From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #250 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 25 April 1995 Volume 05 : Number 250 In this issue: Phil Moyer Found Thanks for the info RIAP Bulletin - Ukraine Re: Thanks for the info Ron's jpegs See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brent L. Bates" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:30:49 -0400 Subject: Phil Moyer Found >From blbates Mon Apr 24 08:25:13 1995 Received: by indra.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.9/lanleaf8.6.4) id IAA17309; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:13 -0400 Return-Path: From: "Brent L. Bates" Message-Id: <9504240825.ZM17307@indra.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: skunk-works Subject: Found Phil Moyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Thanks to all who replied. Phil was the first person to reply. So I found him ok. Thanks again. - -- Brent L. Bates Phone:(804) 865-6350 M.S. 912 FAX:(804) 865-8177 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 E-mail: B.L.BATES@larc.nasa.gov >From blbates Mon Apr 24 08:25:14 1995 From: "Brent L. Bates" Message-Id: <9504240825.ZM17307@indra.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: skunk-works Subject: Found Phil Moyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Thanks to all who replied. Phil was the first person to reply. So I found him ok. Thanks again. - -- Brent L. Bates Phone:(804) 865-6350 M.S. 912 FAX:(804) 865-8177 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 E-mail: B.L.BATES@larc.nasa.gov >From blbates Mon Apr 24 08:29:33 1995 Received: by indra.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.9/lanleaf8.6.4) id IAA17318; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:29:33 -0400 Return-Path: From: "Brent L. Bates" Message-Id: <9504240829.ZM17316@indra.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:29:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: skunk-works Subject: Phil Moyer Found Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 >From blbates Mon Apr 24 08:25:13 1995 Received: by indra.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.9/lanleaf8.6.4) id IAA17309; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:13 -0400 Return-Path: From: "Brent L. Bates" Message-Id: <9504240825.ZM17307@indra.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: skunk-works Subject: Found Phil Moyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Thanks to all who replied. Phil was the first person to reply. So I found him ok. Thanks again. - -- Brent L. Bates Phone:(804) 865-6350 M.S. 912 FAX:(804) 865-8177 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 E-mail: B.L.BATES@larc.nasa.gov >From blbates Mon Apr 24 08:25:14 1995 From: "Brent L. Bates" Message-Id: <9504240825.ZM17307@indra.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) Thanks to all who replied. Phil was the first person to reply. So I found him ok. Thanks again. - -- Brent L. Bates Phone:(804) 865-6350 M.S. 912 FAX:(804) 865-8177 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 E-mail: B.L.BATES@larc.nasa.gov >From blbates Mon Apr 24 08:29:34 1995 From: "Brent L. Bates" Message-Id: <9504240829.ZM17316@indra.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:29:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: skunk-works Subject: Phil Moyer Found Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 >From blbates Mon Apr 24 08:25:13 1995 Received: by indra.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.9/lanleaf8.6.4) id IAA17309; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:13 -0400 Return-Path: From: "Brent L. Bates" Message-Id: <9504240825.ZM17307@indra.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: skunk-works Subject: Found Phil Moyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Thanks to all who replied. Phil was the first person to reply. So I found him ok. Thanks again. - -- Brent L. Bates Phone:(804) 865-6350 M.S. 912 FAX:(804) 865-8177 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 E-mail: B.L.BATES@larc.nasa.gov Thanks to all who replied. Phil was the first person to reply. So I found him ok. Thanks again. - -- Brent L. Bates Phone:(804) 865-6350 M.S. 912 FAX:(804) 865-8177 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 E-mail: B.L.BATES@larc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ From: BROWN A <92913938@mmu.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:44:07 GMT Subject: Thanks for the info Thanks to everyone who sent me information about the "Aurora". It really helped a great deal. Although I've now finished the project I was doing, (well, almost) I'm still going to collect information on the subject, so keep things up!. Going back to the paper which appeared a few issues back about the B-2 "electro-gravitic" engine (yes, I know it was a while back, but I've been on holiday until now), I found it very interesting. What especially interested me was the fact that, just recently, a friend of mine who is doing an Astrophysics Ph.D gave me a copy of a paper he had found. The paper, which came out at the beginning of this year, and has yet to be published in full, describes a way of exceeding the speed of light WITHOUT violating any of the tenents of general relativity. The way this is done (What do I mean-is!!) is by distorting the space ahead of and behind a ship. This enables the ship to exceed the LOCAL speed of light without exceding the GLOBAL value. What caught my eye about the "Electro-gravitic" engine was the similarity of the proposed distortion. Unless you REALLY understand general relativity, the concept is almost impossible to grasp (I only just understand it, and forget about the maths), but it really is fascinating. Another interesting bit is the claim that the occupants of the ship would feel no acceleration, due to the ship being stationary WRT its immediate surroundings, remarkably similar to the claim for the B-2. Before you ask, no, this paper did not originate from the Skunk works, or Los Alamos, but from Aberystwyth in Wales. Now a little question. Does anyone out there have any idea what happened to the development of the "Thermo-jet" valveless pulse-jet engine found in the 1973/74 Janes?. Looking at the description of the engine, it seems to me very close to one of the descriptions of the "Pulse-Detanation-Wave-Engine" (PDWE) that have come out recently. If anyone has any information on what happened to these interesting engines, I'd be glad to hear from them. Adrian Brown (92913938@mmu.ac.uk) ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 08:08:30 EST Subject: RIAP Bulletin - Ukraine Forwarded from: riap@office.kharkov.ua From: AEROSPACE COMPANY "VERTICAL", RESEARCH INSTITUTE ON ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA (RIAP) Date: April 18, 1995 RIAP BULLETIN Editor: Vladimir V. Rubtsov, Ph.D. RIAP Bulletin (RB) is the ONLY serious anomalistic periodical in the Commonwealth of Independent States published IN ENGLISH. 