From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #589 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: bulk Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 2 January 1996 Volume 05 : Number 589 In this issue: Re: creepy story Aurora Re: Aurora Re: Aurora Re[2]: creepy story Tejon Ranch 4/4 Tejon Ranch 1/4 Tejon Ranch 2/4 Tejon Ranch 3/4 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick Barnes Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 10:00:22 +0000 Subject: Re: creepy story > It was an excellent book, and at the end the author put in what he > called a "story that raises the hackles on the back of your neck." The thought of someone with hackles on the back of their neck raises the hairs on the back of mine (and those above my eyes). Nick Barnes, speaking for himself ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 08:16:50 EST Subject: Aurora Forwarded from the Space Tech list-TWC-: Date: 31 Dec 1995 03:56:30 GMT From: Charles Buckley Subject: Wouldn't someone notice Aurora? In article <4c25cf$2fg@dfw.nkn.net>, n/a wrote: >In article <3ruttd$5l2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, davida5625@aol.com (DavidA5625) says: >> >>One aspect of a hypothetical orbital Aurora that would be difficult >>to cover up: re-entry. Regardless of Aurora's shape, basic physics >>would require a lot of heat to be generated during any re-entry. That >>heat signature would be visible to anyone near the terminal >>flight path, including a lot of Southern California boaters out on >>the Pacific, as well as the hundreds of aircraft flying to Hawaii >>every day. >> > > >>I would suspect that A-12 was, in fact, a cover for Aurora, as A-12 > >Project Aurora was the code name for the f117a flight test at groom lake >afb >The predecessor of sr71 was not A12 but a YB something or the other. >I want to say YB70 but I think that was the Valkerie. >You may want to look into info on x33 and x34 projects. >Officially congress kill the projects but nasa and af still have >active research into the national space plane and have ordered a >'proof of concept' demo from four different companies. You are both somewhat correct in some areas. The first 3 aircraft of this design were designated the YF-12. The next 15 were designated the A-11 (nuke capable strike aircraft, but usually launched RPV's for recon over enemy territory. There was a drone built around a SR-71 engine that flew at Mach 6 and would cover North Viet Nam in minutes). Then the next of that line was designated the RS-71 (for recon/strike), but Pres. Johnson misread his queue cards duing a speach and called it the SR-71 and the name stuck. The name A-12 was not used for the SR program. I was stationed for 3 years in the UK supporting the SR-71 - which was not a bad assignment. I do not have my docs for the F-117 where I can get to them, but the initial aircraft was built under the program name Have Blue. The XB-70 was a bomber. There were two built. It was roughly 300 feet long and flew at Mach 3. Charles Buckley ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 08:21:44 EST Subject: Re: Aurora Forwarded from the Space Tech list-TWC-: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:00:04 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: Wouldn't someone notice Aurora? In article <4c25cf$2fg@dfw.nkn.net> psmith@fastlane.net writes: >>I would suspect that A-12 was, in fact, a cover for Aurora... > >The predecessor of sr71 was not A12 but a YB something or the other. One has to be a little bit careful about "A-12", because that designation has been used for two distinct aircraft. The first was the CIA spyplane that was the immediate precursor of the YF-12A and the SR-71; A-12 was a Lockheed internal designation for it, and it never got an official military designation because it was never a military aircraft. (It was also known to the public as the A-11, but that appears to have been an error.) The second A-12, which had that designation officially, was the US Navy stealth bomber that was cancelled a couple of years back due to massive cost overruns. The two were unrelated. >I want to say YB70 but I think that was the Valkerie. The last incarnation of the Valkyrie -- a final attempt to save it from cancellation -- was the RS-70, where RS stood for Reconnaissance and Strike. While this probably inspired the RS-71 designation, which one of LBJ's verbal typos converted into SR-71, the two aircraft were otherwise unrelated. The only flying Valkyries were designated XB-70A. >You may want to look into info on x33 and x34 projects. >Officially congress kill the projects but nasa and af still have >active research into the national space plane and have ordered a >'proof of concept' demo from four different companies. This is confused. The X-33 and X-34 are unrelated to the National AeroSpace Plane, which was the X-30 and is thoroughly dead. - -- Look, look, see Windows 95. Buy, lemmings, buy! | Henry Spencer Pay no attention to that cliff ahead... | henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ From: BaDge Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:01:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Aurora