From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #286 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Thursday, 1 June 1995 Volume 05 : Number 286 In this issue: Re: Commanche Stealth... The linear aerospike engine. New NASA project: Live From the Stratosphere (fwd) CENSORED: The Pentagon's Mysterious HAARP Project (fwd) AW&ST May, 29, 1995 Links Groom/Antelope: EG&G Re:EG&G, NEST and other stuff See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dadams@netcom.com (Dean Adams) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Commanche Stealth... > +I think everyone's concern about what type of helicopters they had been > +seeing that were silent were laid to rest yesterday when the Army rolled out > +the Commanche to the public. > I think not. Especially since the Commanche program has been relatively open all along. There were no surprises at the rollout. > The type was definitely an H-60 of some variety. That shape > is impossible to mistake for a Comanche. It also seems unlikely there are even any of them flying yet. > The _real_ question, though... is just what kind of helicopter/vtol is > flying at Tonapah. Could they have fielded the V-22 already? Is there > another beast flying? A UAV? Not much reason the V-22 would be there, given that it is an even more open program than the Commanche. I'd say the best idea of what sort of stealthy, quiet helicopter is flying around Nellis/Tonapah was on the cover of AW&ST a few months ago. :) ------------------------------ From: BROWN A <92913938@mmu.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:08:59 GMT Subject: The linear aerospike engine. Hi Skunkers, Thanks to everyone who has sent me information on the "Air spike" and "Linear aerospike engine" concepts. All the info I received proved very useful, and I now understand the principle of the "Air spike" idea fairly well. Unfortunately, not much info was forthcoming on the "linear aerospike" engine, so I'm still a little hazy on that one. If anyone out there has any good, clear information on it, I'd be glad to hear from you. Although I understand the general principle (It seems a bit like the variable area nozzles used on jet engines for years) what I'm after are detailed descriptions of the design. I know this isn't really skunk works materiel, but does anyone out there know if the EH-101 prototypes are making fairly regular flights from/to north Lincolnshire. I live in mid-Derbyshire, and keep seeing large helios in the distance, flying NE/SW, which look incredibly like EH-101s. I haven't managed to get a good look at them yet, as by the time I have got my binoculars out of the house, they have passed out of sight. Like I say, its not really skunky stuff, but it is a bit of a mystery for me. If anyone out there can shed any light on this one, I would be most grateful. Adrian Brown,(92913938@mmu.ac.uk) Dept of Maths & Physics, Manchester Metropolitan University. ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Wed, 31 May 95 11:21:29 EST Subject: New NASA project: Live From the Stratosphere ***SUNDANCE, please pass to school system in Evansville. TWC ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: New NASA project: Live From the Stratosphere Author: marc@quest.arc.nasa.gov (Marc Siegel) at smtp Date: 27/5/1995 4:47 AM P A S S P O R T T O K N O W L E D G E ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ inaugurates 1995-96 as "A Year to Explore Space and Cyberspace" __ ______ | | | __ _ _ __ |___ ___ __ __ __ _____ ___ | | \ / |__ | |__| | | | \ / | | |__| |__ | _|_ \/ |__ | | \ |__| | \/ | | | | |__ |____ _|_ ______ | ____ ___ _ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ |_____ | |__| /_\ | | | |__ |__| |__| |__ |__| |__ | | | \ / \ | |__| __| | | | |__ | \ |__ _____| . . . . . . . * /| . * . . . . + . / / / . + . . . ______/ /_____| | . * . . + . . . . . -=<__*@*_ ______|=|<| . . +. + . \ \ | | . . . . \ \ \ * . . + . \| a PASSPORT TO KNOWLEDGE project electronic field trips via interactive television and online networks REAL SCIENCE... REAL SCIENTISTS... REAL LOCATIONS... REAL TIME "It's a miracle what the world makes... " 13-year old from Texas "I've never seen a project that was so alive with the breath of what it means to do the work of science..." parent of a middle schooler from New Jersey, talking about LIVE FROM ANTARCTICA In October 1995, students in schools and science museums all across America can travel aboard NASA's Kuiper Airborne Observatory (KAO) as it flies at 41,000 feet to study planets, stars and galaxies with its