From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #358 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 19 July 1995 Volume 05 : Number 358 In this issue: Re: SR 71 Vne and SCRAM Re[2]: FW: O'Grady Story from St. Louis Buddies List of SR-71 airplanes FW: O'Grady Story from St. Louis Buddies Dayton Air Show FESTIP vs. X-33 Re[2]: FW: O'Grady Story from St. Louis Buddies FW: O'Grady Story -- Viper Help on unsubscribing mini flying wings See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 03:53:37 PDT Subject: Re: SR 71 Vne and SCRAM No, Larry, it wasn`t a typo! We were looking at VHCR applications. The flow flow was slowed way down in an effort to increase SPFC. It was, of course, a limiting case. BTW, one of the neat ideas we came up with was a porous ceramic flame holder, which also acted as an injector. I actually stole the idea from the Gemini program! It would supply enough change in enthalpy for fuel to facilitate phase change to vapor. The shock caused by the holder/injector is less of a burden on efficency than that of the fuel droplets impinging on the flow. Also, you pick exactly were to place it and design around it anyway. I wish I had seen Anderson`s lecture. I think he`s really intersting. I still curl up with his books on compressible flow. The newer texts have some really neat historical stuff in them. I was leafing through the latest "Fundamentals of Aerodynamics" and found really neat stuff about the Fokker DVII. Kind of scary that the "fundamentals" book lists the full Navier-Stokes equations and second-order vortex panel method for solution of potential flows! Back at UB we had the entire Ascher Shapiro movie set. Every Wednesday we would get some beers and popcorn and watch them. Do you know if Shapiro and Anderson ever collaberated? Chuck "Aerospace Engineer to the Stars" ------------------------------ From: tullman.robert@ehccgate.sandoz.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 07:36:01 -0400 Subject: Re[2]: FW: O'Grady Story from St. Louis Buddies >+>To all my Viper buds and other Shit Hot Fighter Gods >Unit nickname? Nope... Viper is the nickname for the F-16. Apparently, this was one of the names that was rejected by General Dynamics during the naming process, but one which was favored by the fighter community (the Shit Hot Fighter Gods named ABOVE ). Another tale has it that the Viper moniker came from the F-16s resemblence of the Lawn Dart to the VIPER space fighters in the TV Show Battlestar Galactica... Apparently, the agreed upon name 'Falcon' was in use (business jet, I think) so the official name for the F-16 is the 'Fighting Falcon'. Easier to just say Viper, I guess.. Corrections to the above gratefully and gracefully accepted. Just which one is the real urban legend is open to question. Bob P.S. to Robin Lee: Thanks for the Slammer tip. I should have realized that aircraft in Deny Flight would be carrying a few more AAMs. BTW Great Home Page! ------------------------------ From: mikeq@primenet.com (Michael Quinlan) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 05:37:35 -0700 Subject: List of SR-71 airplanes On my WWW page, I published a copy of the LIST file from the skunk works ftp site (mail.orst.edu, directory /pub/skunk-works/list). I received two replies with information that someone may want to incorporate into the list. 1. Tony Landis says: >I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD NOT USE MY NAME IN YOUR SR-71 STATUS LIST >WITHOUT HAVING CONTACTED ME DIRECTLY. I HAVE NOT BEEN IN CONTACT WITH LARRY >SMITH IN SOME TIME AND I DO NOT APPRECIATE HIM "QUOTING" ME AS HIS SOURCE. 2. MR ERNEST F MESA (ZBJV50A@prodigy.com) says: >I work a[t] Blackbird Airpark at A/F plant 42. Here are a few >corrections. The A-12 06927(the trainer) is still at Lockhead Skunk >Works plant 10. I saw it there today, it can be seen from Sierra Hwy. >It may go to the LA muesum of flight or the CIA. The A-12 06937 is an >A-12 not an SR-71 and it is also at A/F plant 42. However it is not >at Blackbird Airpark it is at site 2. It can been seen at a distance >from the road. This aircraft has been for spare parts and many things >are missing. The second SR-71 ser# 17951 after completing all its >flight test was loaned to Nasa in the 1970's. Nasa was using to YF- >12A 935 and 936. 936 was lost in fire leaving just one aircraft. >Because of politics 17951 was renumbered and called a YF-12C. >SR-71 17967 and 17968 are being serviced for flight for A/F use. >17971 Nasa's back up aircraft was flown on Jan 12 ,to plant 42. This >aircraft will also be used by the A/F. It has allready copleted 3 >test flights. 17962 is still at Plant 42 but has been moved from site >2 to the Skunk Works Building 602 for storage. We now have a D-21 >drone at Blackbird Airpark and are planning to have an open house >on July 29. The cockpits will be open on the SR-71 for the public and >there will be a car show there also. +--------------------------------------------+ | Michael Quinlan | | mikeq@primenet.com | | http://www.primenet.com/~mikeq | +--------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: lips@watson.ibm.com (James Lipscomb) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:46:41 -0400 Subject: FW: O'Grady Story from St. Louis Buddies +>To all my Viper If I recall correctly, Viper was the name of the fighters in the TV space science-fiction series Battlestar Galactica and was the favorite nickname for F-16s among the pilots around the time the "official" name was to be set. Some congressman prefered Fighting Falcon. To to help that