From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #647 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 13 April 1996 Volume 05 : Number 647 In this issue: Re: Re[2]: contract for classified SENIOR CITIZEN aircraft? Re: identify [C4I-Pro] FW: McDonnell Douglas warranty card (fwd) Re: identify Re: Warhead Detection Re: contract for classified SENIOR CITIZEN aircraft? Re: Warhead Detection Re: The Aviary (fwd)(1/2) "Anyone heard of this.... Blank Mail Note Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #646 Skunky prophesy? Re: Warhead Detection See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re[2]: contract for classified SENIOR CITIZEN aircraft? On Fri, 12 Apr 1996 Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com wrote: > One of our think tank people here and I had a very interesting > (and disturbing)talk along these lines. He was explaining how > the frequency of conflicts between nations increases dramatically > when the world is unipolar or power is ill defined. The world has > shown itself to be the most stable when it is bipolar (in terms of > military might.) The frequency of conflict drops way down. > Unfortunately, the severity of conflict increases. The latest > thought, however, is that the current rise in conflicts and the > availability of technology may very well lead to enormous escalation > from one or more of the many "small" conflicts. ( As was born out with > Iraq`s invasion of Kuwait!) > > Therefore, we can conclude the US should spend every dollar > available to develope systems to protect us from our own > leadership`s stupidity! Do you realize how dependable is USA with respect to gasoline???? USA main energy to run almost everything incluiding our airplanes are gasoline!!! So... think about this... What happen if countries in the middle East (our main provedor of gasoline) specifically Saudit Arabia turn against USA (As Nostradamus predict it will happen around the year 2,000). We can depend in our own reserve... But not for long term. Another thing is after the collapse of the Soviet Union... I heard that there was about 7 ICBM missing!!!! (maybe more than that)... I predict that Middle East countries bought those ICBM in the black market. So... If there will be a Third World War... Will worse than all the World War combine (WWI and WWII)... I don't wanted to create tension to anybody... But we have to face the reallity... May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "I didn't know how empty was my soul...until it was fill" King Arthur (Excalibur) ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 18:30:03 GMT Subject: Re: identify E-mail the originator below with any ideas on this non-UFO[?]: ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ >Very interesting. The outline is a little (very little) like a B-2's, but the >B-2 wouldn't have had the lights of course. >A few questions come to mind: >1) Could you estimate the size? >2) How fast was it moving, and was it moving like an airplane or hovering? >3) Is there any regular military air traffic in the area? >4) Did it make any noise? >It kind of resembles a craft I had heard about that had been spotted in the >Western US that has been referred to as the "Big Wing". >Jay Hi Jay I couldn't say how big it was. I can tell you that it was totally silent, and thus seemed to be pretty high up, in which case it must have been very big (like a bomber), and faster than an airliner, judging by the perceived velocity. On the other hand, if the aircraft design was inherently silent, then there's no telling the size or speed. It moved in a straight path like an airplane, but didn't have a flashing beacon or wingtip lights, as required by FAR. So it probably is military, although I've never noticed a lot of military traffic over Dallas. I don't think its any sort of alien space vehicle, I just can't figure out what it is. Matt Melton **************************************** Matt Melton shipper, patriot melt-01@mail.utexas.edu 512-469-0721 ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 18:36:41 GMT Subject: [C4I-Pro] FW: McDonnell Douglas warranty card (fwd) Forwarded from the C4I-PRO list: ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: [C4I-Pro] FW: McDonnell Douglas warranty card (fwd) Author: "Waylan, Craig, 1Lt, SAM-GNSP" at smtp-fhu Date: 11/04/1996 0842 "Waylan, Craig, 1Lt, SAM-GNSP" Got this on another mailing list; it seemed the thing to post here.(Note - the 'McD-D' logo is best viewed in a fixed-width font). 