infrared telescope. For the first-time ever, NASA's Advanced Communications Technology Satellite will provide live video direct from the KAO, and 2-way audio and Internet connections to schools and science museums during daytime and overnight missions. LIVE FROM THE STRATOSPHERE (LFS) is the second in the PASSPORT TO KNOWLEDGE series of electronic field trips, which began with LIVE FROM ANTARCTICA in 1994-95: it's an integrated multimedia project involving: (1) live television (over PBS and NASA-TV), and also available on videotape; (2) print materials suggesting hands-on, in-class activities, and: (3) online computer networks using the Internet Targeted primarily at the middle school grades, LFS will also provide interdisciplinary materials that can be easily adapted for elementary and high school use. LIVE FROM THE STRATOSPHERE will allow students all across America to take a virtual trip aboard the Kuiper, to interact with astronomers and the flight-crew in real-time, to better appreciate the nature of contemporary astronomy and its incredible discoveries over the past decades, and the promise of the decades ahead. This announcement provides basic information about the three components and how to join the project. (1) THE VIDEO COMPONENT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The project will begin in late September with a half-hour videotaped introduction to infrared astronomy, the Kuiper Airborne Observatory and demonstrations for teachers of hands-on in-class activities featured in the Teacher's Guide. Next will come a one-hour LIVE briefing on the upcoming Observing Flights from the KAO's hangar at NASA's Ames Research Center in California: students meet the astronomers, crew, and the teacher and student team who will travel aboard the KAO during the live observing flights. These introductions will be followed by a 2 1/2 hour LIVE flight during the school day, and a 5-hour night-time flight, observing planets, stars and galaxies. Interactive video uplinks from NASA Ames, and selected science museums and schools across the nation, connect students to astronomers on board the KAO and to each other. Some science museums and planetariums have already agreed to hold overnight camp-ins in conjunction with the night flight. In late October will come a videotaped digest of all the previous programming, providing an "evergreen" compilation of the astronomy seen during these unique KAO missions, with rights to re-use the video in class in years to come. (2) PRINT MATERIALS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 50-page Teacher's Guide is being developed by PASSPORT TO KNOWLEDGE featuring hands-on activities written by Carolyn Sumners, Ph.D., Director of Astronomy and Physics at the Houston Museum of Natural Science, and reviewed by the Materials Development Team of the PASSPORT TO KNOWLEDGE project, KAO staff and observers and teacher- alumni of NASA's FOSTER project (Flight Opportunities for Science Teacher EnRichment.) Draft materials will be made available for 1995 summer workshops hosted by NASA, science museums and other organizations and institutions. (For information about receiving materials, see end of message.) (3) ONLINE RESOURCES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NASA'S K-12 Internet Initiative will provide online materials accessible via a World Wide Web page; alternate Internet access will be be provided via Gopher and basic Email. NASA Spacelink and PBS ONLINE will provide additional online hosts. Just as in LIVE FROM ANTARCTICA, the online materials will include extensive archival Information, including the full text and graphics of the printed Teacher's Guide, and current data on the KAO, astronomy and aeronautics, as well as INTERACTIVE opportunities such as Field Journals written by researchers on the KAO, and the ability to send Questions directly to scientists and others seen on camera. Additional online COLLABORATIVE opportunities will include having students at diverse sites around the nation develop group activities and real-time databases relating to astronomy, meteorology and aeronautics. ONGOING ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE 95-96 SCHOOL YEAR: LIVE FROM THE STRATOSPHERE will introduce PASSPORT TO KNOWLEDGE's "Year to Explore Space and Cyberspace". The Teacher's Guide and online materials will also include information on how to follow the Galileo spacecraft's encounter with Jupiter, beginning in December 1995, and introduce the Spring 1996 PASSPORT TO KNOWLEDGE offering: + . . . + LIVE FROM THE