From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #347 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Monday, 10 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 347 In this issue: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #346 Speed of Sound Re- speed of sound Re: Speed of Sound Re: Undeliverable Message See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bobz@trystero.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 08:18:02 +0400 Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #346 How about fixing the list server? - --- Bob http://www.trystero.com/kirwaido.html ------------------------------ From: dougt@u011.oh.vp.com (Doug Tiffany) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 9:29:30 EDT Subject: Speed of Sound As long as it's quiet, I was wondering if someone could explain the speed of sound to me. As I understand it, it's 750 MPH at sea level. I also assume it gets slower at higher elevations. I would imagine because the air is thinner. Does wind speed at different elevations also play a part in it? Is there a way of calculating mach speeds at say 50,000 ft? 75,000 ft? Thanks in advance! - -- A hundred years from now, it will not matter what kind of house I live in, how much is in my bank account, or what kind of car I drive, but the world may be a different place because I was important in the life of a child. Douglas J. Tiffany dougt@u011.oh.vp.com Varco-Pruden Buildings Van Wert, Ohio ------------------------------ From: "Matt Velazquez" Date: 10 Jul 1995 10:45:26 U Subject: Re- speed of sound Re: speed of sound The speed of sound is solely a function of temperature. The exact relation is Vsound = sqrt(gamma*R*T), where gamma is the ratio of specific heats (air gamma = 1.4), and R is the normalized ideal gas constant (air R = 287 or thereabouts). The exact speed is, therefore, a function of the atmospheric temperature profile. If you look at the standard atmosphere, the troposphere (0 to ~11 km) has a linear decrease in temperature with altitude (i.e. T = To - K*h), from 15C at sea level to -56.5C at 11 km. The lower stratosphere (11-20 km) is isothermal at -56.5C. Thus, in this region, you could ostensibly fly at constant indicated airspeed and your Mach number would increase as you ascended. Above 20 km (65,000 ft), the tem- perature begins to increase again, all the way up to 60 km (200,000 ft). It gets as high as 70.8C before it begins to drop again. Slightly off-topic, but an interesting question nonetheless: does anyone know at what altitude or IAS the Shuttle is when it passes through Mach 25 in the entry? I caught that snippet of conversation between Story Musgrave and the Atlantis crew on the last mission, and was curious. -T T Velazquez Aurora Flight Sciences (no, not THAT Aurora) ------------------------------ From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:02:36 PDT Subject: Re: Speed of Sound Without a lot of explanation, the speed of sound gets slower as you go up (for a while) because the temperature changes. The speed of sound is the velocity (rms) that the "air" molecules move about, which of course, is a temperature phenomina. The density has no effect (until you get over about 100k ft, and its still almost negligable) The speed of sound (a) can be calculated as a=sqrt(gamma*R*T) where gamma is the ratio of specific heats (Cp/Cv) <-better check that could be inv() R is the gas constant =Rbar/m and T is the temperature in Kelvins or degrees Rankine as appropriate. and the Mach number is V/a This is why the initial tries at going Mach 1 were done while climbing. What Ridley had them do was hold the velocity and change the Mach number! Chuck ------------------------------ From: wizard@sccsi.com (John F. Regus) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:36:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Undeliverable Message Notice: Your system configuration for returning undeliverable mail has caused an enormous amount of inconvenience for the members of this newsgroup. Please stop sending notification messages to the entire newsgroup. >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #344 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 9 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 344 > >In this issue: > > Re: More on Ramjet (SR71) speed limitations > Skunkstock '95 > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: "Ted Gustafson" >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 22:36:47 -0400 >Subject: Re: More on Ramjet (SR71) speed limitations > >In reply to Chuck Smith, >larry@ichips.intel.com writes: > >>A photo of the inlet spike retracted full back, that is, as the inlet spike >>is full back at max cruise. > >(snip snip...) > >>To help them a little here, 'that angle' you mention, is the angle that the >>cone shock off the inlet spike makes when the cone shock off the inlet >>spike tip meets the inlet cowl lip. At max cruise, that is where the inlet >>spike shock will be because that is the minimum drag configuration for the >>spike shock. > >If the purpose of the movable inlet spike at supersonic speeds is >simply to position the spike shock such that it intersects the lip of >the inlet cowl, then it seems that at max Mach number, the spike >would have to be at an extended--as opposed to fully >retracted--position relative to a less than Mmax condition. This >because the spike shock is more swept back with