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Please write to: McDONNELL DOUGLAS CORPORATION Marketing Department Military Aerospace Division P.O. Box 800 St. Louis, MO 55500 ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 18:30:03 GMT Subject: Re: identify E-mail the originator below with any ideas on this non-UFO[?]: ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ >Very interesting. The outline is a little (very little) like a B-2's, but the >B-2 wouldn't have had the lights of course. >A few questions come to mind: >1) Could you estimate the size? >2) How fast was it moving, and was it moving like an airplane or hovering? >3) Is there any regular military air traffic in the area? >4) Did it make any noise? >It kind of resembles a craft I had heard about that had been spotted in the >Western US that has been referred to as the "Big Wing". >Jay Hi Jay I couldn't say how big it was. I can tell you that it was totally silent, and thus seemed to be pretty high up, in which case it must have been very big (like a bomber), and faster than an airliner, judging by the perceived velocity. On the other hand, if the aircraft design was inherently silent, then there's no telling the size or speed. It moved in a straight path like an airplane, but didn't have a flashing beacon or wingtip lights, as required by FAR. So it probably is military, although I've never noticed a lot of military traffic over Dallas. I don't think its any sort of alien space vehicle, I just can't figure out what it is. Matt Melton **************************************** Matt Melton shipper, patriot melt-01@mail.utexas.edu 512-469-0721 ------------------------------ From: "Ralph S. Hoefelmeyer" <70436.511@compuserve.com> Date: 13 Apr 96 02:27:54 EDT Subject: Re: Warhead Detection From Su Wei-Jen >Another thing is after the collapse of the Soviet Union... I >heard that there was about 7 ICBM missing!!!! (maybe more than that)... I >predict that Middle East countries bought those ICBM in the black market. The 23 Mar 93 (94?) issue of US News & World Report stated that there were missing *tactical* nuclear warheads from Tashkent. Also, there were Tashkenti nuclear technicians seen in Teheran, Iran. hmmm.... ICBMs? I don't think so. Tac Nukes? No doubt here. Certain foreign government personnel or the Russian criminal element (and probably ours, too, in objectivity) will sell anything not nailed down, and they've got crowbars for those items. Now for skunk tie in, how can we detect this? UAVs with scintillation counters patrolling *all* borders, including coastal areas? My particle physics is very rusty, so I'm not sure whether or not one can shield these devices from passive detection. Could one use active detection via, say, a particle beam, to detect these puppies? Of course, one runs into power supply problems, etc., so what about LAVs which are also UAVs? Then again, do we wish to irradiate everyone crossing our borders? It would sure play hell on pacemakers! And the astronomical cost! If you think the "war on drugs" is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle, wait till you see the bill on this one. And these types of items *would* affect us, especially if one lives near a target area. Interesting problem. Ralph ------------------------------ From: Brad Hitch Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: contract for classified SENIOR CITIZEN aircraft? On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 TRADER@cup.portal.com wrote: > Background: About 3 years ago, I launched my campaign to reform military > policies. I figured that since peace was breaking out all over, the military > and the intelligence agencies would change their paranoid Cold War mentality, > and the taxpayers would have a lean and efficient defense. (MIT did some > studies showing that if we could get the Europeans and Japanese to pay for the > costs of their defense, and the military didn't waste money, defense spending > would cost only 70 billion dollars a year.) > > As I started looking into the situation I quickly realized the power of the > military-industrial complex that Eisenhower had warned about when he left > office. I went down to the local federal documents depository and started > poring through military budgets, and saw the huge arms build-up that had > occurred during the Reagan and Bush administrations. Then, I read Tim Weiner's > 1991 book "Blank Check" about secret military spending. I studied the military > budgets and found billions of dollars going to classified programs. I read > Congressional testimony about the military budget and some programs were so > sensitive that only the committee chairman and ranking minority member of the > House and Senate Armed Services Committees were allowed to know about them,and > they could only be discussed in the vault in the Capitol. At that point, as a > taxpayer, I became irate, and started filing numerous Freedom of Information > Act (FOIA) cases, with various military services and intelligence agencies, so > I could expose what was going on. > > Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com / PaulMcG@aol.com > http://www.portal.com/~trader/secrecy.html > You should read "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" by Paul Kennedy. The downfall of almost every great power has been the diversion of wealth to unproductive military purposes that slows their economic growth while other countries with low military expenditures can rev up their economic engines. These trends occur on the order of centuries. Witness what the military expenditures and deficit spending of Spain did to that former world power. On the other hand if you don't spend enough on the military then your competitors will take advantage of that too, but it is probably better to error on the side of lower defense spending. Military power follows economic power (watch China). However, advanced technology has always been a large factor in the outcome of these struggles through history so funding the Skunkworks may be money well spent (see? tied it in after all!) ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 05:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Warhead Detection On 13 Apr 1996, Ralph S. Hoefelmeyer wrote: > The 23 Mar 93 (94?) issue of US News & World Report stated that there were > missing *tactical* nuclear warheads from Tashkent. Also, there were Tashkenti > nuclear technicians seen in Teheran, Iran. hmmm.... > > ICBMs? I don't think so. Tactial or strategical (intercontinental) missile... what the hell... as long as some maniac bought nuclear warhead... it is over. Question: How easy is to get only the nuclear warhead to USA territorry? I mean only the warhead!!! The warhead is not that big... So... by the same method the illegal drug get in to USA, it will apply to a nuclear warhead. In the USA borders is relative easy to get in illegal inmigrants... So, if one of them carry a nuclear warhead... There is thousands of way to put a nuclear warhead in USA territory passively and detonate whenever they want. Does we have any way to detect nuclear warhead in our own territory? If it so... they may use another type of technology to hide it. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "I didn't know how empty was my soul...until it was fill" King Arthur (Excalibur) ------------------------------ From: dadams@netcom.com (Dean Adams) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The Aviary (fwd)(1/2) "Anyone heard of this.... > BIRDS OF A FEATHER: > NO MORE UFO/ET-DISCLOSURE POLICY SPLITS COVERT NETWORK > by Richard J. Boylan Ph.D. FYI... this is skunk-works, *not* cheap-fiction. > The relationship of Aviary members to MJ-12 group is murky. More than one > UFO researcher estimates that some overlap in membership has occurred, in > other words that MJ-12 has quietly infiltrated the Aviary to keep it under > control. Dr. Steven Greer, Director of CSETI, has reported that the MJ-12 > Group is now designated PI-40. No, i'm SURE he meant to say WD-40. ------------------------------ From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:50:57 PDT Subject: Blank Mail Note Matt Melton writes: > I've never noticed a >lot of military traffic over Dallas. Which Dallas are you talking about!? Dallas Texas is swamped with Navy and SAC traffic. lets see... DNAS Carswell (in Fort Worth) GD Cental Illinois Airlines (at Love and Addison) for just a few of the hitters. Oh yeah, E systems, Rockwell Bell, I even had the rare distinction of seeing an F4 make a goodly sized crater next to I-35 back in the late 70`s. Chuck ------------------------------ From: jeremy.compton@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Jeremy Compton) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 00:56:44 +1200 (NZST) Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #646 > >------------------------------ > >From: "Arif, Rahan" >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 14:44:04 cst >Subject: The Aviary (fwd)(1/2) "Anyone heard of this.... > > ------------- > ===>"FORWARDED"<=== > ------------- > > >From: density4@cts.com (Blue Resonant Human) >Subject: What is The Aviary? (1/2) >Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 05:24:15 GMT >Organization: CTS Network Services > >BIRDS OF A FEATHER: >NO MORE UFO/ET-DISCLOSURE POLICY SPLITS COVERT NETWORK > >by Richard J. Boylan Ph.D. > >Since sometime in the 1970's, a small group of individuals with extremely >high security clearances, who were working on various aspects of UFO >research and policy, began to interact unofficially on a regular basis to >pool information. Their objectives were to coordinate data, see the big >picture, analyze the meaning of UFOs and extraterrestrial contact with >Earth, use this knowledge to gain access to additional information on the >Interesting you talk about MJ-12 , l read a very interesting book which >had some interesting information on this it was (Bill) Willam Copper's >book "Behold the Pale Horse" Cooper, Milton William. "Behold a pale horse" / Milton William Cooper. Sedona, AZ : Light Technology Pub., c1991. It is available in the library system in the states because that is where l cut and pasted the reference from. There's also Stan Deyo's book "The Cosmic Conspiracy " He has a web site with the covers of his two books shown with the table of contents. Http://www.iinet.net.au/~stan deyo/ l 'm quite sure this is correct. or you can do a web search (WWW) for his name and you will probably get his american mirrowed site. I know he talks about the difference Majority 12 and MJ -12 , apparently there is meant to be quite a difference. Try these two books as l'm sure you'll find them very helpful. These guys aren't nuts but have spent a bit of time in the US Armed Forces and know what they 're on about. - Whether you believe them or not it makes for very interesting reading. (There's Another very interesting book which you might find very helpful "The Committee of 300" l forget the guys name