HUBBLE SPACE TELESCOPE . + . . . . . . . . . . . . . ! / * . . . + . . - O - . . . + . . * . . / | . + . . . .. + . . . . . * . * . +.. . * . . . . . . . . + . . + TO PRE-REGISTER TO PARTICIPATE AND RECEIVE MATERIALS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To receive regularly updated information online, join the "updates-lfs" list: Send an e-mail message to: listmanager@quest.arc.nasa.gov In the message body, write: subscribe updates-lfs This will place you on an electronic mailing list to receive information over the summer. To receive introductory materials and other background information, send an e-mail message to: info-lfs@quest.arc.nasa.gov PASSPORT TO KNOWLEDGE is also committed to inviting and supporting participation from those WITHOUT online access. To register, receive the printed Teacher's Guide, other NASA materials on astronomy, an original color poster, and to cover postage, please send $10.00 to: LIVE FROM THE STRATOSPHERE P.O. Box 1502 Summit, New Jersey 07902-1502 or call: 1-800-626-LIVE (1-800-626-5483) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LIVE FROM THE STRATOSPHERE is supported, in part, by the Information Infrastructure and Technology Applications program of NASA's Office of High Performance Computing and Communications, the NASA Education Division, the NASA Office of Space Science, Astrophysics Division, and public television. It is co-produced by GEOFF HAINES-STILES PRODUCTIONS and MARYLAND PUBLIC TELEVISION. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COME FLY WITH US, COME FLY, COME FLY THE INFORMATION HIGHWAY, INTO THE STRATOSPHERE... INTO ORBIT, AND INTO THE FUTURE OF SCIENCE EDUCATION! ------------------------------ From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:45:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: (fwd) CENSORED: The Pentagon's Mysterious HAARP Project (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:59:02 -0500 From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive The Pentagon's Mysterious HAARP Project SOURCE: EARTH ISLAND JOURNAL Date: Fall 1994 Title: "Project HAARP: The Military's Plan to Alter the Ionosphere"* Authors: Clare Zickuhr and Gar Smith SYNOPSIS: The Pentagon's mysterious HAARP project, now under construction at an isolated Air Force facility near Gakona, Alaska, marks the first step toward creating the world's most powerful "ionospheric heater." The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP), a joint effort of the Air Force and the Navy, is the latest in a series of little-known Department of Defense (DOD) "active ionospheric experiments." Internal HAARP documents state: "From a DOD point of view, the most exciting and challenging" part of the experiment is "its potential to control ionospheric processes" for military objectives. Scientists envision using the system's powerful 2.8-10 megahertz (MHz) beam to burn "holes" in the ionosphere and "create an artificial lens" in the sky that could focus large bursts of electromagnetic energy "to higher altitudes ... than is presently possible." The minimum area to be heated would be 31 miles in diameter. The initial $26 million, 320 kw HAARP project will employ 360 72-foot-tall antennas spread over four acres to direct an intense beam of focused electromagnetic energy upwards to strike the ionosphere. The next stage of the project would expand HAARP's power to 1.7 gigawatts (1.7 billion watts), making it the most powerful such transmitter on Earth. For a project whose backers hail it as a major scientific feat, HAARP has remained extremely low-profile -- almost unknown to most Alaskans, and the rest of the country. HAARP surfaced publicly in Alaska in the spring of 1993, when the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) began advising commercial pilots on how to avoid the large amount of intentional (and some unintentional) electromagnetic radiation that HAARP would generate. Despite protests of FAA engineers and Alaska bush pilots, the final Environmental Impact Statement gave HAARP the green light. While a November 1993 "HAARP Fact Sheet" released to the public by the Office of Naval Research stressed only the civilian and scientific aspects of the project, an earlier, 1990, Air Force-Navy document, acquired by Earth Island Review, listed only military experiments for the HAARP project. Scientists, environmentalists, and native people are concerned that HAARP's electronic transmitters could harm people, endanger wildlife, and trigger unforeseen environmental impacts. Inupiat tribal advisor