increasing Mach >number, and, therefore, the spike itself would have to be positioned >farther forward (relative to a lower Mach number condition) for the >spike shock to intersect the inlet cowl. I'm sure there must be >other considerations involved. Hmm, what am I missing here? > >>Also, usually the theta-beta-Mach no. charts in compressible flow books are >>for 2-D wedges and not 3-D cones. It will be close but as we know, cones >>have another degree of freedom and the angles of shocks through cones are >>slightly different than for wedge generated shocks. There are charts >>available for cones if you want to be very precise. > >Yes that's right. And to offer a further note, for a given Mach >number, the shock angle of a cone will be slightly less than that for >a 2-D wedge of the same half-angle. > >To the students: If you can find one, an oldie but goodie you >should try to get is a copy of NACA 1135. It has a family of >theta-beta-Mach no. charts for cones as well as wedges along with a >host of other goodies for supersonic and hypersonic flow. The only >problem is I think it's long out of print now, so it may be hard to find >a copy. (I got mine when I was in college, but that was back in the >1960s!) > > >------------------------------ > >From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 23:23:56 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Skunkstock '95 > >This is an open invitation to 'Skunkstock '95', which will be held on July >22, at the "Wing And A Prayer" pub, near Edwards AFB. Kathryn and I are >making a trip through the Southwest, and decided to take the opportunity to >meet as many 'Skunkers' as possible, to talk and have fun. Everyone is >welcome! > >Because we will embark on our trip on Tuesday, July 11, there is not much >time for an rsvp or planning. If you want to participate, drop us an email >before Tuesday evening, or just show up there. > >Peter Merlin (Xelex@aol.com), who knows the proprietors, talked with them, >so we are expected, but it would be nice to know approximately, how many >people will come. We will post the address, telephone number and directions >tomorrow, when we get them. :) > >Maybe we can organize some sort of field trip to Palmdale, Edwards AFB, >or some other interesting thing -- like a tour of the Skunk Works. :) > >Hope we will see all of you there, > >- -- Andreas and Kathryn > >- --- --- > Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org > 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu > Flint, MI 48502-1239 > Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ >- --- --- > >------------------------------ > >From: >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 20:47:30 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #343 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. 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Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. 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Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows - ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 9 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 340 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable mail is swamping us! > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: jde1@ix.netcom.com (Jerry Ennis ) >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 07:54:57 -0700 >Subject: Undeliverable mail is swamping us! > >Hopefully you will see first thing Monday that the undeliverable mail to one >subscriber to the mailing list is swamping mailboxes and you will cancel that >person immediately. >I know you will do all this without my help, but, after deleting the thing for >what seems like the 10-12th time this weekend, I just "had" to do something. >Humor me. :) > >- - - - ------------------------------ > >From: >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 9:55:11 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #339 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. 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If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 9 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 339 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 7:36:48 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #338 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows - ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 9 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 338 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 5:09:47 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #337 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows - ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 9 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 337 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 2:40:58 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #336 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows - ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Sunday, 9 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 336 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 0:35:42 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #335 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows - ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 335 > >In this issue: > > Re: #1(2) Skunk Works Digest V5 #327 > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: ConsLaw@aol.com >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 23:32:30 -0400 >Subject: Re: #1(2) Skunk Works Digest V5 #327 > >Once upon a time, Trader@portal.cup shaped the electrons to say ><(My own guess is >that Groom Lake base workers probably fly to Las Vegas on Monday mornings, >stay in motels or hotels in Vegas during the week, while they fly out to >Groom each day, and then return back to Southern California on Friday> > >Perhaps, that would account for the "Judy" flights, but what about the 30 >dormitory buildings at the Groom base (See the security manual posted on the >Internet or the "Shadowhawk" blueprints)? If the scale on these documents >are correct, each of these dormitories is about 300 feet long. >evenings.) > >- - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 22:23:41 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #334 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows - ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 334 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 20:27:51 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #333 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows - ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 333 > >In this issue: > > Re: Lockheed affiliation > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 20:10:35 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Lockheed affiliation > >Lockheed was a big and diversified organization before the acquisition of >General Dynamics Fort Worth plant, and the merger with Martin Marietta. > >Divisions of Lockheed, involved in RPV/UAV production and equipping, which >might have had dealings with Teledyne Ryan Aeronautics (TRA) include: > >* Lockheed Aeronautics Corporation >* Lockheed Missiles and Space Corporation (LMSC) >* Lockheed Advanced Development Projects/Corporation (LADP/LADC) >* Lockheed Sanders >* Lockheed Communications Systems Corporation >* Lockheed Control Systems Corporation >* Lockheed Defense Systems Corporation >* Lockheed Electronics and Missiles Corporation >* Lockheed Government Electronics Systems Corporation >* Lockheed Ocean, Radar & Sensor Systems Corporation >* and probably others > >Many TRA drones were carried, launched and controlled from Lockheed aircraft, >like the DC-130 and NC-130 Hercules and DP-2 Neptunes. During the Vietnam >war, operations of U-2s and AQM-34s were combined in the 4080th/100th SRW, >and as far as I know, they used a lot common equipment, like cameras, SIGINT >and other electronics gear. > >As everyone knows, NAS Miramar is the home of 'Top Gun', the Navy Fighter >Weapons School (NFWS), which extensively uses TRA-built target drones. > >There are many possible connections, for example the 'Have Lemon' program >of the early 1970s, which was a USAF 'Defense Suppression' program, >consisting of 6 different tasks. Task 05 resulted in the AGM-65, Stubby >HOBO, and Paveway carying BGM-34A and BGM-34B, tested by the 6514th TESTS >at Edwards AFB. Maybe one of Lockheed's divisions had one of the other tasks? > >- - - - - - - - - - - - -- Andreas > >- - - - - - - - - - - - --- - --- > Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org > 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu > Flint, MI 48502-1239 > Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ >- - - - - - - - - - - - --- - --- > > >- - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 18:41:56 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #332 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 332 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 16:56:45 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #331 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows - ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 331 > >In this issue: > > Lockheed affiliation > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: chosa@chosa.win.net (Byron Weber) >Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 13:27:41 >Subject: Lockheed affiliation > >Can anyone tell me if Lockheed has ever been involved in a project >with Teledyne-Ryan, possibly at Miramar? Of course, Teledyne-Ryan >is doing the Tier II-plus. Anyone know its statis? > >Byron Weber > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 14:55:08 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #330 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 330 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 12:38:55 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #329 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. 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Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 328 > >In this issue: > > Undeliverable Message > XV23 > Re: XV23 - NOT > Re: XV23 - NOT > Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #327 > RPV instrument package question > AW&ST: June 26 / July 3 > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 2:05:36 PDT >Subject: Undeliverable Message > >To: skunk-works-digest@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >Cc: >Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #327 > >Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM >error codes. > > VNM3043: Rick Ammon@MFG@EXTRA > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------ Error number Explanation Follows ------------------- > >VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL. > > The message cannot be delivered because the > recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of > messages, as set by the system administrator. The > recipient must delete some messages before any > other messages can be delivered. > > The default limit is 1000 messages. Administrators > can set lower limits if required using the Change > mailbox settings function available in the Manage > User menu (MUSER). The 1000 message limit is the > maximum allowed by the Mail program. If this limit > is reached, the recipient must delete some of > the messages before the mailbox can accept any more > incoming messages. > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- > >Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 8 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 327 > >In this issue: > > Re: Me again... :) > re: SR-71 top speed > a reply to your note > US RPV Deployed in Albania ?! > RE: US RPV Deployed in Albania ?! > Sea Shadow retires > Re: Me again... :) > Re: US RPV Deployed in Albania ?! > B-35/B-49 > Michael Rust > X-35 > Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #325 > Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #325 > Site 6 (Plant 42) surveillance report > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works >or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: George Allegrezza 07-Jul-1995 0703 >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 07:07:37 EDT >Subject: Re: Me again... :) > >Off charter but . . didn't the Air Defense Force (or whatever it was) >Air Marshall literally get taken out and shot as a result of the Rust >incident? > >George > >George Allegrezza | >Digital Equipment Corporation | "He has a perfect face for radio." >Mobile Systems Business | >Littleton MA USA | -- from "Quiz Show" >allegrezza@ljsrv2.enet.dec.com | > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: albert.dobyns@mwbbs.com (ALBERT DOBYNS) >Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 01:33:00 -0500 >Subject: re: SR-71 top speed > > > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:40:54 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Mary Shafer > > Subject: Re: D-21 and SR-71 > > Message-Id: > >MS> The SR-71 can go up to about Mach 3.3 or 500 KEAS (fig. 5-3 in the > > Dash 1). It's an inlet temperature thing. Anything higher is > > nonsense. > >MS> The Machmeter only goes to 4, too. > >Mary, this reminds, in an odd way perhaps, what happened to my old >1966 Chevelle on one extremely cold day in Chicago. My son started >to drive somewhere and the speedometer needle wouldn't move much; a >common thing for this old car in cold climate. I think the cable had >condensation in it and it froze which prevented the cable from turning. >Well all of a sudden the highly wound up cable overcame the resistance >of the frozen water, grease, whatever. My son reported that this time >the needle flew beyond the max speed on the panel (120 mph I think). He >said it went off scale and never returned! I guess the cable snapped >the needle off the shaft. By that time we had about 220K miles on the >car so we decided not to waste time or money fixing it. We would just >drive until we were going at a speed that sounded right for the posted >speed limit. > >I think a Machmeter that only goes to 4 is more than enough for real >SR-71 pilots. I hope the person who posted the note you replied to >will pardon my sarcasm. It's just that you and a lot of other people >have heard such high numbers before that a bit of sarcasm (my note, >not your reply) is bound to leak out now and then. I don't know why >my old car's speedometer had a maximum number of 120 mph. By the time >it was going 70 mph, there was enough shaking and rattling that it was >obvious that it wasn't wise to try to squeeze more speed out of it! >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: albert.dobyns@mwbbs.com (ALBERT DOBYNS) >Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 01:30:00 -0500 >Subject: a reply to your note > > > Message-Id: > > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 00:43:14 -0600 > > From: whl@mcs.com (William H. Leininger) > > Subject: Re: Vulcan crash at Glenview > >WHL> The crash, which was indeed during a practice, was into a landfill > > north of the base. I live not too far away, and frequently saw the > > Vulcan in previous years when it was in town for the show. (One > > time I was in the Northwestern University tech library when the > > Vulcan passed over and went into a climb out over the lake. I > > concur with those on the list who say > > it was one of the noisiest planes to be in the exhaust stream of.) > >WHL> I do seem to recall that all the crew was killed, but as it hit a > > landfill, there were no other fatalities. > >WHL> The last vulcan is indeed retired; I believe there was an article > > in Smithsonian Air & Space on the subject 1 - 2 years ago. The > > last ones were used in air shows. > >WHL> If you don't get any more definite replies, let me know. I can > > probably get you the date, but it would take some digging which I > > won't have time for this month. > >Thanks for the info. It's a lucky thing if crashed into a landfill >rather than an apartment complex. Perhaps someone else has info on >the cause of the crash. I really don't expect you to dig futher. I >think you filled in some gaps and that's very much appreciated. The >last image in my mind from the newscasts is that some RAF officer who >flew from England to here to