From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #316 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 28 June 1995 Volume 05 : Number 316 In this issue: New skunk technologies Re: Antigravity in Jane's Re: Antigravity in Jane's See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K. Krzysztofowicz" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:13:21 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: New skunk technologies Hi, In last issue of Jane's Defence Weekly was interesting to all skunkers story about future military technologies, especially in aviation. The cover story title was Vision 2020 - turning science-fiction into fact. One interesting sentence; "Lawrence D Bell said in 1956 - we're already working with equipment to cancel our gravity; and my description The USAF preparing special repoerts when giving its vision of future war technologies. The aim of this work is to look 25 to 30 years ahed. The latest examlpe of such work is study Project Forecast II published in 1985. Since 1990 such report were not published. hypersonics Forecast II sad: The air force will be able to go into space and de-orbit on demand as a rsult of the improved understending of hypersonic aerodynamics, particulary in mach 8 and mach 25 regime. One of kay goals of Defence Technology Plan issued by Air force was "flight demondtration of Mach 8 hydrocarbon fuelled scramjet" by 2005. Gas turbine IHPTET (Integrated High Performance Turbine Engine Technology) by 2005 will be deliwery 100 % thrust-to-weight ratio imrovements over current fighter jet engines. Stealth BAe established its Skunk Works in Warton and Gernas tested in wind tunnel models of stealth fighter Lampyridae in mid-1980 when F117 program was steel top classfied. Probably third generation stelath plane is under test in USA "perheps even in service for mission spanning strike and defence suppresion as well and tactical and strategic reconnaissance". Beyond 2001 "The 1990 unclassfied 'electric propulsion study' (a quest for antigravity propulsion system by another name) conducted by the USA's Science Applications International Corp on behalf of USAF's then Astronautics Laboratory at Edwards AFB, shows that USAF's visionaries are still being given free rein. Until recently BAe also provided internal resources for its own anti-gravity studies and even went so far to outline this thinking with artist' concepts (some presentes - KK). at the and Ben Rich quotation: "We have some new things. We are not stagnating. What we are doing is updating ourselves, without advertaising. There are some new programmes and there are certain things - some of them 20 or 30 yers old - that are still breakthroughs and appriopriate to keep quiet about. Other people don't have them jet." Krzysztof Krzysztofowicz - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Materials Science Department Email: kkrzyszt@sunrise.pg.gda.pl Faculty of Mechanical Engineering Snail: Narutowicza 11/12 Technical University of Gdansk 80-952 GDANSK tel. (+4858) 47-19-63 POLAND fax. (+4858) 47-10-25 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 16:52:36 EST Subject: Re: Antigravity in Jane's Forwarded by: Terry W. Colvin Voice: [520]538-5392 U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program FAX: [520]538-5435 Air Tasking Orders [Desert Storm I] DSN: 879-5392 Fort Huachuca (Cochise County), Arizona USA "No editor ever likes the way a story tastes unless he pees in it first." -Mark Twain ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Anti-gravity in Jane's Author: General discussion about UFO related phenomenon at smtp Date: 23/6/1995 1:00 AM I'm sorry if this is a dead thread, but I have not yet caught up on my email. Several people asked about the Jane's article. First off, I don't think Jane's is sold on newsstands. A subscription costs a couple of hundred dollars a year, so subscribers are mainly institutions. The Huntsville (AL) public library has it. I'd recommend checking at your local military base or defense contractor (sorry, been reading Campbell's newsletter!). I'll summarize what I remember of the article. I think it was called "Towards the 21st Century" or something similar. Much of it dealt with a description of hypersonic research. Aurora was mentioned, and Jane's seemed to think that the craft was ficticious. The antigravity research was mentioned after that. A 1956 quote by someone (Bill Lear?) was given, to the effect that antigravity research was a hot topic at that time. The U.S. Air Force has apparently maintained such research at a low level ever since. I am aware of electric propulsion for space travel... it involves accelerating heavy ions (usually cesium) to high velocities via electric fields. Such engines have typical values of Isp in the thousands but produce low thrust (in the 0.1 to 10 pound range) so they cannot be used to boost vehicles from the Earth's surface. They can operate for months in a vacuum, however, and so may be a useful method for pushing cargoes around the Solar System. In classical physics, one can produce a particular kind of field by varying another. For instance, the high-voltage spark ignition in older cars (an electric field of up to 100,000 volts/cm) is produced by rapidly collapsing a magnetic field in the coil. Modern physics presently recognizes four fields: electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear, and gravity. Most physicists believe that there must be some relationship between them, because most theories predict that at sufficiently high energies the fields blend together into a superfield. Gravity seems to be always attractive, but Einstein introduced repulsion into general relativity to prevent his model universe from expanding or contracting. He later called this fudge "...the greatest mistake of my life..." but some later theories have called for gravitational repulsion as well. Some months ago I posted a summary of an article in the local paper about Drs. Douglas Torr and Ning Li, who had devised a method called "gravito-electric-electric coupling via superconductivity". The theoretical basis of their work came from general relativity, and I believe they were attempting to create a "gravito-electric field" somewhat analogous to an electromagnetic field. I believe that the title of the SAIC study, "Electric Propulsion", derives from the term above. As I recall, Torr and Li claimed that (given money and time) they could produce a 1-G field in any direction they chose. Michael Flora ------------------------------ From: chosa@chosa.win.net (Byron Weber) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:05:20 Subject: Re: Antigravity in Jane's _________________________________ >Subject: Re: Anti-gravity in Jane's >Author: General discussion about UFO related phenomenon > at smtp >Date: 23/6/1995 1:00 AM > > I have done some research on this subject and here is a brief outline of information I have gathered. In 1956 The Gravity Research Group, UK, prepared a report titled Electrogravitics Systems, apparently for the USAF. The document may have been classified until 1994 but it can now be found in the Wright-Patterson Library and is available on the www, search: gravity or electrostatic. The study was based on experiments by T.Townsend Brown (ala Tesla) with a description of two saucers built in 1954 and demonstrated for the Air Force in which they achieved a forward propulsion of 30fps with opposing electrostatic charges +/- top and bottom of craft only. The author describes the event, Project Winterhaven, as exciting as the first demonstration of sustained fusion. It seems Gravity Rand (possibly a unit of Rand Corp) did a feasibility study. I can't find that report. The assumtion made by Brown that this was antigravitational is probably erroneous since his mathmatics imply a nonsensical negative mass. Enough interest was generated, however, to entice many defense contractors to further develope the theory. The author of the paper states no real progress will be made until the four forces are unified, a feat still far from accomplished considering no one has, as yet, even verified the existence of gravity waves or gravitons. And, unification will probably require the discovery of the Higgs Bosom, unlikely now with the Texas cyclotron project gone. Still, Brown could have been onto something and the Gravity Research Group seemed satisfied the principles were amply demonstrated, with an unsettling note referencing weapons use. There is no current information I can find using the terms Brown used, gravitics, gravitator, modulation, counterbary, etc. Related hot topics in contemporary science are: ion propulsion, electrostatic motors, electric propulsion, electrostatic electrics, condensed matter research and various nuclear projects. The B2 purportedly uses this technology leaked by renegade scientists and engineers and published in AW&ST March 9, 1992. Maybe Mary has an copy? Also, it is my personal opinion that Project HAARP is somehow related to this technology. Byron Weber ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #316 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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