Charles Etok Edwardsen, Jr., wrote President Clinton on behalf of the Inupiat Community of the Arctic Slope and the Kasigluk Elders Conference expressing their concern with the prospect of altering the earth's neutral atmospheric properties. HAARP also may violate the 1977 Environmental Modification Convention (ratified by the U.S. in 1979), which bans "military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting, or severe effects." HAARP project manager John Heckscher, a scientist at the Air Force's Phillips Laboratory, has called concerns about the transmitter's impact unfounded. "It's not unreasonable to expect that something three times more powerful than anything that's previously been built might have unforeseen effects," Heckscher told Microwave News. "But that's why we do environmental impact statements." SSU Censored Researcher: Scott Oehlerking This file and other Project Censored information are now available on the Internet, via Gopher and WWW. Email: project.censored@sonoma.edu Gopher URL: gopher://censored.sonoma.edu:70/11/ProjectCensored WWW URL: http://censored.sonoma.edu/ProjectCensored/ - -- ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AW&ST May, 29, 1995 The latest AW&ST has several Skunk Works related articles, including the cover story, which is about the Boeing Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche, and an article about the Tier 2+ project. INDUSTRY OUTLOOK, page 13, has several bits about new and interesting technologies: * The surviving X-31, now in Germany, will fly a very promising sounding aerobatic demo at Paris -- a post-stall loop after takeoff that looks like a figure-9, precise left and right yaws while falling like a leaf, and a break turn to 70-deg. angle of attack at 500 ft. with a reversal and roll. [Wish I could be there -- Andreas] * KTAADN Inc. developed neural network computers which are used successfully for weather predictions. * Westinghouse develops an ultra-small atomic clock, making very accurate position locating (up to 1.0 cm) possible. * Astropower wants to commercialize a new low-cost, fabric-based solar cell technology. * JX Crystals developed a portable, quiet, emission-free generator to produce electricity from heat. NEWS BREAKS, page 17, has the following interesting items: * "A low life-cycle cost, medium-lift helicopter for the U.S. Navy has been added back to the Pentagon's list of 12 new advanced concept technology demonstration projects for Fiscal 1996. The final selections also include projects relating to combat identification, logistics, semi-automated imagery processing, battlefield awareness and data dissemination, counter proliferation, military operations in built-up areas, ship defense against imaging infrared missiles, miniature air-launched decoys, land vehicle survivability enhancements, and automated biological agent detectors." * "Orbital Science Corp. and Rockwell International will establish a 50-50 joint venture to develop, operate and market the X-34 small reusable launch system. NASA laboratories will serve as subcontractors to the Orbital/Rockwell team. Orbital will be the managing partner. The companies expect to invest $100 million to launch the new enterprise. NASA will contribute $70 million to develop and test X-34 technologies." * The U.S. Army awarded Raytheon a demonstration program contract for the Enhanced Fiber Optic Guided Missile (EFOG-M), which is part of the Pentagon's Rapid Force Projection Initiative Advanced Concepts Technology Demonstration program. WASHINGTON OUTLOOK, page 19, has the following items: * The USAF wants to buy 442 F-22, but the Pentagon is most likely not able to afford so many. * The JAST demonstrator program may be cut by $50 million in Fiscal Year 1996, which would make the DoD very unhappy -- especially now, after they received a lot of interest in it, including from the U.K., Germany and the Netherlands, and other countries looking for an F-16 replacement. A funny headline can be found on page 23: ATLAS TEAM PRESSES FOR SWIFT UFO LAUNCH while the "UFO" refers to the UHF Follow-On satellites, used by the USN. :) A very interesting, Skunk Works related article is on pages 26/27: TELEDYNE RYAN TEAM WINS TIER 2+ UAV COMPETITION It includes a side-view drawing and a model photo of the proposed Tier 2+ vehicle, and concludes with a reminder of the up-comming roll-out of Lockheed Martin's small, stealthy Tier 3- UAV -- now called 'DarkStar' -- tomorrow, on June 1, 1995, at Palmdale. And here are the facts: * the winning team comprises: - Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical, San Diego, CA (team leader, overall design) - E-Systems Melpar Div. (ground stations) - Rockwell International (wings) - Loral Communications Systems (formerly Unisys) - Allison Engine Co. - Hughes Aircraft 's Radar Systems and Electro-Optical Systems divisions - GDE Systems (mission planning software) - Heroux Inc., Canada (landing gear) * the losing teams were: - Raytheon - Loral - Northrop Grumman - Orbital Science * costs and schedules: - the Phase Two contract of $164 million (the amount is subject to negotiation) was awarded to Teledyne Ryan by the DoD's Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) on behalf of the Pentagon's Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office (DARO); - the complete program may cost up to $500 million; - the unit flyaway price is supposed to be $10 million in FY 1994 dollars; - Phase Two comprises a 31-month, advanced development and flight test program, including the design, building and testing of two advanced development air vehicles and a ground station, followed by a 12-month flight and systems test program; - this is followed by Phase Three, which includes up to eight additional demonstration aircraft and two ground stations, which would undergo a two year operational demonstration; * Congress wants to add $60 million in FY 1996 to the Tier 2+ program, which could be used to enable one of the losing teams to develop a second, fall-back design (1 aircraft with a partial payload, less data link and no ground station). The original idea of two competing design teams was abandoned, due to cuts in the FY 1995 budget. * (proposed) technical data of the Teledyne Ryan design: - purpose: non-stealthy, heavy-payload, long-endurance, near real-time battlefield surveillance UAV; - construction: standard aluminum frame with composite secondary structures, and all composite wing; - wing span: 116 ft. - length: about 40 ft. (compared to 6 ft. person in drawing) - height: about 12 ft. (compared to 6 ft. person in drawing) - gross takeoff weight: 20,000 - 25,000 lb. - performance: 24 hr. endurance at a range of 3,000 nm. from the base at an altitude of 65,000 ft. - engine: one modified Allison AE 3007 turbofan, with 7,200 lb. of static thrust at sea level -- currently rated only up to 50,000 ft. - payload: threat warning and detection, countermeasures (jamming capability and reel-out/reel-in decoy deception system), 48-in. satellite dish for data link (like C-Span), operating in the Ku and UHF frequencies for wide-band data links of near real-time images, video, and targeting data, synthetic aperture radar, electro-optical and infrared sensors; The two cover story articles are on pages 75-77: RAH-66 COMANCHE ROLLS OUT and COMANCHE TO FOLLOW PHASED TEST APPROACH Included are 5 different photos of the prototype, 4 semi-frontal, and the fifth directly from the back. No side view is shown, making it impossible to see the complete serial number, painted on the tail-fin. Only the digits '91-xxx27' (?) are barely visible. If someone knows the complete serial, maybe also from the second prototype, I would appreciate the info. A sketch of the front (pilots) cockpit layout is also included. And now more facts: * two prototypes were ordered in FY 1991 (?). The first will be used for basic airworthiness tests, and the second for mission development tests, in a seven year test program. The Early Operational Capability (EOC) program showed that integrated electronic development and manufacturing, with a single CATIA based database, streamlined the development process significantly. The cost is about 33% lower than what could be achieved with traditional methods, installation and flow times are considerably lower and reworking of parts has dropped tremendously. The development program is now about 70% complete, despite three major program restructurings since 1991 -- and within 2.7 % of budget costs. The aircraft baseline weight is also on target with 3,536 kg. (7,779.2 lb.), but the software development is 4 to 6 months behind schedule; - the first prototype was rolled out on May 25, 1995, at Sikorsky's Stratford, CT, facility. The first flight is scheduled for November 30, 1995, at Sikorsky's West Palm Beach, FL, flight test center. After being trucked to Washington for display it is expected on June 23, in Florida -- still missing the flight computer, and displaying a mock-up of a gun and a gun-turret; - first flight of the second prototype is scheduled to be in September, 1998, and it will be first fitted