I'd like to thank TC on behalf of the list for the decidedly ON-topic posts he has forwarded to us. I've enjoyed perusing them, especially since I've lagged on my ng reading over the holidays. If any one DIDN'T catch the WINGS marathon over NewYears day between boring old Football, the F117a was showcased again as part of the GulfWar series, showing quite a bit of the HB prototype, and the comments from Ben Rich about the "your model has fallen off the post" joke, wherein the bird landed on it and the returns bloomed. I always get a kick outta that story. He also mentioned that Lockheed had wanted to "round off some of the corners on the production model, but the AF was so enamoured of the data given by the first models, that they didn't want to mess with success! (That's the military mind for ya, eh?) ;-) regards, ________ BaDge ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 09:00:25 EST Subject: Re[2]: creepy story FYI ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: creepy story Author: Bill Riddle at FHU2 Date: 2/1/1996 8:40 AM Well, speaking for himself, he stepped on his self. From Websters: Hackles. The erectile hairs at the back of the neck ... Certainly fits in this sentence. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: creepy story Author: Terry Colvin at FHU2 Date: 1/2/96 8:26 AM FYI ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: creepy story Author: Nick Barnes at smtp-fhu Date: 2/1/1996 5:57 AM > It was an excellent book, and at the end the author put in what he > called a "story that raises the hackles on the back of your neck." The thought of someone with hackles on the back of their neck raises the hairs on the back of mine (and those above my eyes). Nick Barnes, speaking for himself ------------------------------ From: Dave.Tilbury@UK.Sun.COM (David Tilbury - Sun UK) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:17:46 GMT Subject: Tejon Ranch 4/4 - ----- Begin Included Message ----- From i_ufo-l-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Dec 26 15:06 GMT 1995 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 07:51:56 -0700 (MST) From: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. HARDING) Subject: Tejon Ranch 4/4 To: i_ufo-l@facteur.std.com, snet-l@world.std.com Cc: jharding@aztec.asu.edu, TRADER@cup.portal.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT - -> SearchNet's i_ufo-l Mailing List >Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:58:24 +0100 >From: James Easton >To: jharding@aztec.asu.edu >Cc: texje@bonaly.hw.ac.uk >Message-Id: <00990BDC.F3DAD9C6.37@bonaly.hw.ac.uk> >Subject: Appendix 3/3 >From: TRADER@cup.portal.com >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 95 23:31:08 PST >Subject: "national security" airstrips in California "National security" airstrips in California's desert ____________________________________________________ by Paul McGinnis, February 19, 1995 Aviation Week (February 6, 1995) mentioned the existence of Northrop's Tejon Ranch radar cross section range in California. Because I've been out in that area several times to see the facility, I have prepared some information telling people how to get there with some other useful information. The Tejon Ranch installation is located at the base of the Tehachapi Mountains in a northwestern part of the Antelope Valley. Some people have referred to this place as the "ant hill", but I think they are confusing the Northrop installation with the Ant Hill Oil Field airstrip on the other side of the Tehachapi Mountains, east of Bakersfield. To give you some idea of how far you will have to drive to get there, it should be noted that the Northrop facility is approximately 105 miles from downtown Los Angeles, by road. (1 mile = 1.609 kilometers) I recommend using an offroad vehicle (4WD) or pickup truck to get out to see the facility, because some of the roads are quite rough. (I've navigated the dirt roads in the area in a 1988 Honda Civic, and I have to had to worry about damage to the car, because of these dirt roads.) The roads near the facility can be quite rocky or washed out in places. There are numerous dirt roads crisscrossing the area, that are usually not marked, and some are poorly maintained. It would be quite easy to get lost or have your car break down up there. When the maps show unimproved dirt roads in the area, they are not joking. Using the FCC database, I have found that the facility is located at 34 degrees 55' 25" North latitude, 118 degrees 31' 48" West longitude. The airstrip is not shown on the 7.5 minute U.S. Geological Survey topographic map of the area, dated 1973 (Liebre Twins Quadrangle, 34118-H5-TF-024). It also does not appear on the 1986 Defense Mapping Agency aeronautical chart JOG NI 11-4. However, it appears in DeLorme Mapping Company's 1990 "Southern & Central California Atlas & Gazetteer" collection of topographic maps. In this part of the desert, the dirt roads are given numbers. Although the FCC records list the Northrop facility at 7000 230th Street West, you can not get there by going down Avenue D, and going north on 230th Street West. Because it is behind some low