From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #658 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: Skunk Works Digest Monday, 20 May 1996 Volume 05 : Number 658 In this issue: Re: B-1B in World Air Power re: B-1B in World Air Power Re: Time Travel (off-charter rambling) Time Travel Re: B-1B in World Air Power F-117A colors changing? Re: B-1B in World Air Power JSF Re: Time Travel Re: Time Travel (off-charter rambling) Operation Trojan Horse Re: Time Travel Re: Time Travel Sea Shadow Re: Time Travel Re: Time Travel msg Dylan Palomino Re: Time Travel More Stealthy AF pix... delta clipper Tacit Blue See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fmarkus@nyc.pipeline.com (Frank Markus) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:24:08 GMT Subject: Re: B-1B in World Air Power The photo is on page 80. On May 16, 1996 05:13:37, 'quellish@shore.intercom.net (Dan Zinngrabe)' wrote: >I've been to Barnes and Noble several times recently to peek at the Spring >World Air Power (being the starving student/writer, I haven't had the heart >to part with $20 for it yet). There's a great article on the B-1B, but one >photo caught my attention- a belly shot of a B-1B supposedly carrying >AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles under test. It shows several objects >attached to the underside of the Bone that obvioulsy aren't ACMs- rather >than the nail-like shape, they look like cocoons or peapods. It mentions >external pylons for ACM carriage on the B-1, but these only *remotely* >resemble pylons! They look undesirable for use as pylons, more of a lifting >body shape. Anyone know what these are? Perhaps a black standoff weapon?? > > ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Thu, 16 May 96 8:52:27  Subject: re: B-1B in World Air Power Haven't looked at tht particular picture lately, but the AGM-129 when it's folded up does look like a peapod or cocoon. Art Hanley Don't even think, not for a second, That what I said above has anything To do with my employer's position. ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Thu, 16 May 96 9:14:26  Subject: Re: Time Travel (off-charter rambling) That changing history paradox is the basis for about a zillion SF speculations (remember, that's why Kirk had to let Edith Keeler die). Of course, if history Was changed, no one would know. Probably the ultimate book on these paradoxes was "The Man Who Folded Himself", by David Gerrold. In order to follow it, you've got to really be in the right frame of mind. The foundation of the book is the ultimate paradox. An individual is working at home one day, when his future self appears to him and gives him a belt-like device which allows him to travel through time. He uses the belt to see and do various things, encountering himself at various times throughout history until the day he gives the belt to his past self to make the whole thing possible. Question: Where did the belt come from in the first place? This is Way off charter, but thought-provoking. BTW, has anyone else come across stories in the press (I am not making this up) that at one time the Government was funding research on whether or not it would be possible to develop a way to explode nuclear weapons on an enemy's territory--in the Past? Art "Submitted for your approval" Hanley Despite what you might want to Believe, none of any of the above Even remotely has anything to do With my employer. ------------------------------ From: Robert.Herndon@Central.Sun.COM (Robert Herndon) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:58:00 -0600 Subject: Time Travel Even the experts find it difficult to talk intelligently about it. There are some neat paradoxes in general relativity, showing that time travel is possible near large (galaxy scale) masses separated by small distances (meters or less), and some interesting conundra also relating to orbits around extreme (i.e., rapidly spinning) black-holes that are looped in space-time (e.g., an orbit that not only returns to the same place, but the same _time and place_). Causality gets peculiar in these situations, and space-time fixpoints start making traditional notions of time and space bizarre. Since we can't manipulate the masses required, this is all in the realm of the *completely* hypothetical, which skunk-works is not devoted to. This is _seriously_ off-charter, and much as I might like to discuss such things, this isn't the place. Let's move on to other things. /r ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: B-1B in World Air Power Dan Zinngrabe asked about the B-1B photo in WAPJ Volume 24, Spring 1996, on page 80. The aircraft shown (USAF FY-serial '85-0068', "28", the 28th B-1B) is one of only two aircraft modified to carry the stealthy, now canceled, General Dynamics-built AGM-129A ACM (Advanced Cruise Missile) in an extended intermediate weapons bay (up to 4) and on external stores (2 each on 6 removable dual-pylons). The aircraft was used to test internal and external captive-carriage and jettison/separation of those missiles with Captive Flight Test Missiles (CFTM) and Dummy Separation Missiles (DSM). No live firings of AGM-129As from B-1Bs were conducted. To comply with SALT II provisions, only 12 of the 14 external stations were used for cruise missile carriage, and both aircraft (the other one was USAF FY-serial '84-0049', "9", the 9th B-1B, which was mainly used to test AGM-86B ALCM (Air Launched Cruise Missile), AGM-69A SRAM (Short Range Attack Missile) and AGM-131A SRAM II missiles) had white-painted, non-functional 'dummy' ALT-32H ECM-antennas (Electronic Counter Measure) installed on top of the fuselage as External Obvious Difference (EOD), so the aircraft could be easily identified