From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #248 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 22 April 1995 Volume 05 : Number 248 In this issue: Searching for Phil Moyer Groom Lake press release (1957) Re: Neat Pilot Report... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brent L. Bates" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:59:56 -0400 Subject: Searching for Phil Moyer I've tried sending email directly to Phil Moyer, the founder of the skunk-works list, but haven't received any replys. My addresses are rather old, so I thought I might post here to see if anyone can help me track him down. Please reply directly to me, I'm not on the skunk-works list any more, just too much good stuff to read and I couldn't get my real work done. :-). - -- Brent L. Bates Phone:(804) 865-6350 M.S. 912 FAX:(804) 865-8177 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 E-mail: B.L.BATES@larc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ From: TRADER@cup.portal.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 20:46:19 PDT Subject: Groom Lake press release (1957) The DoE has been releasing previously declassified or unclassified documents to researchers, through its Opennet computer database. (For more information on Opennet and how to request documents, use Internet Web site http://www.doe.gov/ ). The Nevada Operations Office released the following press release about Groom Lake (aka Area 51). (The document Accession Number is NV034090). I have typed up the document below -- I have thousands of pages of military documents, but no equipment to scan them into OCR and post them as text files. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- OTI-57-70 Nevada Test Organization July 29, 1957 OFFICE OF TEST INFORMATION 1235 South Main Street Las Vegas, Nevada Telephone: DUdley 2-6350 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE A pilot who landed his small private aircraft late Sunday on the Watertown air strip within the restricted air space over the Nevada Test Site was to take off today after being detained overnight at Mercury. The pilot is [DELETED] of Redondo Beach, California, an employee of the Douglas Aircraft Company. He was on a cross country training flight from Torrance, California, to Las Vegas, when he lost his way, ran low on gas, and landed at Watertown. The Watertown landing strip is in the Groom Lake area at the northeast corner of the Nevada Test Site. Nevada Test Organization security officials reported the incident to the Civil Aeronautics Administration, which administers the air closure over the Test Site. -O- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even back in 1957, Groom was an extremely classified area, during the U-2 program. One can imagine the kind of reception this pilot got... Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com / PaulMcG@aol.com ********************************************************************** Anonymous FTP access to files dealing with excessive military secrecy is available from Internet host ftp.shell.portal.com (IP address 156.151.3.4) in the /pub/trader directory. Read the 00readme files for descriptions of the files. Writings from Glenn Campbell, author of the "Area 51 Viewer's Guide" are available in /pub/trader/secrecy/psychospy. (America Online users can use Keyword:FTP, and Web users can use URL ftp://ftp.shell.portal.com/pub/trader/ ) ------------------------------ From: "Dick Smith" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 02:05:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Neat Pilot Report... larry@ichips.intel.com wrote: > > >When is it expected to be put into passenger service, Larry? > > This was planned, as you mentioned. After all, Jack Northrop was > planning to use a YB-49 derived aircraft for that purpose (many > of us have seen the video that Northrop developed showing this > concept) but as it currently sits, the ATC union has complained > that the airplane is impossible to track on ATC radars. They've > threatened to strike if plans to put the aircraft into commercial > service are carried forward. Wasn't April Fools' Day a couple of weeks back? ATC radars use an active transponder in the aircraft. It's logical to assume that the B-2 has one, although it can probably be switched off. If I remember what I've seen correctly, there's room for a third seat. That won't make much room for passengers unless they can imitate Slim Pickens. Best, - -- Dick Smith dick@smith.chi.il.us ** Don't use my office address... I've resigned from Northrop! ** ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #248 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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