'd heartily recommend talking with your > local news admin and have them gateway this mailing list to a local > newsgroup. Easy to do and preserves the excellent s/n ratio we have. > > btw - make certain y'all are using mail.orst.edu instead of > gaia.ucs.orst.edu as the hostname for the list. We're within a few weeks > of moving all the mail services off gaia to dedicated box. Mail.orst.edu > points to gaia right now, but that'll change. > > Anyway, I'll make certain to give *plenty* of notice before the change. > > Kean > > Kean Stump Information Services > kean@ucs.orst.edu Oregon State University > OSU doesn't pay me to have official opinions. (503)-737-4740 > ------------------------------ From: Tom Ambrose Date: Wed, 04 Jan 1995 12:48:06 PST Subject: Questions from Burbank to Vegas A friend and I flew to Vegas for New Year's this year. We left from Burbank and vectored over Palmdale, Barstow, and then on to Vegas. First of all, does Lockheed still use the hangar at Burbank? It looked totally deserted. The hangar door was slightly ajar, but I couldn't see inside (even when we took off). When we flew over Palmdale, I saw Plant 42, but nothing interesting was going on. It was daylight and a holiday, so this wasn't surprising. Edwards and the dry lakebed are HUGE. I've been there for the open house, a shuttle landing, and I've seen footage, but its really big. Now, about halfway between Palmdale and Barstow (around Helendale?) just to the north of our flight path was something that neither of us could identify. It looked almost like a really wide runway that slowly increased in width up until the midpoint. It was about 10,000 ft long. I'll attempt to draw it. --------------------------------------------------- / \ | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \ | | | | \ \| | | |---------------- | | | | | | | |---------------- | | | | / /| | | | / / \ / | | / / \ / | | / / | | | | / / | | | | / / | | | | / / | | | | / / | | | | / / | | | | / / | | | etc. The outside border represents a small road the surrounded the complex. The paved areas on the left looked to be the width of a normal/small runway. There were a few small building at the near/bottom end and there was a small radar/microwave dish also. The whole thing looked like some strange runway. I couldn't think of anything else that would look like this. Does anyone have any idea what this is or what I'm talking about? - -tom ------------------------------ From: "Frank Schiffel, Jr." Date: Wed, 04 Jan 95 15:22:30 CST Subject: nda's So, I don't understand the concerns about national defense areas. There is a reason that material is kept secret. It hurts the national security. Granted there are a lot of journalists and others who don't believe in that (I see how they train the pencil pushers here, and this is supposedly a good school) who want to report anything. It seems that the idea of legitimate national security concerns is going by the wayside, now that the cold war is over. Its amazing how there is a large push to lower export restrictions and really slash defense. Yeah, pol sci is as liberal as ever. Most NDAs by far are due to aircraft crashes. You don't want people looking around taking material. You also want to safeguard whatever classified marteria l may have been in the pile of smoking aluminum scrap. You also don't want to get people hurt (whazis, looks like a bomb {kick}) in the area. Granted, stuff that isn't critical should be declassified. But, that doesn't mean that anything is open just because you want to know. In any case, I cast my vote against going to Area 51. I really think Aurora is dead as a door nail. I would like to find out what WAS funded and WORKED on (did it ever fly?) before it was cut -- along with a lot of other interestin g stuff. If anybody is interested, I'm working on a paper on national technical means and have literature searches available. I'm willing to share sources on the SR-71 and satellite data. Some are out of print, so might be hard to find. I'm also thinking about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and have a raw list of plants and facilites that I'm trying to corelate with sources. Sort of a long way to argue that there needs to be an SR-71 follow on. ------------------------------ From: megazone@world.std.com (MegaZone) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 18:16:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: usenet interface Once upon a time John Pike shaped the electrons to say... >Skunkworks _merge_ with alt...51, merely that it also be made available >through usenet to a wider audience which might be interested in its contents. Mailing lists have a wider distribution by far than ANY USEnet group, and alt...51 has a poor distribution. Posting the digest there would be, IMHO< a waste. on top of that, one-way gates are considered rude. You dump what you have to say on the nets, and then they can't reply. So you'll end up with a lot of people trying to join the Skunk Works list to argue the inane conspiracy theories from alt...51. That's the majority of traffic there in my experience, unless it changed recently. On top of that, the Skunk Works list has a very good reputation within the industry itself - crossposting there could do nothing but damage the reputation built up over the years. Guilt by association, even with a one-way connection. >the reason I am attracted to usenet, since it is possible to quickly scan >titles and authors, and browse the good stuff and skip the drivel, whereas wit >any e-mail based Digest, you are confronted with the entire text. And again, Don't read it in digest format, read it as seperate letters and use a mail filter, or set up a port to a local (even private) newsgroup if you prefer. >surely all concerned would be interested in making sure that high-quality item >which might be provoked by alt..51 would be included in the Digest. Sorry, not I. In the time I spent checking the group, the 'high quality' posts were few and far between. On top of that, many of them were concerned with government or the land management, which are fringe topics here at best. 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