From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #489 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Monday, 30 October 1995 Volume 05 : Number 489 In this issue: Undeliverable Message Report: U.S. May Use Big Blimp U.S. to halt Bosnia spyplane flights - Albania Re: Looking for this aviation poem... SR-71 CIA pilot (fwd) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 4:34:36 EST Subject: Undeliverable Message To: Cc: Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #488 Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. 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When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the user must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. - - ---------------------- Original Message Follows ----------------------Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 28 October 1995 Volume 05 : Number 487 In this issue: SR-71 at Nellis Re: Blackbird goes travelling See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 05:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SR-71 at Nellis SR-71A, article '2018', USAF serial '64-17967', tail number '17967', one of the reactivated, USAF-operated aircraft, landed on Wednesday, October 25, 1995, at Nellis AFB, after the NASA crew experienced an in-flight fuel transfer problem over Nevada, while on the way back to Palmdale, CA. They elected to land at Nellis AFB, Las Vegas, NV, because they didn't want to risk running out of fuel. The aircraft created two loud sonic booms over Las Vegas, when she came in at about 05:15 p.m. PST. She was apparently scheduled to return to Palmdale on Thursday, October 26, 1995, at 04:30 p.m. PST, but seemed to have experienced more problems, and is still there. The aircraft is apparently visible from outside of the air base, and will probably try to return to Palmdale, later today (Friday, October 27, 1995). Nellis AFB is right now quite busy, because the exercise Gunsmoke '95 is currently held there, lasting from October 26 to October 29. [Info compiled from r.a.m and Tim Gerlach, Las Vegas] - - - -- Andreas - - - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - - - --- --- - - ------------------------------ From: Mary Shafer Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Blackbird goes travelling Fuel transfer problems, it turns out. Had enough fuel onboard, but couldn't pump it to a tank the engines could draw from. In defense of Dryden's maintainence folks, this is one of the reactivated birds, maintained down in Palmdale by Lockheed. Regards, Mary Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com URL http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end.... On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Dean Adams wrote: > > Mary sez: > > Right now (Thursday morning) there's a Blackbird at Nellis AFB. They hope > > to recover it fairly soon, though, so don't dawdle. > > Sounds interesting! How about the "rest of the story"? :) > > - - ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #487 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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I will appreciate your answer and discussions... May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen wsu02@barney.poly.edu - ------------------------------ From: jstone@iglou.com (John Stone) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 22:08:37 -0500 Subject: Re: SR-71 CIA pilot Wei-Jen, > Hello Skunkers...Just some interesting question: Some missions of >the SR-71 are flown by CIA pilots... Does they have any relation with the >Air Force pilots? They are actually Air Force pilots that work for the >CIA or they are CIA agents that have some special training to become >SR-71 pilots???? The pilots that flew the SR were USAF pilots. The CIA flew A-12's, which were flown by civilain pilots (actually USAF pilots lent to the CIA, but being paid by the CIA and not the USAF or DoD. They went through a course of instruction to learn to fly th A-12 at Groom Lake, NV (Area 51). > And why the pilots must be from CIA???? > I will appreciate your answer and discussions... Because the CIA was operating these planes. They used a similar process to "sheep dip" the pilots, like want Gary Powers and his compatriots went through before under going training to fly the U-2. Hope this helps, John Stone | / ^ \ ___|___ -(.)==<.>==(.)- --------o---((.))