From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #234 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Friday, 7 April 1995 Volume 05 : Number 234 In this issue: Re: electrostatic filed and stealth Magnetic Propulsion on B-2 Flight International 18-24 March issue Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #233 Anti-Grav Tech Questions All is not quiet in Blackville... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Gibb Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:34:21 GMT Subject: Re: electrostatic filed and stealth I've been subscribed to this list for about 4 months now and I've not really been following this topic, but I'm surprised that there are a few people out there who are amazed with the possibility of anti-gravity. I remember something about 8 years ago over here in the U.K. where there was a demonstration of a small anti-grav device using gyroscopes, now whether this was an April fool (it wasn't April for a start) or not I cannot comment, though it was never publicised as such and was on an eminent sp?!) science programme, hence I believe it to be true. As for physics, well no matter what you say it's not an exact science and we're still learning, from neutrinos to quasars ! Regards, John John Gibb, Programmer/Analyst, University of Paisley, Scotland ------------------------------ From: Robin Bjorklund Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Magnetic Propulsion on B-2 Unless the time-space continuum can be bent by an object smaller than a star-antigravity is an impossibility. Black holes also do a big bending job on the space-time continuum. Stephen Hawking says that a black holes can be created in the kitchen? In this case a momentum transfer force is generated on the surface near a black hole producing a force that propels an object into the black hole. So, find a way to fold space and you can travel along as if surfing robin :p ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robin L. 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Also, a hypothetical tactical ASM would have a 43% reduction in size using a ducted rocket as compared to a conventional solid rocket. Not totally skunky, but an interesting look at a critical technology area in which we seem to be trailing Europe and Russia. Sad, as we did a lot of development work on airbreathing missiles in the 1970s and early 1980s, with such programs at the Supersonic Tactical Missile and ASALM. One wonders how Have Flag will fare in the next couple of budget cycles. George George Allegrezza | Digital Equipment Corporation | "There is nothing more dangerous than Mobile Systems Business | a race fan with grading equipment." Littleton MA USA | allegrezza@ljsrv2.enet.dec.com | -- Humpy Wheeler ------------------------------ From: "Michael William Freeman" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #233 > I used to work with an aerospace consultant some years back, who'd worked > on avionics for F117 and B2, so I mentioned Aurora. Her immediate response > was "where did you hear that name?". She wouldn't say anything more apart > from "Even if it exists, which it doesn't, I couldn't tell you anything > about it. That's the same response I got from my friend who was in Army Intelligence during the Gulf War. I asked him about Aurora and the TR-3, and that is the same answer he gave me. > I don't know if any of you have seen this yet, but Chrysler has a > commercial for their Aurora that's kind of funny. > > Its filled with all kinds of shots of the car, etc. and the announcer > is mentioning different specs, when he says, "...and its been clocked > at 3500MPH...ooops, that's their's." It then cuts to a long distance > shot of a plane leaving a contrail. > > I found it amusing. OLDSMOBILE!!!!! OLDSMOBILE MAKES THE AURORA!!! YOU HAVE OFFENDED A GREAT NUMBER OF GM EMPLOYEES!!!! - -Mike Freeman ------------------------------ From: "Christian Jacobsen" Date: 6 Apr 1995 14:07:24 U Subject: Anti-Grav Tech Questions Subject: Time:1:45 PM OFFICE MEMO Anti-Grav Tech Questions Date:4/6/95 Regrading this ionic anti-grav device (positive ions in front, negative in rear), the only problem I have with it is the question of lift. From my understanding, the principle here is that the flow of positive ions over the wings toward the negative ions at the rear of the ship produces lift the same way that air produces lift. My problem is that ions passing over and under the wing do not have enough mass to actually lift the ship.....do they? (I have one of those little Positive Ion Guns that help to remove the static from a vinyl record, and when I put my hand in front of the gun I cannot feel anything.) Am I missing something here? It seems like my description above is way too simple. This also does not describe an "anti-gravity" device. It simply uses other forces to negate the effect of gravity on a stationary (or moving) body....much like a helicopter, only less noisy!! Can someone help me out on this? I appreciate it, - - Christian ------------------------------ From: kuryakin@halcyon.com (Illya Kuryakin) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:21:31 +0600 Subject: All is not quiet in Blackville... Newsflash: An F-117 at Holloman AFB caught fire and exploded on the runway during takeoff yesterday. The remains are supposedly still blocking the (or one of the) runways. Today, F-117's that launched for some exercise were recalled and grounded. Film at 11. !!erk. Fresh report... just heard a 'Spear 26' callsign. They're flying again. That's as of 21:20hrs CDT over Texico, TX. Slow news: A KC-135 crashed at Northrop Strip at White Sands. Kewl show: One of the F-16XL's stopped in to refuel at Amarillo last night at around 9 PM. Comments heard on the radio were that of the pilot asking for the weather over Holloman. Mary, anything you can shed on that? I caught this one because she flew almost directly over the house in the climb out with afterburners. Wow... she's a loud one. Heard it inside the house over the stereo. _Finally_, I got to see an Excel. Today... 12 F-111's heading North. And lately, the normal complement of B-1's, C-141's, C-5's, E-6's, E-3's, etc... in the traffic pattern. Oh, and the tweety birds, too. Always T-37's and T-38's around... :} Illya ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #234 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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