investigate the accident talked with >reporters briefly. It was obvious from the expression on his face that >he agreed with the reporter that it was an unfortunate tradgedy for >the family's of the dead crewmen. I think the reporter knew that the >officer had only recently arrived so he didn't ask the usual question >about what happened. > >This is quite a contrast to a tv news segment about a restored plane >that crashed at DuPage airport. The on-the-scene reported said there >were 2 people on board: pilot and their mechanic and that both perished. >Then the newscast switches back to the studio where the newsperson >asked about the fate of the passengers. It had already been established >that there were no passengers. > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: "Michael F. Peyton" <0003248388@mcimail.com> >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 10:53 EST >Subject: US RPV Deployed in Albania ?! > > I caught, out of the corner of my ear, a NPR broadcast the afternoon of 7/6/95 >that reported that the US was deploying a RPV at an airfield in Albania. The >report said that it was still in crates and was planned to be used for >surveilance over the former Yugoslovia. It was not clear if this is one of the >new high speed / high flyer models that we have been talking about here. It >might well be one of the many US Army low speed / low flying models that have >been around for quite a while. > > The main reason to post here is that this might be one of the first >deployments of the new technologies. Please post a note if anyone has more >information, or can verify, or correct the story. I did scan the 7/7/95 >Washington Post and did not see any story. > > I also this it is absolutely amazing that Albania would have anything to do >with the US, after all the anti-America trash coming out of Abainia in past >years. Maybe I got the country wrong, but I am sure that is what I heard, as >that is what caught my attention. It does make sense, of sorts, because Albania >is strategicly placed for operations into the former Yugoslovia. > > > Mike Peyton mpeyton@mcimail.com > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: George Allegrezza 07-Jul-1995 1355 >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 14:06:30 EDT >Subject: RE: US RPV Deployed in Albania ?! > >It's probably the General Atomics Predator UAV. It's a small piston-powered >low-flying system. All the high-tech is in the sensor package and the data >link. It's cheap, easy to use, and in the Yugoslavian environment, not >especially vulnerable, because it's small size makes identification, let alone >interception, difficult. > >The CIA had a Predator in Albania last year. It worked out well. > >I think Albania has read the papers and knows that the USSR is dead, thus they >have to open up to the west. It's a pretty poor country, too, so they need aid >and investment, regardless of their nominal ideology. They'll drop the >anti-American routine in a heartbeat if it means Uncle Sam (and Uncle Hans and >Uncle Francois) bring in some hard currency. Letting the CIA operate a >surveillance operation within their borders is one small way to show they care. >:-) > >George > >George Allegrezza | >Digital Equipment Corporation | "He has a perfect face for radio." >Mobile Systems Business | >Littleton MA USA | -- from "Quiz Show" >allegrezza@ljsrv2.enet.dec.com | > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: Dave Cox >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 12:37:10 >Subject: Sea Shadow retires > >>From the San Diego Union 07/07/95 p. B2 > >Formerly top-secret stealth ship slips unnoticed into retirement. > >"Even in retirement, the Navy's stealth ship is pretty sneaky. > >The once-classified Sea Shadow, housed inside a giant barge, slipped >into San Diego without fanfare or much notice in late May, Navy >officials confirmed. > >Even the Pentagon public affairs officer assigned to answer questions >about the ship was unaware it had moved from San Francisco Bay to San >Diego. > >The sea shadow and its barge are tied up near Pier 14 at the San Deigo >Naval Station at 32nd Street said local Navy spokeswoman Julie Swan. >It is alongside other derelicts and Navy has-beens. > >[...] > >The Sea Shadow's retirement is indefinite, Swan said." > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --dave > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: "Robin J. Lee" >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 12:52:24 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Re: Me again... :) > >On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, George Allegrezza 07-Jul-1995 0703 wrote: > >> Off charter but . . didn't the Air Defense Force (or whatever it was) >> Air Marshall literally get taken out and shot as a result of the Rust >> incident? > >Not shot, but put out to pasture along with the Defense Minister, pretty >much as a consolidating move by Gorbachev in order to bludgeon the crusty >old generals left over from the Brezhnev era into line. > >As an interesting sidenote, Alexander Zuyev claims that a Voyska PVO >(Air Defense) MiG-23 pilot did run a visual intercept on Rust's Cessna >172 and was flatly told that he was looking at a flock of birds. > >(Gorby's handpicked successor to the Defense Ministry, Dimitri Yazov, was >of course later involved up to his shoulderboards in the August '91 >coup. Maybe it would've been better for