From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #295 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Friday, 9 June 1995 Volume 05 : Number 295 In this issue: zoomall.jpg Re: From Cornet's web publication Re: zoomall.jpg Re: zoomall.jpg See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kuryakin@arn.net (Illya Kuryakin) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:02:27 -0500 Subject: zoomall.jpg weellllll... _That_ little post generated some responses. X} It was a judgement call... I was using a radically different means to post the email.. from a newsreader. It didnae' work. Of course. I didn't know until I tried it. I'll reply to individual requests vial... some of the mac files are going out now. I'd prevfer to email the jpeg, if you can swallow them. For PC users... or othersthat request it... I'll send a gif file as soon as I get 'who' sorted out. Will be a larger file, however. Thanks for your patience. (And a one time blitz of your mailbox! X} instructions if you got both files. Take part one. Delete all the headers up to and including the 'Cut Here' line. save. Take part two. Delete the headers and all lines up to the first line that starts with '^M' or whatever.... but _NOT_ the first line. Save. Append two files together and run it through your favorite uudecoder. Resulting file should be a jpg file. Otherwise... send me email, if you want me to send it, and tell me what kind of computer you have if you've any questions... and what kind of graphics file your program can handle. (Not all, apparently, can handle a GIF or JPEG.) Tell me what kind of mailer you have (is it Eudora? or MIME compliant?) and what kind of encryption you can handle. (.arc, .tff, .arj, .uu, .hqx, .etc) ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Thu, 08 Jun 95 15:05:35 EST Subject: Re: From Cornet's web publication Forwarded by: Terry W. Colvin Voice: [520]538-5392 U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program FAX: [520]538-5435 Air Tasking Orders [Desert Storm I] DSN: 879-5392 Fort Huachuca (Cochise County), Arizona USA "No editor ever likes the way a story tastes unless he pees in it first." -Mark Twain ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: From Cornet's web publication Author: "steven.johnson@mail.admin.wisc.edu" <"Steven V.Johnson"@mail.admin.wisc.edu> at smtp Date: 8/6/1995 3:43 PM In <199506070112.VAA17642@hTSO01.Cin.IX.net>, "Garrison L. Hilliard" writes: >FORWARDED FROM: /mail/52/usr5259a(#2458) From:carr#m#_paul@msgw.vf.mmc.com(Carr, Paul) >I found the folowing very telling: > > >"I can say unequivocally that these are not conventional >military aircraft, but I cannot rule out the possibility >that I am photographing hybrid technology. My question is >why would the military put on displays for my camera, >unless I am in some way linked to a secret government >program to gradually inform and educate the public? I >prefer to think that the aliens are using hybrid >technology or conventional facsimile as a means of >camouflage, and that they want to educate the public >through a controlled outlet of information. Conventional >sounds, craft with unfoldable wings, and running lights >are used to compromise interpretation in order to lessen >or eliminate conflict and shock, and to provide escape >from an unacceptable conclusion, i.e. plausible denial. I >have met numerous witnesses who cannot accept these craft >as alien, and who will quickly use facsimile sounds and >light patterns to conclude that it was just conventional >aircraft that flew over them. You can tell when a person >is having a problem when he looks at the details. But the >truth is in the details, as my photographic analysis >below will indicate. " > >In other words, these sightings are associated with "Conventional >sounds, craft with unfoldable wings, and running lights", and still are >interpreted as alien craft? But these are obviously fake wings and fake >running lights? What immediately comes to mind is the famous phrase: "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..." Indeed, it is an appropriate question to ask. On the other hand Dr. Cornet attempts to show in his photographic evidence that these craft do not always behave in conventional ways. For example, he has time exposures of the craft performing bizarre, spirals, alternateing back-and-forth looping, and double helix signatures. He has also claims to have photographed the craft producing bright lumunous plasma bubbles of nitrus oxide. According to Dr. Cornet, produceing these kind of unusual anomalies would be impossible for conventional craft. >If I look up at lights in the sky and see running lights and wings, and hear >engine noises, then I knock the 'U' off of 'UFO.' But then, if one is willing to take a closer look at the photographic evidnece and accompanying charts other possiblities could be suggested. >This is the same guy who promoted Hoagland's lunar anomalies hypothesis, I >believe. Indeed, you are correct. I attended Dr. Cornet's "Lunar Anomalies" lecture at the Tampa, Florida UFO convention held last month. It was a well attended lecture filled with provocative slides. I have ordered a video tape of the lecture for my own personal records. While I may not have agreed with all of Dr. Cornet's personal speculations on the subject of lunar anomalies he has caused me to rethink a number of my personal paraidgms, and to that end I am grateful for Dr. Cornet's input. It is obvious to many that Dr. Cornet is a highly controversial figure, even by UFOlogy standards. Adding to the controversy is the fact that Dr. Corent recently wrote a letter of "defense" to Dr. John Mack. Perhaps because of Cornet's controversial positions I've noticed that certain famous UFO investigators (UFO investigators who may feel they have personal reputations to protect) seem to be maintaining what apprears to be a careful distance. It is as if they are waiting to see what will become of Cornet before they might be willing to add their own opinions - for the public record. While I can understand this cautionary approach sooner or later someone has to be willing to get his information out into the public arena so that society as a collective entity can begin to evaluate his data and make up their their own minds. That is why I produced (with Dr. Cornet's permission) the Dr. Bruce Cornet Special Presentation WEB page which can be accessed at: http://orion.adp.wisc.edu/bcornet1 I urge all interested UFO investigators, researchers, and scholars to investigate his evidence for themselves. Make up your own minds. While at the moment I may not necessarily agree with all of Dr. Cornet's personal speculations after meeting him I came away with the feeling that he is a thoughtful, intelligent individual who deserves to have his evidence evaluated by serious investigators. Dr. Cornet already has numerous scientific publications under his belt including a recent article printed in the January 1995 issue of Discover magazine. I feel that Dr. Cornet has approached the collection of his controversial UFO evidence by using traditional scientific methodology, as all professional scientist are required to do. >============================================================ >Paul Carr >Lockheed Martin Astro Space (for whom I do not speak) >Carr#m#_Paul@msgw.vf.mmc.com > >"Reason and Ignorance, the opposites of each other, influence the >great bulk of mankind. If either of these can be rendered >sufficiently extensive in a country, the machinery of Government goes >easily on. Reason obeys itself, and Ignorance submits to whatever is >dictated to it." > >- - - Thomas Paine, _The Rights of Man_ >============================================================ Steve - --------------------------------------------------- Respectfully, Steven Vincent Johnson Division of Information Technology DoIT University of Wisconsin, Madison INTERNET (work): steven.johnson@mail.admin.wisc.edu INTERNET (home): sjohns19@facstaff.wisc.edu Web page: http://orion.adp.wisc.edu ------------------------------ From: czbb062 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 18:05:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: zoomall.jpg I downloaded Illya's picture and blowups. While #4 seems to be an aircraft, #5 seems more like what photographers call caca, that is dirt specks that got on the film before exposure or during processing. My $.02 worth. Michael Eisenstadt (czbb062@access.texas.gov) ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: zoomall.jpg I had no problems with the picture. I looked at it, and wondered if the two bright spots to the left are stars, planes or artifacts. If there will be any higher resolution pictures, I would like to get them (via email), too. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #295 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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