hills, the facility can be difficult to see. I will provide directions to two locations -- one location is just outside the Northrop gate (poor viewing of the base, but an interesting excursion) and the other location allows you to see the facility from perhaps 3 miles to the east. The eastern viewing location also gives you quite a panoramic view of the Antelope Valley, and surrounding mountains. You should zero your trip counter on your vehicles odometer as you exit Highway 14. To get near the area, take Highway 14 north from Palmdale or south from Mojave. Exit at Rosamond Blvd. (look for the sign that reads "Edwards AFB / Rosamond". (Edwards AFB is quite a ways to the east.) Go west on Rosamond Blvd. At 2.3 miles west of Highway 14, you will see one of my dining recommendations in the area, Villa Basque restaurant. Keep going west -- at 15.4 miles from Hwy. 14, the paved road will make a sharp bend to the left and become 170th Street West. Go right (north) on the dirt road instead. At 16.9 miles from Hwy. 14 (1.5 miles north of Rosamond Blvd.), you will see a sign that says Broken Arrow Road (with an arrow pointing along a road that runs towards the northwest.) Broken Arrow Road leads directly to the Northrop gate several miles away (sorry, I didn't take mileage readings for that road.) If you continue north on 170th Street West, you will end up at the eastern viewing site. At the base of the Broken Arrow Road sign, someone painted a blue object (a skull??) on a rock. If you continue north, you will encounter a short stretch of very rough road (a "washboard road" if you will...). As your trip counter goes past 18.1 miles (2.7 miles from Rosamond Blvd.) you will pass an antenna on a pole. I'm not sure if this is for a road sensor, like on the Groom Lake road. At 19 miles (3.6 miles from Rosamond Blvd.) the road will go west for 0.5 miles and then go north again. The viewing site is 20.6 miles from Hwy. 14 (5.2 miles from Rosamond Blvd.) Look towards the west (left) and there it is!! You will see a hangar, radar antennas, a water tank, and several smaller buildings on top of a small hill. It looks like the facility probably got more use during the B-2 Stealth bomber's early testing, a few years ago, than it does these days. (The canyon behind the facility is Tylerhorse Canyon.) My estimate for the runway length is 4000 feet (1231 meters). If you follow Broken Arrow Road, it will eventually come to a gate, like those used by cattle ranchers, marked with "Private Property" signs. You should not go beyond the gate, to prevent getting charged with trespassing. (I have seen local law enforcement in the area.) Apparently, to keep Northrop employees on the road, and prevent them from getting lost, someone came up with the idea of using signs with red arrows on them to point the way, and keep the workers on the right road, so you can follow the red arrows also. There is at least one creek along Broken Arrow Road that may have water in it -- cross carefully so you don't get stuck in mud. It is very unlikely that you will see anything classified up there. Just enjoy the expedition, watch the desert hares and flocks of birds, and relax outdoors, and you won't be disappointed. For those with scanners, here are some Northrop frequencies: (I haven't heard much activity, but I've been up there on weekends.) 462.35 MHz -- main channel for the facility (repeats 467.35 MHz) 123.35, 123.525, 314.6, 382.6 MHz -- Northrop aviation channels (used at Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale, Mojave airport Northrop operation, and Edwards AFB Northrop operations also.) 158.28 MHz -- general use Northrop channel (also used at Edwards AFB). Another interesting place is the CIA's El Mirage Flight Test Facility, used for testing their Gnat-750 and Predator UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, i.e., reconnaissance drones.) These UAVs resemble large model airplanes. The El Mirage facility is operated by the manufacturer of the UAVs, General Atomics Corp. It has a 3700 foot (1138 meters) long runway in DMA aeronautical chart JOG NI 11-5. To get there, exit Highway 14 at Avenue P in Palmdale, and go east. You will go past Air Force Plant 42 (Lockheed's Skunk Works occupies the big hangar at the western part of Plant 42) and the Blackbird (SR-71) Museum. (Most of this trip is on paved roads). Go north on 40th Street East, and then east on Avenue N. Go south on 90th Street East and make a left turn (east) on Avenue O. You will pass Alpine Butte Wildlife Sanctuary -- the buttes there are not too difficult to climb, and give a fine view of Edwards AFB to the north, Plant 42 to the west, and El Mirage and Lockheed's Helendale radar cross section to the range. It would be a good spot to camp on and watch the aerial activity above the Antelope Valley. Continue east on Avenue O until you get to 240th Street East and go south (right) on 240th Street East. Go south to Avenue P, and then east (left) on Avenue P. You will go through the town of El Mirage. Look for a sign that reads El Mirage Airport Road and make a left turn there (go north on that road.) At the end of the road, there will be an aircraft