with the basic reconnaissance MEP (see below for description); * the initial flight test program will comprise two pilots from Boeing and two from Sikorsky, and will focus on clearing the structural envelope. The aircraft will be fitted with a real-time telemetry system, and will validate the flight control system, basic MEP, and its LHTEC T800 engines. Then a 15 hr. flight control development evaluation follows (planned for April to May 1996), a 45 hr. shakedown flying (May to October 1996), followed by performance flights to survey the aircraft's dynamic stability, preliminary flight loads capability, and flight vibration characteristics (October to November 1996), 45 hr. of additional flight control development, and 40 hr. of propulsion survey, to investigate the performance of the inlets and exhausts. After all these tests, the first prototype will probably be stored in FY 1997; * other tests performed include: - more than 10,000 hr. of wind tunnel tests on models ranging from 1/10th to full-scale were performed, including flying a complete rotor system; - more than 4,000 hr. of RCS testing on models ranging from 1/10th to full-scale was conducted, the full-scale tests started about a year ago at Boeing facilities in Oregon. - flight controls tests, combining simulators and actual aircraft hardware, like electrical and hydraulic systems, were performed; - full scale infrared suppressor tests were conducted at the United Technologies Research Center; - a static test article is used for structural loads testing at Sikorsky's Stratford facility; - a propulsion system testbed (PSTB) is used at Sikorsky's West Palm Beach test center to evaluate aircraft systems prior to flight; * because the visual systems are all digital electro-optical systems, the pilot can sit in the front seat, while the copilot sits in the back. The first prototype has only a limited core Mission Equipment Package (MEP), comprising: - a pilot's electronic flight instrument system display, - a health display presenting engine and transmission gauges, rotor tachometers and fuel flow data, and - the main systems screen, for start and shut down of the engines, a configuration module that sets lights and takes care of cockpit administration tasks, and a status display that uses electronic 'pages' to present the status of nearly everything in the cockpit; * the second prototype will receive the basic reconnaissance MEP, adding: - a target acquisition system, - the Integrated Communications/Navigation Identification Avionics (ICNIA), which should allow burst transmissions of data, - target detection and classification software, which automatically scans the battlefield, identifying and prioritizing targets, and - a night vision pilotage system, equipped with sensors developed by Lockheed Martin and a turret and helmet display system developed by Kaiser Electronics. Navigation information, fire control data and weapon-sighting capability, together with some target cuing and the ability to overlay FLIR images and symbology on the helmet display, allow nap-of-earth flight and combat while looking out of the window; * in FY 2002 an armed reconnaissance MEP will be introduced, with: - a gun installed in a chin turret, and - the ability to fire 6 internally stored missiles; * in FY 2003 the attack MEP will follow, adding: - external stores for 8 additional Hellfire missiles; * the highly integrated cockpit is based on experience gained from B-2 and V-22 cockpits, and the highly common cockpits for the MH-47E and MH-60K special operations versions of the Chinook and the Blackhawk; * the flight control system uses 3 dual flight control computers, checking each other -- while one is sufficient for flight operations; * it uses a three layer flight control system, comprising: - level 1: a fully self-contained primary system (not needing air-speed, yaw-rate or INS to function), working if at least one of the two hydraulic systems are operative, - level 2: representing the auto-pilot functions with full-up rate command-with-feedback feature, including velocity hold, hover hold, and altitude hold, - level 3: the flight director, coupled with the fire control system; * six additional RAH-66 are planned to be delivered in FY 2002, incorporating the reconnaissance MEP. In FY 2003 two will be operationally tested as scouts for AH-64D Longbow Apaches by an Army heavy division, and the other four will be tested in the armed recon role by a cavalry platoon, evaluating the night vision pilotage, target acquisition and digital communication