From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #626 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 28 February 1996 Volume 05 : Number 626 In this issue: Ftp site location? re: Daylight Stealth Using Floodlamps SR-71 Seminar notice Air Force Patch Collector's Homepage re: Daylight Stealth Using Floodlamps re: Daylight Stealth Using Floodlamps email address change Daylight stealth skunk hunters Beale AFB Homepage YF-22 and YF-23 Lockheed Skunk Works Star Re: Lockheed Skunk Works Star Re: YF-22 and YF-23 Re: Lockheed Skunk Works Star Re: YF-22 and YF-23 Re: YF-22 and YF-23 -Reply Wired on UAVs Transcript of Cuban pilots' attack See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BaDge Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:14:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ftp site location? Hi, Looking for the ftp site for back issues of the List, and can't connect to ftp.orst.edu. Anyone know where the site is now? regards, ________ BaDge ------------------------------ From: Side Show Marc Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:18:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: re: Daylight Stealth Using Floodlamps I know this might seem a little simplistic but wouldn't it just be a case of having a light meter pointing 180 degrees from your lamp so that your lamps brightness could be matched to the ambiant light behind you? Or better yet, have the light meter slaved to your targeting device so that (in the case of an aircraft) as you close your lights brightness matches what the target sees behind you. Or maybe it doesn't have to be that exact. Maybe you only have to get it close. The Nova demonstration didn't seem all that sophisticated. Just thinking out loud. ___________ Marc Studer ___________________________________________ "Life is a fair approximation of reality." - Jacques Portman ______________________________________ mstuder@spu.edu ___________ On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Wyatt Earp wrote: > At 03:09 AM 2/19/96 -0 > If one were to need a system that would 'fly blind', with no observer to > provide feedback, it would require extensive training one the part of the > lamp operator. (BTW what is the 'lamp operators' real title?) This training > would most likely involve many exercises involving a feedback situation with > an observer. Sounds like a lot of work too me, but the military has a > tradition a being good at hard work! > > > Thanks, > > Wyatt > > ------------------------------ From: JOHN SZALAY Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 18:33:41 EST Subject: SR-71 Seminar notice Received this in the E-Mail bag this afternoon. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From:"AEROSP-L@SIVM.BITNET" "Aeronautics & Aerospace History" To: Multiple recipients of list AEROSP-L Subj: SR-71 M E A --- The Manassas, Virginia based non-profit organization dedicated to Educating the Public about aviation, aerospace, and aviation history is proud to announce the first of a series of aviation history seminars. =========================================================== SR-71 B L A C K B I R D >>>>>> AN EVENING W I T H T O M A L L I S O N - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Tom Allison, curator of the National Air and Space Museum, is a retired SR-71 Pilot with extensive experience in the exotic craft. Get up-close to a famous American aviator. He will present exclusive videos of the Blackbird during his two hour presentation and answer your questions. The event will be held on March 4th, 1996 at the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge at Seven Corners, Virginia. For information call 202-364-1581 or E-MAIL to HPCOOPER@AOL.COM. ------------------------------ From: "Richard M. Operhall" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:05:54 -0600 Subject: Air Force Patch Collector's Homepage This is a little off charter but...announcing the USAF patch collector's homepage at: http://www.cris.com/~roperha/patch.html Included on this site are images of some of the patches used by the USAF units flying the SR-71, U-2, and F-117. Richard Operhall roperha@okstate.edu ------------------------------ From: John Burtenshaw Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:26:14 -0100 Subject: re: Daylight Stealth Using Floodlamps At 20:31 23/02/96 -0800, Wyatt Earp wrote: > >How did they decide on the proper brightness setting for the lamps? Did >they use a feedback system, or rely on the skill and experience of the lamp >operator? I guess it was down to experience - I've never read if there was an interactive system used but it's a possibility. >If one were to need a system that would 'fly blind', with no observer to >provide feedback, it would require extensive training one the part of the >lamp operator. (BTW what is the 'lamp operators' real title?) I have a feeling it was down to the bomb aimer. > >>Another aspect of the RAF's UP-Boat killers were their microwave radars. I >>recently attended a conference on radar at which a real old-timer spoke >>about how he developed a system so that the microwave radar fitted on the >>RAF sub hunters would give the appearance of the aircraft going in the >>opposite direction. The UP-Boat would sit on the surface recharging its >>batteries in the safe knowledge that it had not been seen, then -POW!!