graveyard to the left (west) and the El Mirage facility to the north. Offroad vehicle and motorcycle enthusiasts use the bed El Mirage Dry Lake to the northeast. (Sorry, I don't have any radio frequencies for the El Mirage facility.) You could also continue on to Lockheed's radar cross section range north of Helendale, California. For more details on the Lockheed facility, you can use Internet FTP and connect to host ftp.shell.portal.com . My Lockheed report is file lockheed-rcs-report in the directory /pub/trader/secrecy. In that report, I mentioned photos of a radar cross section (RCS) testing pylon. I may have overestimated the height of the pylon, if the pictures I saw are of scale models for RCS, instead of actual aircraft. This is the facility that Ben Rich mentions in his book, where they put a scale model of the Stealth fighter on a pole, and there was no radar return until a crow landed on the model. Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com / PaulMcG@aol.com - ------------------------------ Note: Paul has an excellent WWW site at: http://www.portal.com/~trader/home.html - -- John Harding E-Mail Address: jharding@aztec.asu.edu Sysop - U-FO INFO BBS (GTPN Net/Node 009/005) Phoenix, AZ (602) 306-1345 - -> Send "subscribe i_ufo-l " to majordomo@world.std.com - -> Posted by: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. HARDING) - ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ From: Dave.Tilbury@UK.Sun.COM (David Tilbury - Sun UK) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:17:22 GMT Subject: Tejon Ranch 1/4 Forwarded from i-ufo newsgroup - ----- Begin Included Message ----- From i_ufo-l-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Dec 26 14:58 GMT 1995 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 07:46:58 -0700 (MST) From: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. HARDING) Subject: Tejon Ranch 1/4 To: i_ufo-l@facteur.std.com, snet-l@world.std.com Cc: jharding@aztec.asu.edu, TRADER@cup.portal.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT - -> SearchNet's i_ufo-l Mailing List [ To Paul McGinnis - I am forward a copy of this message (only) to you and information, since you have been there a few times, can you comment on the "Warning Signs and/or the livestock issue? ] I am seeking some assistance with research that I am doing pertaining to Northrop, a privately owned aerospace company with huge government contracts and one of their facilities known as "Tejon Ranch." On March 29, 1995 I downloaded a message from a "ParaNet BBS", (see Tejon 2/4, 3/4), it was the text of a file that appeared in UFO Magazine. It purports to examine another area similar to Area 51, only this facility is located at the base of the Tehachapi Mountains in a northwest part of the Antelope Valley approx 105 miles from downtown Los Angeles. Now, I was wondering_HOW_to get more information on this "interesting" facility, but since it was privately owned, it would be hard. Then I read this paragraph in the message: [ An approach on the south entrance to the facility reveals a posted warning sign stating "DANGER!/ Poison Devices In The Area/ These devices are dangerous. They contain deadly cyanide. Stay away and keep your dogs away./ These devices are the property of the United States Government and are used for the protection of livestock and game animals./ Tampering with these devices or this sign is a federal offense./ United States Department of Agriculture." ] Here was a "government" agency I could file a "FOIA" request with and maybe get some information - it was a long shot - but you never know. I filed my initial FOIA request on April 6, 1995, with the Department of Agriculture. They responded on April 21, 1995, saying they were doing a search on my request. If documents exist, they would review them and release them according to the FOIA. The response came from the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS). On May 22, 1995, James Easton sent me a message with some good information about Northrop's Tejon Ranch facility. The text of message was written by Paul McGinnis - a very good researcher in "Government Black Budget Projects" (see Tejon 4/4). Well on November 30, 1995, I got tired of waiting for the documents and filed an "Appeal" with the Department of Agriculture (APHIS) because of their "no" response. On December 11, 1995 - quick response! - they again responded, but this time with a letter informing me that they in fact had responded on September 29, 1995, but the Post Office returned the letter and documents because I had moved. They sent me some "manuals" with their letter. They had sent me 3 volumes of Animal Damage Control - Final Environmental Program - Impact Statement. Vol. 1 was thin, but Vol. 2 and 3 were_very_ thick. The manuals were very informative and listed many different kinds of chemicals methods used in animal control. In their letter they also informed me a search was performed for records on Tejon Ranch and Northrop, but_none_was found. I find this very strange indeed, for according to their_OWN_manuals, they (APHIS) strictly control and monitor uses of "M-44 Poison Cyanide Devices" to include the "Warning Signs!" They further stated in their letter that their search was performed based on the information I provided. However, if I had additional information such as county the ranch is located or the address, I could submit a new request and they would do another search for me. Strange, they (APHIS) issue these 'M-44 Poison Cyanide Devices and Warning Signs" to this company (Northrop) and they are suppose to control and monitor their usage, but they - APHIS - doesn't know where this place is?? HA!! Well, I have not been nor seen the place, but I know where it is, it location and even it map coordinates (see Tejon 4/4). What I need is some information and/or e-mail address on Gary Schully, founder of Saucer Base Expeditions and KROQ radio personalities Kevin (?) and Bean (?). These were the names I found in message (see Tejon 3/4). What I am trying to find out is the "real" purpose behind the placement of the "M-44 Poison Cyanide Devices" at this location. The sign said, according to the text of the message, "for the protection of livestock and game animals." Now, according to the APHIS manuals, livestock is - cattle and calves, goats, sheeps, lambs, poultry (chicken and turkeys), and swine (pig) - BUT- livestock damage attributable damage to wildlife involves two types: (1) loss of current market value of livestock at the stage of growth when damage occurred, and (2) loss if potential value of livestock if they had matured and then sold. Mmmmmmm.....Northrop - are they in the livestock or aerospace business?? There was "no" mention of "game animals" in the manuals. NOW!! 1. Is there livestock (for sale) on the Northrop's Tejon Ranch area? 2. Is there a "gaming" facility (resort) located at the Northrop's Tejon Ranch area? 3. Is there a "recreation" facility (resort) located at the Northrop's Tejon Ranch area? If the answer's to the questions above are "NO", then we must assume the "M-44 Poison Cyanide Devices" are in place to keep "prying eyes" of humans from getting to close and finding out "what really goes on there!" If anyone has seen the "Warning Signs" and remembers "if" the writing was in "Bilingual (Spanish and English)?? Please let me know ok! Regards, John - -- John Harding E-Mail Address: jharding@aztec.asu.edu Sysop - U-FO INFO BBS (GTPN Net/Node 009/005) Phoenix, AZ (602) 306-1345 - -> Send "subscribe i_ufo-l " to majordomo@world.std.com - -> Posted by: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. HARDING) - ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ From: Dave.Tilbury@UK.Sun.COM (David Tilbury - Sun UK) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:17:29 GMT Subject: Tejon Ranch 2/4 - ----- Begin Included Message ----- From i_ufo-l-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Dec 26 15:04 GMT 1995 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 07:48:55 -0700 (MST) From: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. HARDING) Subject: Tejon Ranch 2/4 To: i_ufo-l@facteur.std.com, snet-l@world.std.com Cc: jharding@aztec.asu.edu, TRADER@cup.portal.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT - -> SearchNet's i_ufo-l Mailing List >Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:57:42 +0100 >From: James Easton >To: jharding@aztec.asu.edu >Cc: texje@bonaly.hw.ac.uk >Message-Id: <00990BDC.DAC47AD2.18@bonaly.hw.ac.uk> >Subject: Tejon Ranch Facility 1/2 To FidoNet by UFO Magazine. All rights are reserved. You may distribute this file freely as long as this header remains intact. Date prepared: 08/19/93 Contributed by: Don Ecker/ UFO Magazine ================================================================= The following file appeared in *UFO Magazine. It purports to examine another area similar to *Area 51, only this facility is about 90 miles outside Los Angeles. __________________________________________________________________ TEJON RANCH FACILITY For the past few years, it has become apparent that something has been happening in the foothills of the Tehachapi mountains about 90 miles north of Los Angeles. Incidents and events which rival and even surpass the high strangeness associated with Nevada's "Area 51" are occurring in L.A.'s backyard. Anomalous lights performing high speed maneuvers, non aerodynamic craft, and harassment and even abduction of nearby residents continue to characterize the area. But whereas Area 51 appears to be under Defense Department control, the facilities in the high desert are involved in research solely under the aegis of private aerospace companies. If we are to consider some of the information leaking out about these complexes at face value, the implications become even more provocative. The Northrop owned and operated facility known as the Tejon Ranch has received the most attention recently by many researchers and a small segment of enthusiasts. On a semi regular basis, members of a group called Secret Saucer Base Expeditions and founder Gary Schultz gather at an area three miles north of highway 138 on 190th street about 20 miles northwest of Lancaster. They have reported observations of various types of silent, non aeroform craft emerging from the complex on weekday nights from