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Something Going On!" ,>'?'<, | Touches some wheel, or verges to some goal, -Salvador Freixedo- ( O O ) | 'Tis but a part we see, and not a whole. - ------------------ooOO-(_)-OOoo------- Alexander Pope, Essay on Man ------- ------------------------------ From: "J. Pharabod" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 17:35:17 SET Subject: Re: Thanks for the info > Going back to the paper which appeared a few issues back about >the B-2 "electro-gravitic" engine (yes, I know it was a while back, >but I've been on holiday until now), I found it very interesting. >What especially interested me was the fact that, just recently, a >friend of mine who is doing an Astrophysics Ph.D gave me a copy of a >paper he had found. The paper, which came out at the beginning of >this year, and has yet to be published in full, describes a way of >exceeding the speed of light WITHOUT violating any of the tenents of >general relativity. The way this is done (What do I mean-is!!) is by >distorting the space ahead of and behind a ship. This enables the >ship to exceed the LOCAL speed of light without exceding the GLOBAL >value. What caught my eye about the "Electro-gravitic" engine was the >similarity of the proposed distortion. Unless you REALLY understand >general relativity, the concept is almost impossible to grasp (I only >just understand it, and forget about the maths), but it really is >fascinating. Another interesting bit is the claim that the occupants >of the ship would feel no acceleration, due to the ship being >stationary WRT its immediate surroundings, remarkably similar to the >claim for the B-2. >Adrian Brown (Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:44:07 GMT) The B-2 is a classical plane which has nothing to do with that. You are speaking of Alcubierre's method, which is probably impossible (need of "exotic matter") and in any case would not be used on this planet before hundreds of centuries... Below you will find an article about this method, which I found in _New Scientist_ (?) several months ago (sorry, I have lost the exact reference). J. Pharabod ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Surfing to the stars on warped space, by Alison Goddard. The creators of Star Trek apparently knew a thing or two. According to one researcher in Britain, faster-than-light travel using the kind of "warp drive" used on the USS Enterprise could be achieved without changing the laws of physics. "I was watching Star Trek and I thought there must be a way to do this right," says Miguel Alcubierre of the University of Wales in Cardiff. His methode relies on modifying space-time: the three familiar spatial directions, with time as the fourth dimension. Previously, researchers have imagined travelling faster than light by travelling through a "wormhole", a shortcut through space-time that connects widely separated regions of the Universe. Alcubierre's method is neater, however; it involves making the space-time near a spaceship expand and contract. Imagine a spaceship making a round trip between the Earth and the star system Alpha Centuri, 4.3 light years away. To an observer on Earth, the shortest time in which this journey could be made is twice this distance divided by the speed of light: 8.6 years. However, in the reference frame of the travellers, time slows down as the speed of the spaceship approaches that of light, so the time taken for the trip can be made arbitrarily short. Hence, if an identical twin made the trip while her sister remained on Earth, the traveller twin will return younger than the one that stayed behind - a well-known dilemma known as the "twin paradox". Now Alcubierre has worked out a way for an observer who remains at rest to also measure an arbitrarily short time taken for the traveller to make the trip, although the traveller will still not travel faster than light. Previously, this had been thought impossible. "Create a local distorsion of space-time that will produce an expansion behind the spaceship and an opposite contraction ahead of it," says Alcubierre. "In this way, the spaceship will be pushed away from the Earth and pulled towards a distant star by space-time itself." (Classical and Quantum Gravity, vol 11, p L73). Space-time can be visualised as a rubber sheet that is warped in the vicinity of massive objects. Alcubierre's idea is to stretch the sheet behind the spaceship, so expanding space-time, and compress the sheet in front of the spaceship, contracting space-time. "A propulsion mechanism based on such a local distorsion of space-time just begs to be given the familiar name of 'warp drive'," he says. However, this method of moving the goal posts has one major drawback. All the objects in the Universe that have mass attract each other with the force of gravity, but the violent expansion of space-time described by Alcubierre requires masses to repel each other. Scientists have yet to find the "exotic matter" which experiences this repulsive gravitational force. Alcubierre points out that the rapid expansion of the early Universe after the big bang 15 billion years ago requires masses to repel each other. "The need for exotic matter doesn't necessarily eliminate the possibility of using a space-time distorsion for hyperfast interstellar travel," he says. ------------------------------ From: ac242@lafn.org (Bill Coss) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:30:07 -0700 Subject: Ron's jpegs Hi, I have not been able to find the jpegs of Ron Schweikert's slides. I have checked the ftp site several times and can't seem to locate them. Any hints. 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