- the >>RAF would bomb it. Fascinating stuff. > >Yes, very fascinating! Does anyone have any references where I can read >more about this? The conference was organised by the Centre for the History of Defence Electronics here at my University. The www page is http://chide.bournemouth.ac.uk I'll try and get an outline of the talk and post on the list. Cheers John =========================================================================== "Buy an Apple Mac - I'd rather buy a Big Mac" John Burtenshaw Systems Administrator, The Computer Centre, Bournemouth University - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Postal Address: Talbot Campus, Fern Barrow, POOLE, Dorset, BH12 5BB U.K. Internet: jburtens@bournemouth.ac.uk Phone: 01202 595089 Fax: 01202 513293 AX.25: g1hok@gb7bnm.#45.gbr.eu. AMPRnet: g1hok.ampr.org. (44.131.17.82) CompuServe: 100336.3113@compuserve.com =========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: fmarkus@pipeline.com (Frank Markus) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:23:15 -0500 Subject: re: Daylight Stealth Using Floodlamps Maybe this sounds simplistic but ... how would someone in an aircraft know the location of the observer? I assume that if one knew the angle from which he was being observed, then he could match the background as seen from the observer's point of view. How does one determine that crucial factor? Worse, wouldn't adjusting one's brightness for one observer tend to make one more visisble to other observers? Another thought: In color photography, one adjusts the color of the sky by use of a polarization filter which is highly sensitive to the angle of the incident light (the sun). Wouldn't disguise scheme of the sort being discussed by very suseptible to the use of simple polarised (sun)glasses? ------------------------------ From: bsmith@zippynet.com (Brentley Smith) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:11:03 -0500 Subject: email address change Please change my email entry from "bsmith@coil.com" to "bsmith@zippynet.com". (Sorry for the email here, but not sure where else to send it.) Brentley bsmith@zippynet.com ------------------------------ From: seb@tadpole.co.uk (Steven Barber) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:46:55 GMT Subject: Daylight stealth I don't think that polarization, etc, matters too much here. You're not really foolling the eyeball so much as the brain behind it. The US Marines painted the rim of the air intakes on their AV8s gloss *white* during Desert Storm, as this reduced the apparent visibility of the large black intakes against the bright desert sky. Note the use of WHITE, not duck-egg blue or anything else to match the sky. Steve ------------------------------ From: "I am the NRA." Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 18:53:45 EST Subject: skunk hunters If i was going, i'd go for the F117 that went into the national park/forest in California. (Sequioa/Kings Canyon?) (arguably, a sort of 'war grave' so mayhap it should rest in piece...) That aside, Metal detectors are on a notably different freq, the structure is metal (not composite, mostly). At the time i wrote a quasi humorous piece for a mil list about the 'crash camo crew' loading up with discarded circuit boards, etc, to 'salt' the site, for the edification of anyone who came a looking... regards dwp ------------------------------ From: jstone@shivasys.com (John Stone) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 04:24:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Beale AFB Homepage Hey, The Beale AFB, Home of the U-2, former home of the SR-71, homepage is up and running at http://www.beale.af.mil/ It's kinda of interesting, if your interested you might check it out.... Best, John | / ^ \ ___|___ -(.)==<.>==(.)- --------o---((.))---o-------- SR-71 Blackbird U-2 Dragon Lady John Stone jstone@shivasys.com U-2 and SR-71 Web Page http://www.shivasys.com/blackbird/ ------------------------------ From: benny@sirius.com (Tom Gorman) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:58:21 -0800 Subject: YF-22 and YF-23 I was watching the Weekday Wings last night concerning Stealth Aircraft and there was a signifigant feature on the YF-22 and the YF-23. It seemed to me that from the show's coverage the big differences in the craft were: - -The Ruddervators and other Stealth additions on the YF-23. - -The placement of the engines (close together on YF-22 for manuevers and apart on the YF-23) - -6 extra feet of length on the YF-23 - -Extra armament capability on the YF-23 - -And the vector trail caused by a hard turn on the YF-23. Considering all of this, it seems to me that the 23 is a superior plane, what with its manueverability, stealth, and armament. This leads me to ask, why was th YF-22 chosen? Is there something I missed? Any answers? tom ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Lockheed Skunk Works Star The latest Skunk Works Star from February 23, 1996, Vol. 6, No. 2, has a bunch of nice little articles, and includes the announcement of LMSW's own WWW home page: http://www.lmsw.external.lmco/lmsw/ It also mentions that the book "The Guts To Try: The Untold Story of the Iran Hostage Rescue" by James H. Kyle can be ordered from Primer Publishers, 5738 N. Central, Phoenix, AZ 85012, Phone: (800) 658-5830, Fax: (602) 234-3062. The book costs $16 (plus $2 S/H), and contains information about the elusive YMC-130H Hercules SOF aircraft, which were modified by Lockheed Ontario. Further Star articles, topics and photos include: U-2, JAST, SR-71, DarkStar, EC-130E, LASRE, F-117A and others. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: Michael Chui Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:29:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Lockheed Skunk Works Star Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl write: >The latest Skunk Works Star from February 23, 1996, Vol. 6, No. 2, has a >bunch of nice little articles, and includes the announcement of LMSW's own >WWW home page: > >http://www.lmsw.external.lmco/lmsw/ Actually, that should be: http://www.lmsw.external.lmco.com/lmsw/ ^^^^ Michael Chui mchui@cs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:46:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: YF-22 and YF-23 On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Tom Gorman wrote: > Considering all of this, it seems to me that the 23 is a superior plane, > what with its manueverability, stealth, and armament. This leads me to > ask, why was th YF-22 chosen? Is there something I missed? Any answers? > Officially, they said that YF-22 is has better manueverability than YF-23 (better fighter), but YF-23 is stealthier than YF-22 (better interceptor). But, I think it is all politic... Same thing I heard about the YF-16 and YF-17. They said that YF-17 was a better airplane but they choose YF-16 because of pure politic reason... Anybody have other opinion of what is the main difference between both airplane? May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:49:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Lockheed Skunk Works Star Michael Chui wrote: >Actually, that should be: >http://www.lmsw.external.lmco.com/lmsw/ > ^^^^ Ooops, thanks for the correction -- I must have been too excited. :) This is by the way only another name for a site at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Space Company, and equivalent to: http://juggler.lmsc.lockheed.com/lmsw/ - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 03:34:10 PST Subject: Re: YF-22 and YF-23 tom writes: >-And the vector trail caused by a hard turn on the YF-23. If you mean the vapor trail (I`m not familiar with a "vector trail") - don`t be so quick to blame the airframe. Its more likely the weather. Why was the `22 chosen? My guess is it was a F17-type decision. Good plane, just not all there yet. Chuck ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL WEATHERSBY Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:13:52 -0500 Subject: Re: YF-22 and YF-23 -Reply You guys correct me if I am wrong... the YF-23 was a little more radical than the YF-22. I think that the AF wanted a plane that was a little more standard in appearance (for whatever reason) along with other "stuff" that I am not sure about. As for the YF-17 vs. YF-16 it seems like I remember hearing that they were very close in performance but the 16 was a little better (performance and politically). The YF-17 was redesigned and reborn as the F/A-18 which (IMHO) is a much better aircraft than the original YF17 ever thought about being. I think that the Navy and Marine Corps got a much better product with the F/A-18 than the Air Force would have received in the YF-17.. I guess this is not very skunky but the subject was there... What is the opinion of the list on the Discovery Channels "Wings" episode last night about the SR-71? We should really get back to something a little more "skunky". :) tom writes and chuck continues.. >-And the vector trail caused by a hard turn on the YF-23. If you mean the vapor trail (I`m not familiar with a "vector trail") - - don`t be so quick to blame the airframe. Its more likely the weather. Why was the `22 chosen? My guess is it was a F17-type decision. Good plane, just not all there yet. Chuck ------------------------------ From: rar20@cus.cam.ac.uk (Rafal Rohozinski) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:51:57 +0100 Subject: Wired on UAVs Attention all skunkers, Just as an aside, the latest issue of Wired magazine (UK version) has an extended peice on UAV's including Predator, Hunter and Darkstar. I am not sure if the US version of the magazine carries the same peice. regs, Rafal - ----------------------------------------------------------- Rafal Rohozinski Project Manager UNITED NATIONS INTERNET PROJECT rar20@cus.cam.ac.uk rafal@un.kiev.ua WWW: http://www.un.kiev.ua UK telephone: (1223) 33-54-41 UK Fax: (1223) 33-50-65 After hours: (1223) 460-359 ------------------------------ From: Dave.Tilbury@UK.Sun.COM (David Tilbury - Sun UK) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:45:22 GMT Subject: Transcript of Cuban pilots' attack (AP) -- Transcript of radio traffic relating to Saturday's downing of U.S. civilian Cessna aircraft by Cuban air force MiGs. The transcript was released in English by U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Madeleine Albright. Cessna 1 (to Havana): Good morning, crossing parallel 24 (about 55 miles north of Cuba), right about now we're going to remain in this area 5 hours. Havana (to Cessna 1): Verify code and responder. Cessna 1 (to Havana): With 1224. (The responder code transmitted by the Cessna assists Havana in identifying it on radar.) Havana (to Cessna 1): In what zone are you going to do your work? Cessna 2 (to Havana): Responding 1223. Crossing 25th parallel in 5 minutes. Havana (to Cessna 2): Received. Cessna 3 (to Havana): Good afternoon, greetings. We are crossing parallel 24, please, in 5 minutes and we will be in the area around 3 or 4 hours. We are responding 1222, 500 feet. Havana (to Cessna 3): Thank you. Cessna 3 (to Havana): (Pause) For your information, the area of our operations (is) to the north of Havana today. So we will be in your area in contact with you. Give him cordial greetings from Brothers to the Rescue, from its president, Jose Basulto, who is talking. Havana (to Cessna 3): Sir, be informed that the zone north of Havana is activated, (garble) you, danger behind 24 north parallel. Cessna 3 (to Havana): We are aware that we are in danger each time we cross the area to the south of the 24th but we are willing to do it as free Cubans. Havana (to Cessna 3): Thanks, copy that information. Cessna 3 (to Havana): Thank you very much. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Taking off on a 90-degree heading? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): On a 90-degree heading. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Right. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Altitude? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Altitude 1,700. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Are you below the cloud cover? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Come again? Ground Control (to MiG-29): Are you below the cloud cover? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): There are no clouds here. Ground Control (to MiG-29): OK. Keep on searching below you on the right. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): OK, on the right, copied. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Continue on a 90-degree heading. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): OK, we are continuing. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): We see three aircraft. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): OK, there are aircraft moving here; they stay together and then they separate. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Right. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Work over there on the left, there is an aircraft coming from the north. Ground Control (to MiG-29): We are going to explore 30 kilometers (about 18 miles) to the north of Havana. To the right (broken up). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Copied. Ground control (to MiG-29): (Transmission blocked by static). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Negative. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): On a heading of 70. Ground Control (to MiG-29): (Static). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): 270, OK. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Give me some pointers, I do not have it in sight. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Right. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Are you still turning left? MiG-29 (to Ground control): Come again? Ground Control (to MiG-29): Are you turning to the left? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Copied. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): On a heading of 70 north of Havana. Ground Control (to MiG-23): What is your altitude? MiG-23 (to Ground Control): 200. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): To the north? Ground Control (to MiG-29): (Transmission too weak). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Roger, the target is north of Baracoa (pilot is referring to Playa Baracoa). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): On a heading of 270. Ground Control (to MiG-29): That's right, a heading of 270 to your (fades). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Roger. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Go ahead. Ground control (to MiG-23): (Transmission weak). Heading of 330 we're going to look to the north. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): 330 to the left. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Right. MiG-29 (to MiG-23): There is a very large vessel there. MiG-23 (to MiG-29): I just saw it. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Turn on your radar. MiG-29 (Ground Control): Connected. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Connect the radar and everything is complete. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Connected. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Look for it beneath you. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Beneath end to the north of Playa Baracoa about 30 kilometers. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): On parameters. Ground Control (to MiG-23): What is its altitude? MiG-23 (to Ground Control): 200. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Understood. MiG--29 (to Ground Control): 1500. Ground Control (to MiG-29): The targets are at an altitude of 200-300 meters (650-1,000 feet). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Roger. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Look for them beneath you. Ground control (to MiG-23): Climb to 1,000. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): 1,000. Ground Control (to MiG-29): (Transmission blocked) kilometers to the target. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Roger. Altitude 1000. Ground Control (to MiG-23): (Acknowledges). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): 1,500. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Begin to turn to your right to a bearing of 30 degrees. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): You mean pilot 08? Ground Control (to MiG-29): Pilot 13. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Roger 30 degrees to the right. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): I have it below me, it's a large vessel. Ground Control (to MiG-23): You have a target 10 degrees to your left, at a distance of 12 kilometers (seven miles). MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Negative, it is a large vessel that I have here to the left. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Keep searching. MiG--23 (to Ground Control): Roger. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Turning left 270 degrees. MiG-23 (to Ground control): What I have to the left right now is a large passenger ship. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Do you have the target I told you about in front of you? MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Right now it's to the left. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Roger. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Don't you see the target? MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Come again? Ground Control (to MiG-23): You have the target at 30, I have it in front of you. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Right. What I have is a vessel. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Roger, we are going to continue on a little further. Ground Control (to MiG-23): The vessel does not have a globe (balloon) on the outside? MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Negative, nothing is seen on it. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Roger. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Do you have pilot 08 in sight? MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Yes. Ground Control (to MiG-23): And this is for 08, connect the UVD. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Roger, connecting UVD. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Connected. Ground control (MiG-29): Continue searching in that zone. Ground Control (to MiG-23): The target is north of Sante Fe at a distance of 25 kilometers (15 miles). MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Roger right now it's on a course of 180, at an altitude of 1,000. Ground control (to MiG-29): Come again? MiG-23 (to Ground Control): On a course of 180 at an altitude of 1,000. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Roger. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): With another launch in sight on 90 degree heading to the right. Ground Control (to MiG-23): You have it to the left 30 degrees distance (garbled). Ground Control (to MiG--29): Do you copy me? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Come again? Ground Control (to MiG-29): The target (cut off). MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Look (stops). Ground Control (to MiG-29): (Finishes sentence) to the left. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): OK, the target is in sight. It's a small aircraft. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Copied, a small aircraft in sight. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): OK, we have it in sight, we have it in sight. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): The target is in sight. MiG-23 (to MiG-29 and Ground Control): The target is in sight. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): In sight, in sight. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Roger, (blocked by static). MiG-23 (to Ground control): It's a small aircraft, a small aircraft. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): It's white, white. MiG-23 (to MiG-29): I'm going to climb to an altitude of 2,000. Ground Control (to MiG-23): Color and registration of the aircraft. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): The registration also. Ground Control (to MiG--23): What kind and color? MiG-23 (to MiG-29): It is white and blue. MiG-29 (Ground Control): White and blue. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): The white and blue small aircraft, at a low altitude, a small aircraft. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): Give me instructions? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Instructions. MiG-23 (to Ground control): Listen, authorize me (stops). MiG--29 (to Ground Control): We are going to give it a pass, we are going to give it a pass. MiG-23 (to MiG-29): If we give it a pass, it will complicate things. MiG-29 (to MiG-23): We are going to give it a pass. MiG-23 (Ground Control): Talk, talk, (imperative mood). Ground Control (MiG-23): Tell me if you are receiving me. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): I have it in lock-on, I have it in lock-on. MiG-23 (to Ground Control): We have it in lock-on. Give us authorization. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): It is a Cessna 337. MiG-23 (to MiG-29): That one, that one (shouting). Give us the (expletive). Ground Control (to MiG-23): Give us the (expletive) (still shouting) that we have. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Authorized to destroy. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): I'm going to fire at it. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Authorized. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Authorized to destroy it. MiG-29 to (Ground Control): We already copied, we already copied. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Authorized to destroy it. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Where is it? In front? Ground Control (to 08): Authorized to destroy. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Already. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Authorized. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): Roger, that was already received. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): (Garbled) now. Ground Control (to MiG-29): Have you already fired? MiG-29 (to Ground Control): First launch. MiG-29 (to Ground Control): We gave him balls; (repeated twice) (screaming). MiG-23 (to MiG-29): (Screaming). MiG--29 (MiG-23): We took out his balls (shouting). MiG-23 (to MiG-29): Wait, wait, look and see where it fell. MiG-29 (to MiG-23): We gave him (shouting) (one word garbled). MiG-29 (to MiG-23): Mark the place where we took it out. It's (garbled). MiG-23 (to MiG-29): This one won't mess around any more. ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #626 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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