on satellite photos as modified for cruise missile carriage. Similarly, cruise missile-carrying B-52Hs also had ALT-32H antennas installed, while cruise missile-equipped B-52Gs had wing root extensions as EODs. The 6 pylons, seen on the photo, look similar to conformal pylons for AIM-54A Phoenix missiles on F-14 Tomcats, when viewed from the side. They could hold either 2 AGM-86B or 2 AGM-129A cruise missiles, side-by-side. The photo also shows three camera pods (one under the cockpit, facing aft, and two under the right engine nacelle, one facing aft and one forward), which were used to film the captive and separation tests. Both aircraft were re-modified to operational standard, without these capabilities, after the tests were completed (or rather the project was canceled). I know that this post is off-topic, but I haven't seen an on-topic post here for quite a while anyway. One interesting aspect is the relatively small size of the dummy antenna used as EOD, especially when viewed from above/sideways, which says a lot about 'acknowledged' satellite-photo resolutions! - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:09:42 -0700 Subject: F-117A colors changing? I just got a heads up from a pretty reliable source that a grey F-117A with black insignia passed in front of him at a right of way at Holloman yesterday afternoon. Dark grey with darker (black) insignia. That aircraft was joined by other F-117A's for takeoff that were painted in the color scheme we're used to. Seeing them next to each other was rather striking my source said. He didn't catch tail no., as he was trying to figure out just what it was that looked so different about that one F-117A. If finally struck him after the aircraft had passed. It doesn't sound like one of the Scorpion or originally grey Lockheed flight test aircraft that's still flying. The grey sounds darker than that. Oh, well, I guess time will tell. Larry ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Thu, 16 May 96 17:21:24  Subject: Re: B-1B in World Air Power Hey Andreas, Don't worry. Your post was the most on-topic for some time. After all, the AGM-=129 was a Stealth cruise missile, wasn't it? Art Hanley These views are only my own and do not represent my employer's (Whew! Stayed out of jail again!) ------------------------------ From: chosa@chosa.win.net (Byron Weber) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:54:16 Subject: JSF The June '96 Popular Science has an interesting article on the competition for The Next Jet Fighter. It sounds like a mad rush to fly prototypes. Lockheed Martin's entry has a clipped-delta wing, aft horizontal stabilizers and and outward canted vertical tails. From the pictures it looks much like the F-22. All the contractors built in one form or another STOVL and vectoring capabilites. The May 13,'96 AW&ST has an article showing Lockheeds JSF candidate completing tests (86% scale). Looks just slightly different from the PS diagram with the wings a litte aft. Personally, I like the look of McDonnell/Northrop JSF, a hybrid X-36/F-22, probably more X-36, really beautiful, performance aside. Byron ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Time Travel On Wed, 15 May 1996, Wei-Jen Su wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 May 1996, Doug Tiffany wrote: > > > > > May I ask how you know, in fact, that all this is going on? :) > > No coments. Sorry, I can't say anything else. I will see if it is > appropiate to realease some more information about it. > OK. After consult to some people, and by the request of many of you, I am going to release new information that will not cause "any harms". It is not quite relative with Skunk Works but it is what I believe the most important and fascinating project to the humanity ever done by the Black World of the US goverment!!! Since I can't autodestruct this e-mail. I will appreciate all of you not to forward, copy, print, etc. any partial or total portion of this text. Please, respect my wish. The reason I am realeasing this information is to share with you any knowledge about this subject. About a year ago, I asked about this subject (twice), and now it is my third time... The "secret theory" of time travel is: The Swivels Theory!!! This theory is understandable only by few genius on this nation. And of course, I am not one of those :( . But, the only things I can tell, it turn in 180 degrees the theory of Quantum Mechanics and they redefine the notion of space and time. Now, after the success of the theory, in 1966 the program was divide in three: 1) A program of a trip to another dimension in our own galaxy (I don't remember the name of the Operation). 2) A program of a trip to the future: Operation Marco Polo. 3) A program of a trip to the past: Operation Trojan Horse. In the Operation Trojan Horse, there was three options which they have to selecte only one of them: 1) Date: March-April of year 30 A.D. Mission: Make observation of the last days of passion and death of Jesus of Nazaret. 2) Date: 1478 A.D. Place: "Wood Island". Mission: Try to find if Christopher Columbus had recieved confidential information, from a pre-discover of America, about the existence of new lands, and the routes to get there. 