about dusk and continuing throughout the night, although some daylight sightings have been reported. Activities do not appear to be scheduled as regularly as those in Nevada. Some of the craft appear as no more than lights performing very non conventional maneuvers at high speeds, while others are slow and deliberate in their movements. When their form can be discerned, the craft seem to fall into three basic categories: 1. The classic "saucer" 2. Flattened, triangular shaped vehicles 3. The "boomerang" or flying wing configuration. The ellipsoidal objects emit a steady pulse of bright light and exhibit most characteristics associated with the classic U.F.O.: sharp turns at high speeds, "falling leaf" motions, and almost instantaneous movement over large distances, are about 220-250 feet on a side and have been observed operating in small groups. If illuminated, the top half emits a green glow, while the underside shows red at the same intensity. When these vehicles accelerate, their brightness increases. The boomerang type objects exhibit the most conservative movement namely slow, straight line movements and non banking (ie. very short radius) turns. The underside displays an array of small, twinkling bright lights, possibly as a camouflage against the night sky. In the last year, a chase plane was observed following an aircraft with no control surfaces at a McDonnell Douglas owned facility in the Antelope Valley. The strange craft made a right angle turn at high speed, whereupon the fighter made a long, banking turn to catch up, suggesting that a maneuverability comparison was being conducted. For the past few years, many high desert residents have seen these vehicles floating over their homes and communities. Wilford Fidroe, a Lancaster designer/craftsman sighted a strange aerial device moving silently up a narrow canyon in 1987. He reports that on a drive home from work at approximately 11:00 P.M. he saw what he says looked like "a giant stealth bomber, black and very thin. It was about as big as the shuttle, in excess of 150 feet across. It was absolutely silent and moving at about five miles per hour, maybe 80-100 feet off the ground." Small, colored lights flashed along the bottom and it made a 180 degree turn in the canyon in a very short radius, almost on an axis. Other residents have reported the boomerang shapes floating silently overhead for almost 20 years. They are quite large ranging from 600-700 feet in length. There are facilities elsewhere in the desert which appear to be involved in similar research. McDonnell Douglas operates a facility near Llano, and Lockheed conducts its business at their base near Helendale. Both of these areas lie east of the Northrop complex. Schultz reports that there has been a cover story concocted to suggest that the Tejon Ranch is a radar reflectivity research facility. Researcher Bill Hamilton asserts that according to his sources, the Ranch is a communications facility where the saucer flights are incidental to other activities. The facility is nicknamed the "Anthill" by the Northrop personnel who work there, possibly because of its cosmetic similarity to an ant colony. The "Black Hole" is another term which appears occasionally in reference to it. Terry Claussen, head of Northrop's Public Relations office, confirms that his company does indeed operate a facility in the area, but declined further comment on its purpose. After a short pause, Mr. Claussen added, "It's not flying saucers. I can guarantee you that", and laughed. Continued... - -- John Harding E-Mail Address: jharding@aztec.asu.edu Sysop - U-FO INFO BBS (GTPN Net/Node 009/005) Phoenix, AZ (602) 306-1345 - -> Send "subscribe i_ufo-l " to majordomo@world.std.com - -> Posted by: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. HARDING) - ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ From: Dave.Tilbury@UK.Sun.COM (David Tilbury - Sun UK) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:17:37 GMT Subject: Tejon Ranch 3/4 - ----- Begin Included Message ----- From i_ufo-l-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Dec 26 15:07 GMT 1995 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 07:50:26 -0700 (MST) From: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. HARDING) Subject: Tejon Ranch 3/4 To: i_ufo-l@facteur.std.com, snet-l@world.std.com Cc: jharding@aztec.asu.edu, TRADER@cup.portal.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT - -> SearchNet's i_ufo-l Mailing List >Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:58:02 +0100 >From: James Easton >To: jharding@aztec.asu.edu >Cc: texje@bonaly.hw.ac.uk >Message-Id: <00990BDC.E6CE2EB3.22@bonaly.hw.ac.uk> >Subject: Tejon Ranch Facility 2/2 An approach on the south entrance to the facility reveals a posted warning sign stating "DANGER!