---o-------- SR-71 Blackbird U-2 Dragon Lady John Stone jstone@iglou.com john.stone@shivasys.com U-2 and SR-71 Web Page http://wl.iglou.com/blackbird/ - ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #488 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from mail.orst.edu, in /pub/skunk-works/digest/vNN.nMMM (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:53:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Report: U.S. May Use Big Blimp I found the following article on ClariNet, forwarded here without permission. A model photo and a small article about the blimp mentioned here, can be found in the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works Star magazine, Vol. 5, No. 7, of July 28, 1995. The article is titled: "Glasgow, Wexler are inventors of year, fifteen other patent holders announced", and lists mainly patents for LTAVs (Lighter-Than-Air Vehicles) and VSTOL (Vertical/Short Take-Off and Landing) transports: LONDON (AP) -- The U.S. military is considering building a giant blimp to transport troops and cargo to future crisis zones, Jane's Defense Weekly reported. Saturday's edition of the magazine said a 1,485-foot blimp is one of several radical proposals being considered by the Pentagon to prevent a repeat of logistic problems during the Gulf War. Although U.S. Air Force C-5 and C-141 cargo planes were able to move troops quickly to Saudi Arabia after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, it took many weeks for tanks and other heavy equipment to arrive. "Using a fleet of airships, each with a potential 500 ton lifting capacity, the Joint Chiefs of Staff would be able to guarantee a fully capable military response to any future act of aggression in days, rather than weeks," Jane's said. The idea is that each airship should be able to move a platoon of four armored fighting vehicles and their personnel, the magazine said. A Pentagon spokesman, who was not identified, was quoted as saying the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs had received some unsolicited proposals for large airships, and they were being considered along with other alternatives. Jane's said several companies have discussed their airship designs with the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs including the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, which did secret work on the Stealth aircraft. Fred Ferguson, chairman of the Pan Atlantic Aerospace Corp. of Ontario has already held discussions with the U.S. military about his company's proposed 1,485-foot blimp, Jane's said. It would be twice the length of the largest airship ever built, Nazi Germany's Hindenburg, which exploded over Lakehurst, N.J., in 1937. Jane's said the Worldwide Aeros Corp. of California, in partnership with Westinghouse Airship Industries, is planning to start construction of a sub-scale airship prototype in the next few months. Westinghouse is also involved in another team concept from Germany, the magazine said. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:56:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: U.S. to halt Bosnia spyplane flights - Albania Another article forwarded from ClariNet (without permission): TIRANA, Albania (Reuter) - The United States will halt unmanned reconnaisance flights over Bosnia from a base in northern Albania early next month, Albanian daily Koha Jone reported Saturday. The three "Predator" aircraft stationed at Gjader airbase, whose spying missions have already been scaled down to just one flight a day, will be grounded on November 5, the paper quoted Albanian military sources as saying. The aircraft, which are said to be undetectable by radar, are guided by remote control. They were stationed in Albania in July. U.S. diplomats in Albania declined to comment on the report. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: "Randall Clague" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 21:47:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Looking for this aviation poem... LURK MODE OFF Yes, it's off topic, but some might enjoy it... I think this is from MCAS El Toro's monthly mag, about '88 or '89. LOW FLIGHT Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth, And hovered out of ground effect on semi-rigid blades; Earthward I've auto'ed, and met the rising brush Of non-paved terrain -- and done a thousand things You would never care to -- skidded and drooped and flared Low in the hear soaked roar. Confined there, I've chased the earthbound traffic And lost the race to insignificant headwinds. Forward, and a little up, in ground effect I've topped the General's hedge with drooping turns Where never Skyhawk, nor even Phantom flew. And, shaking and pulling collective, I've lumbered The low trespassed halls of Victor Airways, Put out my hand, and touched a tree. LURK MODE ON ------------------------------ From: megazone@world.std.com (MegaZone) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:58:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: SR-71 CIA pilot (fwd) Once upon a time Wei-Jen Su shaped the electrons to say... > Hello Skunkers...Just some interesting question: Some missions of >the SR-71 are flown by CIA pilots... Does they have any relation with the I don't know where you heard this. The CIA operated the A-12 Blackbird, but the USAF used the SR-71 Blackbird. What evidence do you have that the CIA flew the USAF's SR-71? - -MZ - -- megazone@world.std.com 510-527-0944 MegaZone's Waste Of Time Moderator: anime fanfic archive, ftp.std.com /archives/anime-fan-works; rec.arts.anime.stories - Maintainer: Ani Difranco Mailing List - Mail to majordomo@world.std.com with 'subscribe ani-difranco' in the body. ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #489 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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