3) Date: March 1861 A.D. Place: United States of America. Mission: Make knowledge of the antecedent of the War of Recession and thinking of the just elected president Abraham Lincoln. The Operation Trojan Horse choose the option number 1. And it succeded in January 25, 1973. I did some research by myself from different ways about this Theory and story. And it is real. Believe it or not. I think I release more information that I supposse to. But... DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF SWIVELS THEORY OR OPERATION TROJAN HORSE???? May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die..." Roy Batty (Blade Runner) ------------------------------ From: "J. Pharabod" Date: Fri, 17 May 96 09:49:57 SET Subject: Re: Time Travel (off-charter rambling) On Wed, 15 May 96 15:35:02 SET I wrote: >Could it be that he was speaking only of the twin paradox ? SR (Special >Relativity) tells that travelling at 99 % of the speed of light >enables you to come back home only 1 year older, while people staying >at home become 10 years older As probably everybody has noticed (?), there was a mistake. It's not 10 years, it's 7 years (I was quoting from memory instead of making the completely elementary calculation). 10 years correspond to 99.5 % of the speed of light. J. Pharabod ------------------------------ From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 02:56:34 PDT Subject: Operation Trojan Horse Wei -Jen Su Wrote: >DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF SWIVELS THEORY OR OPERATION >TROJAN HORSE???? Well , I can`t release any data on Swivels theory, but I can tell you about "Operation Sit on This and Rotate", where all immigrants to the US are given top secret information about black projects with the potential to change society as we know it. This includes proofs that quantum theory is "180 degrees" off. Its all contained in a manilla folder given with the visa. (All of this was conceived at PARC. The DALEKS from the planet Scaro gave us the technology. The Gallifreyens are are really miffed that such a primitive race as ours now has the secret of Rassilon. The conspiracy supposedly includes a general Stewart of the Royal Navy. ) PS - scientists would never say 180 degrees off, but Pi radians. Chuck ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Fri, 17 May 96 9:48:20  Subject: Re: Time Travel You realize, Wei-Jen, that now that you've sent this message all they have to do is go back and keep you from learning about it and then these messages will have never been sent and we'd all wonder why there's bee so few messages this week. Of course if they're not so benign, they could insure there never was a Wei-Jen, so... Be Careful Art "Temporal Discontinuity" Hanley My employer disavows any knowledge of my actions and keeps hoping that I'll self- destruct in five seconds ------------------------------ From: jgregor@bitbucket.engr.sgi.com (John Gregor) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:04:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Time Travel Art "Temporal Discontinuity" Hanley wrote (will write?): > Of course if they're not so benign, they could insure there never was a > Wei-Jen, so... Oh, if only it were so! JohnG -- Who has had his fill of crap from Wei-Jen ------------------------------ From: habu@why.net (habu) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:29:44 -0700 Subject: Sea Shadow Check out this jpeg from LMSC's web page: http://www.lmsc.lockheed.com/newsbureau/photos/ss4.jpeg I know this has nothing to do with time travel, but I thought I'd post it anyway... ;) Actually, it does have something to do with time travel, but I'm not allowed to talk about it. At least I shouldn't talk about it. Unless, of course, someone asks me... I shouldn't even have mentioned it! But I did - or did I? Or will I? Orwell... Greg Fieser Opinions expressed herein did not, do not, and will not respresent those of my past, present, or future employers... (that should cover it!) ------------------------------ From: chosa@chosa.win.net (Byron Weber) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:28:13 Subject: Re: Time Travel Might it be possible Wei-Jen Su misidentified twister theory as Swivel theory. As quantum theory evolved it became increasing apparent that the conceptual structure of the spacetime 'continuum' did not explain observations in quantum fluctuations. Numerous attempts were made to dismiss it, one by Penrose with his 'twistor theory.' He proposed there are no spacetime points, but rather systems of lines whose intersections are equivalent to points in classical theory. When subjected to quantum fluctuations the lines do not intersect at all, satisfying the dictomy between relativistic and quantum observations with respect to spacetime. Thats sort of 180 degrees different? I suspect Im right. This might hereafter be referred to as the 'screwed sideways and upside down with a dash of myth theory.' Here is a follow up question. Is the screw right or left handed, ie, does it preserve symmetry? I think not. Byron > > >On Wed, 15 May 1996, Wei-Jen Su wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 15 May 1996, Doug Tiffany wrote: >> >> > >> > May I ask how you know, in fact, that all this is going on? :) >> >> No coments. Sorry, I can't say anything else. I will see if it is >> appropiate to realease some more information about it. >> > > OK. After consult to some people, and by the request of many of you, >I am going to release new information that will not cause "any harms". It >is not quite relative with Skunk Works but it is what I believe the most >important and fascinating project to the humanity ever done by the Black >World of the US goverment!!! > Since I can't autodestruct this e-mail. I will appreciate all of >you not to forward, copy, print, etc. any partial or total portion of >this text. Please, respect my wish. > The reason I am realeasing this information is to share with you >any knowledge about this subject. About a year ago, I asked about this >subject (twice), and now it is my third time... > The "secret theory" of time travel is: The Swivels Theory!!! > This theory is understandable only by few genius on this nation. >And of course, I am not one of