its a british book written by a very senior MI5 or MI7 Intelligence officer.) hyper secret Majestic-12 (MJ-12, the government's ultimate UFO-information >control and policy group) and gain special influence through their >collective power. This elite group of roughly a dozen individuals working >on national security assignments gave themselves code names, using mostly >bird names. Collectively, they came to be called the "aviary." > >The relationship of Aviary members to MJ-12 group is murky. More than one >UFO researcher estimates that some overlap in membership has occurred, in >other words that MJ-12 has quietly infiltrated the Aviary to keep it under >control. Dr. Steven Greer, Director of CSETI, has reported that the MJ-12 >Group is now designated PI- 40. This hyper classified group deals with >the most sensitive compartmented information regarding extraterrestrials >and is so covert a special-access program that, reportedly, the President >and Congress exercise no control over it and know of it only through >rumor. > >Dick D'Amato, National and International Security Specialist for Senator >Robert Byrd and a member of the N.S.C., stated in 1991 that an incredibly >powerful "black arm" of the government has been keeping UFO information >secret and has also been illegally spending enormous sums of money in this >operation. D'Amato said that the NSC is trying to identify this >"blackarm." > >Ironically, the answer may be right under their noses. It is quite >possible, that PI-40 exists within a highly, compartmented, special-access >program, yet with informal informational links to the National Security >Council's "5240" (Black Projects) Committee. While there may be some >overlap between the Aviary and the PI-40 group, they remain two separate >entities. PI-40 is clearly at the top; it is the policy and decision >group which has orchestrated the UFO cover-up since 1947, simultaneously >releasing little fragments of UFO/ET information to gradually condition >the American public to the slowly-dawning realization of UFO reality. > >Leaked reports from sources close to some Aviary members, suggest that >there is a split within the group (which may well mirror a split within >PI-40). On one side are Aviary members who feel that information about >UFO and ET contacts should be broadly disclosed. They feel that the >public is ready for this information and generally can handle it. Others >within the Aviary resist such disclosure. They do not want to lose the >power their "information monopoly" gives them. They do not welcome close >public scrutiny of their role in the UFO cover-up, either. > >Additionally, some have reportedly engaged in illegal and sometimes >injurious projects and operations. The split over disclosure is creating >a climate in which leaks are increasing, as some try to force disclosure >and establish a track record for themselves of (belated) candor with the >American public. Most Aviary members appear to be well- intentioned >scientists or former military or intelligence officers with careers >spanning the Cold War, who no doubt sincerely believe that secrecy about >UFOs was once vital. > >Following is a list of reported Aviary members: > >o BLUE JAY: Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, MD, Ph.D; Chief, > Biomedical Sciences Department, General Motors, former head > of the CIA's UFO files at the "Weird Desk." > >o SEA GULL: Bruce Maccabee, Ph.D., research scientist in > optical physics and laser weapons applications at the U.S. > Naval Surface Weapons Lab, Maryland; MUFON physics/photo- > interpretive consultant and prolific author of andconsultant > expert on selected "leaked" or disinformational UFO cases/ > topics. > >o PELICAN: Ron Pandolfi, CIA Deputy Director for the Division > of Science and Technology and current custodian of UFO files > at the "Weird Desk"; may be involved in the White House > initiative to promptly release UFO informationto the public. > >o OWL: Hal Puthoff, physicist with the Institute for Advanced > Research in Austin, Texas, who specializes in Zero-Point Energy, > a quantum/resonance physics phenomenon with reported potential > for above-unity ("free") energy. > >o PENGUIN: John Alexander, Ph.D. in Death Sciences; Lt. Col. > U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, which is > undoubtedly the military cover for the National Security Agency, > Col. Alexander is director of the Non-Lethal Weapons Department, > Los Alamos National Laboratory, and has been reportedly involved > in counter-intelligence remote viewing, psychic warfare, > psychotronic and mind-control projects with military/security > applications. > >o HAWK: Ernie Kellerstrauss, security cleared for UFO information; > worked at Wright-Patterson AFB in the 1970s and reportedly lived > with an extraterrestrial for a while. > >o CHICKADEE: Cmdr. C.B. Scott Jones, Ph.D., USN (Ret.), former > officer with the Office of Naval intelligence and other > agencies; 30 years service in U.S. intelligence overseas; > involved in government research and development projects for > the Defense Nuclear Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, > Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and