systems under wartime conditions; * up to 1,292 Comanche are planned, costing an average of $9.4 million each in 1988 dollars. - -- Andreas PS: Could someone who has Skunk Works Digest number 5-280 and 5-281 forward them to me, or did no one receive them? - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: chosa@chosa.win.net (Byron Weber) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:07:24 Subject: Links Groom/Antelope: EG&G The exact nature of EG&G's involvement with Groom Lake and Antelope Valley remains ambiguious, purportedly contract management consultants to DoD. What follows is a partial telephone listing for companies with the name EG&G in the western USA (1993/1994), their locations and sic codes: EG&G, Inc, 1320 Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA sic 8731-commercial physical research EG&G Optoelectronics 345 Portero Ave, Sunnyvale, CA sic 506599-electronic parts & equip, mfg EG&G Geometrics Box #-497 Sunnyvale, CA sic 382999-measuring, controlling devices nec EG&G Instruments ORTEC Walnut Creek, CA sic 504901-scientific engineering equip. EG&G Power Systems Inc, CEA 1 Aerovista Park, San Luis Obispo, CA sic 3651-audio-video equipment mfg EG&G Power Systems, Inc, 1330 E Cypress St, Covina, CA sic 367999-electronic components EG&G Princeton Applied, 23575 Cabot Blvd #204, Hayward, CA sic 13826-laboratory analytical instruments EG&G Princeton Applied,Box #-4389 Chatsworth, CA sic 873201-marketing analysis, business, economic EG&G Rocky Flats,Inc, 1235 E Wooley Rd, Oxnard, CA sic 3462-forging plants, iron, steel EG&G WA Anlytcl Svc Ctr 3481 W 5th ST, Oxnard, CA sic 8742-management consultants EG&G Astrophysics Res Corp, 4031 Via Oro, Long Beach, CA sic 3844-x-ray apparatus EG&G Gamma Scientific, Inc, 8581 Aero Dr, San Diego, CA sic 8679-electronic components EG&G Structural Kinematics 103 S Southgate Dr, Chandler, AZ sic 871199-engineering services, nec EG&G Process Measurements, Inc 4250 E Broadway Rd, Phoenix, AZ sic 3823-measurement control devices, mfg EG&G Defense Materials Inc, 11600 Stark Rd, Tooele, UT sic 3823-measurement control devices, mfg EG&G Rocky Flats, Inc, Box #464, Golden, CO sic 3999-manufacturing industries nec EG&G Special Projects, Inc 821 Grier Dr, Las Vegas, NV sic 8744-facilities support services EG&G companies not listed, but shown in California Corporations are: EG&G JAVA DRIVE, GEOMETRICS INTERNATIONAL, BERKLEONICS, ALMOND INSTRUMENTS, EG&G KT AEORFAB (EL CAJON), STEVENS AIR SYSTEMS, ESSEX PLACE, EG&G SCANRAY, CROSBY DRIVE ASTROPHYSICS, SCANRAY INTERNATIONAL & EG&G DYNATREND .... The list goes on. Some of these companies have been dissolved, name changed and others still active are not listed in telephone directories. Suffice to say, EG&G does not appear to be principally involved in facilities management. ------------------------------ From: jkbacon@pacifier.com (Kirk Bacon) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 23:03:10 -0700 Subject: Re:EG&G, NEST and other stuff Anecdotal stuff about EG&G follows: I visited an EG&G facility in the Santa Barbara, CA area back in 1975. I was doing a High School science project on X-rays, and asked them if they would help me. While inside I saw a spectral plot of a recent underground A-bomb test. They also had some very hot radiaoactive material (cobalt-xx?) in a enormous lead container, and a very powerful X-ray machine. Said machine put out sufficient energy to fry the thumb of a hapless worker who forgot it was on. Anyway, the primary purpose of this facility seemed to be radiation dosimetry and telemetry for nuke tests at the Nevada Test Site. About 4 years ago while on a commercial flight, I struck up a conversation with an older gentleman who happened to be reading AW&ST. I asked him if he was a pilot, and he said he was. Turned out he was/had been the Chief Pilot for EG&G. He had flown telemetry missions for just about every above/below ground nuke test we have ever done (and lived through it). He was also part of NEST (Nuclear Emergency Search Team). He related a story about a nuke bomb threat against the Union Oil refinery near San Pedro, CA. Apparently there was enough detailed info to make the threat credible, and NEST was activated. The threat was a hoax, San Pedro wasn't turned into glass, and if you want to hide a nuke device put it in the bottom of a swimming pool and it probably won't be found. ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #286 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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