those :( . But, the only things I can >tell, it turn in 180 degrees the theory of Quantum Mechanics and they >redefine the notion of space and time. > Now, after the success of the theory, in 1966 the program was >divide in three: > 1) A program of a trip to another dimension in our own galaxy (I >don't remember the name of the Operation). > 2) A program of a trip to the future: Operation Marco Polo. > 3) A program of a trip to the past: Operation Trojan Horse. > > In the Operation Trojan Horse, there was three options which they >have to selecte only one of them: > 1) Date: March-April of year 30 A.D. Mission: Make observation of >the last days of passion and death of Jesus of Nazaret. > 2) Date: 1478 A.D. Place: "Wood Island". Mission: Try to find if >Christopher Columbus had recieved confidential information, from a >pre-discover of America, about the existence of new lands, and the routes >to get there. > 3) Date: March 1861 A.D. Place: United States of America. >Mission: Make knowledge of the antecedent of the War of Recession and >thinking of the just elected president Abraham Lincoln. > > The Operation Trojan Horse choose the option number 1. And it >succeded in January 25, 1973. > > I did some research by myself from different ways about this >Theory and story. And it is real. Believe it or not. > I think I release more information that I supposse to. But... >DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF SWIVELS THEORY OR OPERATION TROJAN >HORSE???? > > May the Force be with you > > Su Wei-Jen > E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu > > > "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. > Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. > I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > Time to die..." > Roy Batty (Blade Runner) > > > ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 04:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Time Travel On Fri, 17 May 1996 ahanley@usace.mil wrote: > You realize, Wei-Jen, that now that you've sent this message all they have to > do is go back and keep you from learning about it and then these messages will > have never been sent and we'd all wonder why there's bee so few messages this > week. Of course if they're not so benign, they could insure there never was a > Wei-Jen, so... I know that. But, one of "their" Gold Rule is not to cause any change in the history. But there was "some accident". > > Be Careful Thank you very much for your concern. It have been about 24 hours after I released the information and I am still alive!!! The reason is that the information I released are not "critical" for them. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die..." Roy Batty (Blade Runner) ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 13:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: msg Dylan Palomino This is a message to Mr. Dylan Palomino. Please, check your e-mail account since I can't go through your account. It is not I ignore you. Sorry to the list. But, this is the only way I can get in touch to him (maybe). May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die..." Roy Batty (Blade Runner) ------------------------------ From: Denver Sommers Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 13:31:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Time Travel At 09:48 AM 17-05-96, you wrote: >You realize, Wei-Jen, that now that you've sent this message all they have to >do is go back and keep you from learning about it and then these messages will >have never been sent and we'd all wonder why there's bee so few messages this >week. Of course if they're not so benign, they could insure there never was a >Wei-Jen, so... > >Be Careful Sounds kind of like "Back to the Future" or in a round about way, "Total Recall" - ----- Bye for now... ------ --------> Denver Sommers denver@redrose.net <-------- ------------------------------ From: BaDge Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 22:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: More Stealthy AF pix... If you have WWW capability, the site: http://www.dtic.mil/airforcelink/index.html ...has hi-rez pics of the Predator, the TB, and other experimentals/UAVs and stuff. The pix are quite large, and 16 million colors, so make sure you have the capabilities to read/view them. regards, ________ BaDge ------------------------------ From: hendefd@tech.duc.auburn.edu (Frank Henderson) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:53:47 -0500 Subject: delta clipper What's the scoop on the recent delta clipper test flight. I saw a brief clip of it landing while on fire. I missed the intro to the clip but afterwards they said damage was minimal. Just wondering if there was more news available. # Frank Henderson | Div. of Univ. Computing # Network Services /0\ Security Administrator # X-500/Gopher Manager \_______[|(.)|]_______/ # Auburn University o ++ 0 ++ o hendefd@mail.auburn.edu ------------------------------ From: Mike Freeman Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:49:47 -0400 Subject: Tacit Blue Does anyone have the address for the page that was up about the Tacit Blue? I think that Paul McGinnis was the one that had it up, but I went to his page and can't find it. Thanks. Mike ******************************************* < > < Mike Freeman > < 1204 Hubbard South > < Michigan State University > < East Lansing, MI 48825 > < > < Email: freema22@pilot.msu.edu > < Web Page: www.msu.edu\user\freema22 > < > < Pray for Peace in Ireland > ******************************************* ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #658 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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