other > organizations; former aide to Sen. Clairborne Pell, who has > had a long-standing interest in UFOs and the paranormal and > has tried to arrange Congressional hearings on UFOs. > >o CONDOR; Capt. Bob Collins, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, Air > Force Office of Special Investigations, engaged in UFO-related > intelligence operations, reportedly appeared clandestinely on > the 1988 Kodak-produced network television disinformation > program "UFO Cover-Up Live" > >o FALCON; Sgt. Richard "Dick" Doty, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, > Air Force Office of Special Investigations; reported to have > engaged in UFO disinformation projects, including reportedly > hoaxing TV producer Linda Howe concerning availability of a > tape showing a UFO landing at Holloman Air Force Base, N.M. > and allegedly waging psychological warfare on Albuquerque > defense electronic contractor Paul Bennewitz. > >o CHICKEN LITTLE: Dan Smith, civilian UFO research/volunteer > liaison among sources within the Central Intelligence Agency, > the Congressional Intelligence Committees and civilian UFO > researchers. Smith continually exchanges information and > networks with key UFO researchers, serves as their interlocutor > and shares their findings and his own with his sources at the > CIA and on Capitol Hill. Undoubtedly, other "assets" and low- > profile intermediaries of the Aviary operate for the UFO- > interest community as its ears and surrogate mouthpieces > among the general public. > >The above was edited from the November/December issue of >"Perceptions" available in Portland at various locations: >Barnes & Nobel, Tower Books, 6th and Washington News and >Rich's Cigar Stores. OR by sending $4.95 to > >Perceptions Magazine >10734 Jefferson Boulvard >Suite 502-IS 12 >Culver City, CA, 90230 >E-Mail: perceptions@primenet.com >Internet:http//www.primenet.com/perceptions. > > >------------------------------ > >End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #646 >********************************* > >To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: > > subscribe skunk-works-digest > >in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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Jeremy Compton Jeremy.Compton@Stonebow.Otago.ac.nz ------------------------------ From: tracker@wic.net (Dave Rosen) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:24:46 -0600 Subject: Skunky prophesy? OFF TOPIC ALERT On Fri, 12 Apr 1996 Wei-Jen Su wrote, in part: > Do you realize how dependable is USA with respect to gasoline???? > USA main energy to run almost everything incluiding our airplanes >are gasoline!!! > So... think about this... What happen if countries in the middle >East (our main provedor of gasoline) specifically Saudit Arabia turn against >USA (As Nostradamus predict it will happen around the year 2,000). Do you really someone human can see far into a future in which all our actions and decisions are already decided by someone's master plan? Do you believe we have no free will to change our actions and fool the wise Nostradamus? That we live our futile lives as puppets, with unseen prophets jerking our strings? > We can depend in our own reserve... But not for long term. When you say "long term," do you think of "long" as a month, or as a decade? In the "short term" of only a century or two, it will all be gone, no matter whose land it is buried under now. > I don't wanted to create tension to anybody... But we have to >face the reallity... If you really do believe in prophesy, why must we face reality? If the fabric of the future is already woven, why must we do anything? If all is pre-ordained, all our lives are meaningless. We should just sit in our bomb shelters and drink beer. Dave Rosen ------------------------------ From: tracker@wic.net (Dave Rosen) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:24:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Warhead Detection >On 13 Apr 1996, Wei-Jen Su wrote: > Question: How easy is to get only the nuclear warhead to USA >territorry? I mean only the warhead!!! The warhead is not that big... >So... by the same method the illegal drug get in to USA, it will apply to >a nuclear warhead. In the USA borders is relative easy to get in illegal >inmigrants... So, if one of them carry a nuclear warhead... There is >thousands of way to put a nuclear warhead in USA territory passively and >detonate whenever they want. Makes the whole "Star Wars" concept seem futile, eh? Just hide a warhead inside a big bale of marijuana and smuggle it into L.A. In the future there will likely be instances of terrorists taking out a city every now and then. Pretty scary. But not nearly as scary as thousands of ICBM's passing each other over the North Pole. It's all in how you look at it. If we avoid lingering in potential target areas, and get our gov't to deal openly and fairly with others, our odds will improve. Dave Rosen ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #647 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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