From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #235 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 April 1995 Volume 05 : Number 235 In this issue: "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron" Re: "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron" Re: "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron" Re: Electrogravitics ... Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #234 - Antigravity SR-71 Manuals See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Easton Date: Fri, 7 Apr 95 13:07 BST Subject: "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron" Regarding... >From: larry@ichips.intel.com >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:24:59 -0700 >Subject: Re: April Fool's anti-gravity and Northrop Electroaerodynamics... >As Rick posted, assuming the above is an April Fools post, enough said. Hi Larry, This article was recently posted on the MUFON Public Echo, as follows: =========================================================================== BBS: Stairway to Heaven BBS Date: 23-03-95 (18:36) Number: 117 From: JODY WEBER Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: Antigravity Squadron 1/8 Conf: (323) MFPublicEc - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Following is an essay by Paul A. LaViolette, Ph.D. It is also an excerpt from the book "Electrogravitics Systems: Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology" by Thomas Valone, M.A., P.E. The U.S. Antigravity Squadron by Paul A. LaViolette, Ph.D. Abstract [END] I understand that Jody has a degree in Aerospace Engineering and I believe this article is quite genuine. I have just received permission from Jody to cross-post the article and have also clarified that there are no copyright problems so long as the original source is credited. This article is potentially of extreme importance. I had deleted the copy of the article which was posted here, however, from what I recall, it was not complete. I would be happy to provide a copy of the complete article, however, it is some 40k in size and unless subscribers can receive this as one file, I regrettably do not have the available time to reduce the file to smaller mail packets and forward these in response to each request. One comment which I noticed: "The B-2's body design raises suspicions that the aircraft is indeed an electrogravitic vehicle. A primary design criterion for an electrogravitic craft is that it have a large horizontally disposed surface area so as to permit the development of a sufficiently strong antigravity lift force. As Townsend Brown's experiments demonstrated, such an aircraft need not necessarily be disc-shaped; triangular and square-shaped forms also exhibit antigravity lift when electrified, although disc shapes give the best performance. The triangular platforms used in the B-2 and other advanced stealth aircraft may have been deemed better for reasons of their much lower radar cross section." This implies that should such technology be employed, a triangular shaped craft would be an ideal design. If we had a triangular shaped craft which _was_ utilising such technology, might it be capable of hovering and exhibiting extraordinary maneuverability? Might it also by default have a rather unique camouflage capability? A follow up to Jody's original posting, suggests that may be a credible hypothesis: "Since the gravitational field vector (developed by the gradient between leading edge wing high-voltage positive-ion generators and the trailing edge wing high-voltage negative-ion generators,) serves the bend space-time to create that gravitational vector, then it follows that the space-time bend also affects the passage of light in the vicinity of the Stealth aircraft. In other words, light from behind the B-2/F-117A is bent over and around the airframe, and then resumes its course in the original straight line. To the observer standing afar, it appears that the light went right through the plane. In other words, the B-2/F-117A becomes INVISIBLE!" Speculating for a moment, should this be hypothetically possible, we might then have outlined the design concept for a rather interesting aircraft; it would be triangular, it would be capable of hovering, it would have extraordinary maneuverability and it could "disappear". Something like this perhaps? : Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:11:49 -0700 To: TEXJE@uk.ac.heriot-watt.vaxb Subject: Re: Triangular Craft James, I'll do my best to give you details about the craft I saw. It was pretty difficult to see the little details because of the air pressure. It was sort of like being "pressed" on by warm air, and it was hard to keep my eyes open while looking up. But here's my best. I did not see the craft move at all, it was hovering, almost soundless seemingly right above me. This was at about 10:00 a.m. on a bright, sunny day. I felt it there before I actually saw it. I did not see it, or hear it approach except for noticing the change in the atmosphere, suddenly it was just there, as if becoming visible for the first time. It appeared to be gunmetal gray, almost black, but not quite. I did see what appeared to be either a large light or a window directly in the center of the triangle. That's what I'd say the shape was - triangular, a regular triangle. I was almost directly below it, so I only say the bottom. It had lights around the edges of the triangle, but I couldn't say how many and they didn't appear to be on. I can say for certain that I saw lights at each one of the three corners of the craft and at least one on each of the sides. I'm not a very good judge of measurements so I can't say for sure how high above me it actually was, but it seemed rather close, I'd guess about 25 feet. It struck me as odd that there was very little sound from the machine. I didn't hear any engines or whirring or humming, and there was no real air movement to speak of, just this pressurized feeling and the warmth. It disappeared just as suddenly as it appeared. It was all over in a very short time. So abrupt that I wondered if I was hallucinating. It was pretty creepy. I'm not unused to seeing things in the sky. I don't live that far from Edwards Air Force Base, as the crow flies and I'm used to seeing the stealth planes, even when "they" denied the existence of them. Those looked like giant bats in the distant sky. This triangular craft was the same color as the stealth planes, which leads me to believe they are experimental military planes. Julia. [END] Like I said, just speculating... Cheers, James. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: TEXJE@VAXB.HW.AC.UK Internet: JAMES.EASTON@STAIRWAY.CO.UK - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: dadams@netcom.com (Dean Adams) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron" > One comment which I noticed: > "The B-2's body design raises suspicions that the aircraft is indeed > an electrogravitic vehicle. A primary design criterion for an > electrogravitic craft is that it have a large horizontally disposed > surface area so as to permit the development of a sufficiently strong > antigravity lift force. Hmmm... the B-2 looks more like its developing an airfoil lift force to me at least :). And why waste four perfectly good F118 turbofans, as well as developing elaborate intake and exhaust systems for a "electrogravitic vehicle"? If and when we ever build such a craft, a propulsion system of that sort will free designers from a long list of constrants required for "conventional" propulsion and flight control systems. Aircraft like the B-2 show absolutely no characteristics of being anything other than an AIRcraft. ------------------------------ From: "J. Pharabod" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 17:18:12 SET Subject: Re: "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron" >"Since the gravitational field vector (developed by the gradient between >leading edge wing high-voltage positive-ion generators and the trailing edge >wing high-voltage negative-ion generators,)serves the bend space-time to >create that gravitational vector, then it follows that the space-time bend >also affects the passage of light in the vicinity of the Stealth aircraft. Bending space-time ? This would mean that there are unknown (military ?) physicists far more brilliant than Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, Feynman, Dyson, Salam, Glashow, Weinberg, etc... J. Pharabod ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:27:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Electrogravitics ... James Easton writes: >One comment which I noticed: > >"The B-2's body design raises suspicions that the aircraft is indeed >an electrogravitic vehicle. One might think that perhaps, if one believed in electrogravitics and not aerodynamics. But, the B-2 is a flying WING! Wings develop lift due to being designed according to the laws of aerodynamics. I'm suspicious of your aerodynamics expert. Assume electrogravitics exists (more on that later), just for the sake of argument. Why would a person trained in aerodynamics think the B-2 was an 'electrogravitic' vehicle when nobody has ever seen a B-2 with evidence of an electrified leading edge, and wing and control surfaces on the vehicle indicate it is an aerodynamic vehicle? AW&ST is the ONLY source to publish that the B-2 MIGHT use an electrified leading edge (to my knowledge). And AW&ST didn't say it was employed for lift and propulsion, but for stealth. And the theme of the AW&ST piece was that this was a rumor anyway, and so therefore a very weak argument. And previously, when the B-2 began taxi tests and later did its first flight, AW&ST published an aerodynamics analysis of the aircraft and how it flew. Nothing there about electrogravitics. So how could ANYONE correctly draw the conclusion that the B-2 was electrogravitic - based on the above facts? Sounds like a jump to fantasy to me! No personal offense intended to anybody here. Dean responds: >Hmmm... the B-2 looks more like its developing an airfoil lift >force to me at least :). And why waste four perfectly good F118 >turbofans, as well as developing elaborate intake and exhaust >systems for a "electrogravitic vehicle"? > >If and when we ever build such a craft, a propulsion system of that >sort will free designers from a long list of constrants required for >"conventional" propulsion and flight control systems. Aircraft like >the B-2 show absolutely no characteristics of being anything other >than an AIRcraft. I completely agree. As you mention, all of the evidence of aerodynamic control surfaces etc. on the aircraft indicate one thing - AIRcraft. J. Pharabod writes: >>"Since the gravitational field vector (developed by the gradient between >>leading edge wing high-voltage positive-ion generators and the trailing edge >>wing high-voltage negative-ion generators,)serves the bend space-time to >>create that gravitational vector, then it follows that the space-time bend >>also affects the passage of light in the vicinity of the Stealth aircraft. >Bending space-time ? ... I agree. When you have an electrical gradient between the wing leading edge and the trailing edge, what you have is an electrical gradient, NOT a curvature of space time, or gravitational field. In my opinion, the whole T.T. Brown thing does NOT demonstrate electrogravitics at all. If there was a propulsive effect that Brown saw, it was due to ion wind and not a curvature of space time. It is fairly easy to build small devices that propel themselves due to ion wind. Just get a book on building an electrostatic generator. Such books usually have neat experiments about how to build small, light vehicles, that propel/lift themselves via ion wind, to say nothing of the neat static generator machine that you'll end up possessing. Larry ------------------------------ From: ConsLaw@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 17:20:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #234 - Antigravity Regarding the B-2 Antigravity story- I thought the reason why Einstein's unified field theory hasn't been confirmed is that the relationship between gravity and electromagnatism has not been discovered. I can see how ionization would effect the magnatism. It's quite a jump to alter gravity. Secondly, assuming the gravitational field is altered, creating in effect a forcefield of zero drag around the aircraft, then theoretically the aerodynamic controls would not work. ------------------------------ From: MiGEater1@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 23:23:43 -0400 Subject: SR-71 Manuals Zenith Books has finally lowered their price of the SR-71 Pilot's Manual to 79.95, down from 99.95. I'm not a big fan of advertising over the 'net but its about time they dropped the price and I figured everyone out there should know about it. Order #117443AP. I'll send the phone number if you're interested. Just send an email to me or request their catalog by fax; 1-715-294-4448 (U.S. number). Does anyone out there have it already? Is it worth the price? 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