everybody if they dressed up >Rust in a suit of tin foil and claimed he arrived in a UFO. But then >we'd REALLY be off-charter.) > > >Back to lurking, > > >Robin. >____________________________________________________________________________ >Robin J. Lee amraam@netcom.com >Vulture's Row Worldwide Web Page URL: http://webcom.com/~amraam/ > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:32:33 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: US RPV Deployed in Albania ?! > >The USAF has deployed about 100 personnel to Albania, to support the >first operational mission of the new Tier 2 UAV, the General Atomics >'Predator'. > >The UAV, of which 10 are in the US military service, was tested very >successfully during the 'Roving Sands' exercise, earlier this year in the >USA. It uses Line-Of-Sight (LOS) data links to relay visual, InfraRed and >radar pictures to a mobile ground station or to an airborne relay aircraft >(for example a Schweizer RG-8A motor glider). Some are also equipped with >a satellite data link for Over-The-Horizon (OTH) operations. I have no >idea though, if the deployed Tier 2s are OTH or only LOS equipped. > >The most astonishing part to me is, that the CIA was allowed already to fly >surveillance missions out of Albania last year, using their Tier 1 UAV, >based on the General Atomics 'Gnat 750'. They also used an RG-8A flying out >of Tirana (?). > >Albania is not only the poorest European country, but until the communist >regime was overthrown in 1991 (?), was one of the most closed societies, >together with other communist-ruled countries, like North Korea and the PRC. >After hundreds of thousands fled over the Adriatic Sea to Italy, it seems >that the Western European countries and the USA are helping Albania for >various reasons. > >Most countries in Europe, especially Italy, don't want to be flooded by >Albanian refugees, and the USA is very happy to have an outpost for its >military and surveillance operations in the area. The USA is also conducting >joint military exercises in Albania and Hungary, right now, as they did >before with Russia and the Ukraine. Albania is also obviously afraid of the >Serbians in Yugoslavia, and is concerned about the Albanians living in the >Kosovo (sp ?) region in Yugoslavia. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Andreas > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- - --- > Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org > 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu > Flint, MI 48502-1239 > Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- - --- > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:39:34 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: B-35/B-49 > >There are several reasons, why the Northrop flying wings B-35 and B-49 >did not go into production. The major reason the B-35 lost out against >the B-36 was probably because the layout, size and weight of the early US >nuclear weapons were so secret, that the engineers at Convair and Northrop >had to design those bombers without any data concerning those weapons. >Convair, with its 'real big' B-36 was much luckier than Northrop, with >its 'real elegant' B-35 in this respect. The weapons bays of the B-35s >were too small to accommodate those bombs (Mk.I, Mk.III, and Mk.IV). > >At the beginning, the B-35 showed some instability problems, which could >have been overcome, but the cancellation of the project prevented this. The >B-49s had even more problems, missing the stabilizing effects of the engine >nacells, and the propellers (originally even counter-rotating), so they had >to add fins. > >Northrop had also to fight on the 'political front' against some people >in the 'Industrial-Military-Complex', who wanted him to merge with Convair, >which he refused. It ended with Northrop being forced to destroy all of the >USAF-owned B-35s and B-49s, the remains of which were then sold for scrap. > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Andreas > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- - --- > Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org > 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu > Flint, MI 48502-1239 > Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- - --- > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > >From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Michael Rust > >Michael Rust was a disturbed kid. He did this stunt flight in the Cessna >172 to get attention. One could say he was not as crazy as the guy who crash >landed on the White House lawn, but he did endanger himself and a whole lot >of people, when he landed on the 'Red Square' in Moscow. After he served >some time in a Russian prison, he went back to Germany, where he soon winded >up behind bars again, for stalking and finally stabbing a nurse. Quite a >wierdo. > >To assume he would have had any form of stealth equipment on board of his >Cessna, seems to me as crazy as thinking he was telepathically controlled by >aliens, who observed him from one of their UFOs, or sent by the CIA to spy > ************************************************************************* * STRATACOM WORLDNET * internet: wizard@sccsi.com | SYS/370/390 * internet: STRATACOM_WORLDNET@msn.com | Systems Software Engineering * voice: 713-960-0045 | Data and Tele-Communications * fax/data:713-960-0015 | * WUI: REGUSHOU | John F. 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