/ Poison Devices In The Area/ These devices are dangerous. They contain deadly cyanide. Stay away and keep your dogs away./ These devices are the property of the United States Government and are used for the protection of livestock and game animals./ Tampering with these devices or this sign is a federal offense./ United States Department of Agriculture." One may wonder what a poison device may have to do with the protection of animals, but continuing further on the road brings the visitor to a guard shack and gate. Schultz approached this gate on a Thursday night late in March accompanied by KROQ radio personalities Kevin and Bean and were greeted by a guard who refused to talk with them. Given queries from the D.J.s such as, "Do you guys have flying saucers here?", this is not surprising. The guard spoke into a walkie talkie and requested backup. Immediately, two trucks began to approach from inside the facility. Schultz says it was then decided that they would probably get no more information, so they quickly turned their truck around and left. Whatever secret the Ranch hides is hidden mainly beneath the desert floor. Estimates of the extent of this burrowing run to 42 levels down. Approximately seven years ago, Northrop hired local contractors to start digging and pouring concrete in a massive ogram. Locals report a line of concrete trucks stretching for five miles up to the complex, unloading cement for many weeks. Some estimates place the amount of concrete used in the structure at approximately a million square yards. There has also been a false "airstrip" observed which, apart from showing no skid marks from any landings, has been reported to open up from underground to deploy craft. This type of camouflage has been noted at other facilities in the desert as well. Will Fidroe relates that for almost three years many area residents noticed massive amounts of earth were moved out from near the Air Force's Plant 42 outside of Palmdale. The best protection from observation and attack is obviously underground, and our corporate friends have apparently raised the technology to a fine art. Sources within the facility report that there are no doors when passing from one room or area to another. There appears to be a "field" which cannot be passed without the use of a magnetic card and coded combinations punched into a keypad on the wall. The security levels increase with each level down, and personnel are constantly observed and compartmentalized in their duties, as were the construction workers. Some of the workers were even hired from out of state. According to Bill Hamilton, the management utilize surveillance devices that appear as "orbs" of light which hover in midair. "They are small glowing balls of light which are extremely luminous but don't reflect their light off any of the surrounding walls. They don't appear to be anything that we could manufacture, completely alien and beyond anything my source had ever seen." The orbs have been seen at other facilities in the area as well. The purpose of these highly maneuverable devices seems to lie not only in passive observation, but possibly as a form of psychotronic technology as well. Ray, an inspector on the B-1 bomber project, and his wife Nancy were stargazing on a plateau near the Ranch in the summer of 1988 when they observed one of the orbs, which flashed a light at them. They could then not account for at least two and a half hours of missing time. Under hypnosis, an abduction scenario was revealed. The classic grey EBEs made their appearance along with what appeared to be Air Force personnel. Other not quite so typical abduction scenarios have surfaced involving the few residents who happen to live near the Anthill. One of the purposes of this is apparently to discourage complaints and inquiries about nocturnal aerial activities that they may see from time to time. One man who has spoken to Hamilton claimed he was exposed to grey and reptilian EBEs in the same abduction, but not at the same time. A woman who lives near the Ranch reports an Air Force officer in a dress blue uniform with a dog accompanying the greys into her home during an abduction. Surprisingly, most of the abductees maintain a fully conscious memory of part of their experience. The ones that have elected to speak out have done so in spite of warnings. The question remains: Why are many of these activities conducted in full view of anyone who cares to watch? One simple (and possibly simplistic) answer may be that it is less expensive to expand existing facilities than to build a new one in a more remote area. Shultz maintains that "It's part of the de sensitizing program of planned, gradual acclamation of the public to the idea of an alien presence." It may also be part of a plan of controlled leakage to what are considered fringe groups and individuals in an effort to confuse the real purpose behind these installations. The truth could range from the completely terrestrial to the wholly fantastic. The only certainty seems to be best described in a quote by Winston Churchill: "The truth is so important that it must always be accompanied by a bodyguard of lies". Perhaps in this case, even the bodyguard is ignorant of his true purpose. [END] - -- John Harding E-Mail Address: jharding@aztec.asu.edu Sysop - U-FO INFO BBS (GTPN Net/Node 009/005) Phoenix, AZ (602) 306-1345 - -> Send "subscribe i_ufo-l " to majordomo@world.std.com - -> Posted by: jharding@aztec.asu.edu (JOHN E. 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