From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #274 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Friday, 19 May 1995 Volume 05 : Number 274 In this issue: More on Aircraft Noise [[Stealth & F-15s over the UK]] F/A 18D goes down with Rear Admiral onboard Noisy Stuff See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Thu, 18 May 95 09:14:22 EST Subject: More on Aircraft Noise [[Stealth & F-15s over the UK]] Hi Guys, Looks like we have a discussion going on Stealth Bombers. George Banks wrote: >Just thought i would put my bit in. >1.Stealth bombers do not fly very slowly and lit up very brightly, its >not very stealthy. Any aircraft however does fly reasonably slowly and >are well lit on approach to land. And Larry said: >As a pilot, I'll add my little bit, the F117 stealth bomber has a top >speed of about 450mph and cruises at about 350ish mph, this is very >slow, I think this confirms what I said. By 'very slowly' I meant compared to the Tornado Jets which zoom over here at low level and produce the noise effect that was originally mentioned. I understood that since the Stealth Bomber has such a tiny Radar 'footprint' and is black that it is deliberately 'over-illuminted' when flying over friendly territory at night to reduce the chance of collisions. Does this sound a reasonable explanation? Larry? >If you live in a town or city , and the aircraft? noises are frequent then >I wouldnt have thought any RAF or USAF aircraft would do that regulary, >cos theyr`e breaking the rules etc. If your in a village or edge of town >or city then maybe,... One day last year two F15's performed a 'dog-fight' over Norwich. This was seen and heard by hundreds of people and made headlines in the local papers. Despite this the USAF claimed flatly that it did not happen. So I have to agree with Larry: >Fortean people know that the military couldn't care less what, where or >how they go about any of there research, testing and general money >spending sprees in any country. However planes do take on the >apperance of a Christmas tree when they're on approach to land and do >sound wierd due to the way Jet engines operate at low speed/altitudes. Now has any one seen the Aurora (sp?) and does it use Alien Technology for propulsion? ;-) Chris Bond. ------------------------------ From: Beau Mersereau Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: F/A 18D goes down with Rear Admiral onboard Rear Admiral James G. Prout III, 51, commander of the USS Carl Vinson carrier battle group, was a passenger in the plane piloted by Navy Commander Joseph G. Kleefisch, 41, commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 25 based at the Lemoore Naval Air Station. Bad Weather hampered the aerial search for the missing plane and the officers. Taken from the Albuquerque Journal, May 18, 1995. ------------------------------ From: Evan Beeton Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 17:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Noisy Stuff Terry Colvin typed... >Silence - WOOSH - silence. That's what it sounded like alright... seems I was mistaken about that. I have received a few messages describing the same thing. I don't know much about aircraft, so it seemed like something unusual. However, there still is the fact that I haven't seen or heard any military aircraft (besides helos) in this area since the late 80's when a C-130 flew into FLL. And that was not at 2 in the morning, nor very low over a civilian apartment complex. It's just too weird to pass off as routine. And later typed... >Most interesting are the Stealth Bombers which fly silently, >slowly and are very brightly lit at night. I'm sure these are >responsible for the reports of black triangular UFO's in this >area a few years ago. Sounds like you're describing two different things there- I thought the silent black triangular craft were an entirely different animal... the TR-3A Black Manta? The eyewitness account I saw on TV said that it was completely silent and perfectly triangular. Correct me if I am wrong, but the B-2 has all those pointy edges on the back and is not a distinct triangle, right? (More like a bat with anatomical problems...) Evan - ---- 21st century digital boy... Fear for the future - I graduate in June! ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #274 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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