along the official ballots did not even include Viper as a choice. So Fighting Falcon it is, officially. ------------------------------ From: "Ohmer, Thomas J. Ext 8059" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 10:04:00 edt Subject: Dayton Air Show I hope this hasn't been discussed and I missed it. Incoming E-Mail was hosed here for several days last week. It's that time of year again! The Dayton Air Show starts this Friday. Bound to be something skunky there. Extended weather forecast looks good if you don't mind the heat! Anybody from this list going and want to try to meet for an eyeball? -- Tom Ohmer, Computer Specialist, DSDC-AA 1 614 692 8059 D.L.A. Systems Design Center, P.O. Box 1605, Columbus, OH 43216-5002 tohmer@dsac.dla.mil ...osu-cis!dsac!tohmer "Sorry, we're closed." -- Sam Malone ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 07:40:34 EST Subject: FESTIP vs. X-33 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:29:31 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: FESTIP v. X-33 ? In article <9506148057.AA805746464@lablink.ple.af.mil> "OLSONG" writes: >>..going beyond about Mach 2.2 results in significant heating of >>the aircraft skin which means aluminum alloys can't be used. > >The F-15 is rated at Mach 2.5 and the Mig-25 at Mach 3.2. Both >of which were designed in the late 60s and both use aircraft >aluminum. The X-7, which tested ramjets in the late 50s, I >believe, went up to Mach 4... The F-15 makes substantial use of titanium in high-temperature areas; besides, it can't reach Mach 2.5 for any significant time before running out of fuel. The MiG-25 is mostly steel, not aluminum. The X-7 was stainless steel with some magnesium and fiberglass. >The Space Shuttle is mostly aircraft aluminum... Yes, because its structure is completely insulated by tiles and thermal blankets. This has not been done (that I'm aware of) for any normal aircraft. - -- There is a difference between | Henry Spencer cynicism and skepticism. | henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ From: "Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:01:18 +0200 Subject: Re[2]: FW: O'Grady Story from St. Louis Buddies - ------ Apparently, the agreed upon name 'Falcon' was in use (business jet, I think) so the official name for the F-16 is the 'Fighting Falcon'. Easier to just say Viper, I guess.. - ------ Falcon is a french build business jet built by Dassault Rather fast and with a long leg too. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund I | sp2stes1@ida.his.se I | I _____/0\_____ I ____________O(.)O___________ H\"ogskolan i Sk\"ovde, Sverige I I-+-I O I-+-I I I Viggen with two Rb04 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: lips@watson.ibm.com (James Lipscomb) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:06:19 -0400 Subject: FW: O'Grady Story -- Viper +>To all my Viper If I recall correctly, Viper was the name of the fighters in the TV space science-fiction series Battlestar Galactica and adopted for F-16s by the pilots around the time the "official" name was to be set. Some congressman prefered Fighting Falcon. To to help that along the official ballots did not even include Viper as a choice. So Fighting Falcon it is, officially. ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randy J. Jost" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Help on unsubscribing Can someone send me the email address of the listowner/postmaster of this list? I tried unsubscribing using the information previously posted and my message bounced back. I am going out of town for an extended period, and I am afraid he mail will overflow my storage area, causing the dreaded "bouncebacks" that we recently saw. Note that my address here is NOT the one I originally subscribe from. That address is currently autoforwarding my mail to this account. Thanks to anyone that can help. Randy ------------------------------ From: MITErebent@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:17:54 -0400 Subject: mini flying wings In a previous message you wrote: >Volunteers at the Chino, California Planes of Fame Museum unveiled the >fruits of their 12 year labor to restore a Northrop N9M-B Flying Wing in >an SRO exhibition last December (it says they actually flew the durn >thing!). > >"Four one-third-scale wooden N9M-Bs, with twin piston engines and 60 foot >wingspans, were built in the 1940s as part of the AF's B-35 and B-49 >flying wing program..." > > In the mid-1980s there was a guy in Idaho who was playing around with home-built flying wings. I visited him and he said that he had used old drawings to create essentially a scale model of the YB-36 (albeit with a single pusher propeller). He claimed it had great flying qualities at all speeds and was very efficient to operate (I suspect that his wing loading was quite a bit lower than the original bomber). He didn't say anything about having problems being seen on radar. Bear in mind that he wanted to market them to home-built aircraft enthusiasts so he was very positive about it in general. Anyway, since he was operating on a shoestring, his prototype was underpowered and on one unfortunate flight he ditched it in a local river (causing no great damage). He said his next project, assuming he could pull together a little more seed money, was to design a 4-seat version (some sort of stealth family crusier for dentists, I guess). Eric ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #358 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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