From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #269 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 14 May 1995 Volume 05 : Number 269 In this issue: 'Operation Roving Sands' re: How secret are skunk-works' secrets? [none] Crashed F-117A(s) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Hutchings Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 12:28:00 GMT Subject: 'Operation Roving Sands' Could anybody tell me what 'Operation Roving Sands' is all about please ?? Andy - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Hutchings _|___|_ | | | Newcastle,UK \ ATC / o | | Internet: andy@airnorth.demon.co.uk \___/ ___-( )-___ | | CompuServe: 100427,3635 | | o o | | FidoNet: 2.256/156.20 | | | | | | | | 'All my own work/opinions ......' | | 'cleared to land ..' | - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: TRADER@cup.portal.com Date: Sat, 13 May 95 11:01:26 PDT Subject: re: How secret are skunk-works' secrets? [Byron -- read down further for a list of places to check] In an earlier message, Byron Weber mentioned a divorce case, where the respondent was supposed to have worked at the Lockheed Skunk Works, and no records could be found. As other posters have mentioned, I think this individual was a con artist who did not work there. Even in the most sensitive positions, the records exist for people holding high security clearances. They won't say what the person does for a living though. For example, employees of the National Security Agency show up as employees of the Department of Defense. I don't have the manual in front of me, on security clearances, but I remember reading that the financial shenanigans the respondent engaged in could cause a person to -lose- their security clearance. Here are a couple of addresses for Byron to write to. DIS handles security clearances for DoD projects. You would probably need to write to these people on a law office's letterhead. You might want to ask the DIS if they have a DISCO Form 560 on the respondent. DIS Capital Region [handles Washington DC, VA, MD] 2461 Eisenhower Avenue Alexandria, VA 22331-1000 telephone: (202) 325-9634 DIS Pacific Region [handles southern California, Lockheed "Skunk Works", 3605 Long Beach Blvd. Nellis AFB, Groom Lake/Area 51 (DET 1), etc.] Suite 405 Long Beach, CA 90807-4013 telephone: (310) 595-7251 Director Defense Investigative Service 1900 Half Street, SW Washington, DC 20324-1700 Director of Central Intelligence Central Intelligence Agency Washington, DC 20505 Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com / PaulMcG@aol.com http://www.portal.com/~trader/home.html ------------------------------ From: Evan Beeton Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 15:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] Many thanks to all who responded to my question. Something odd happened a few weeks ago. Perhaps those of you familiar with aircraft can shed some light here. I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. My condo is relatively near the approach pattern for Fort Laud/Hollywood International. I haven't seen any military traffic since before Hurricane Andrew hit when Homestead was in operation. (Mostly choppers) About 2 am, I was awakened by a very loud jet noise. It ripped over the house, followed by a second one immediately after. The weird thing is, the entire noise for both 'aircraft' laster under 2 secs apiece, and there was complete silence of the night following- there was no noise as whatever they were went into the distance. Is this unusual? Evan 21st century digital boy... Fear for the future - I graduate in June! ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 17:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Crashed F-117A(s) The following is all the information currently available to me: On Wednesday, May 10, 1995, at 10:30 p.m. an F-117A from the 9th FS/49th FW from Holloman AFB crashed about 5 (or 7) miles south of Zuni inside the Zuni Indian Reservation in New Mexico. Contact with the pilot, Capt. Kenneth W. Levens of Stamford, TX, was lost five minutes earlier. The pilot (Bandit number above 455) apparently did not eject and was recovered dead from the wreckage. The retrieval and security of the crash site was handled by personnel from the Kirtland AFB, Albuquerque, NM, and the authorities of the Indian Reservation were informed and cooperated. The crash site may be near or on a sacred Indian burial site. Previous 'Have Blue'/'Senior Trend' crashes so far: 05/04/1978 - XST-1 crashed at Groom Lake; Lockheed test pilot William M. 'Bill' Park was severely injured during the ejection; 07/11/1979 - XST-2 crashed at Groom Lake; Lt. Col. Norman Kenneth 'Ken' Dyson ejected safely; 04/20/1982 - F-117A '785' ('79-0785' ?), 1st series F-117A, crashed on first flight attempt at Groom Lake; Lockheed test pilot Robert L. 'Bob' Riedenauer, Bandit 103, was severely injured; 07/11/1986 - F-117A '792' ('81-10792' ?), 8th series F-117A, crashed near Bakersfield, CA; USAF pilot Maj. Ross E. Mulhare, Bandit 198, did not eject and was killed when the aircraft flew into a hillside; 10/14/1987 - F-117A '815' ('85-01815' ?), 31st series F-117A, crashed at a Nellis gunnery range, 65 miles east of Alamo, NV; USAF pilot Maj. Michael C. Stewart, Bandit 231, using the call sign 'BURNR 54', did not eject and was killed when the aircraft flew into a hillside; 08/04/1992 - F-117A '802' ('82-0802' ?), 18th series F-117A, crashed into a storage building near Holloman AFB, NM; USAF pilot Cpt. John B. Mills, Bandit 402, from the 416th FS, ejected safely; 04/05/1995 - 'Illya Kuryakin' reported that an F-117A, participating in the 'Roving Sands' exercise, caught fire and exploded on the runway at Holloman AFB. The remains were apparently blocking the runway for quite a while -- this is unconfirmed. A funny side note: in a tv-show called "Night Rider 2000" (or something like that), part of the "Action Pack" series which aired earlier this year or maybe last year, an F-117A had crashed inside an Indian Reservation on an sacred burial ground, which was the reason the USAF couldn't retrieve it. So it sat there in a sort of junk yard. What a coincidence. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #269 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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