From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #678 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: Skunk Works Digest Wednesday, 17 July 1996 Volume 05 : Number 678 In this issue: Undeliverable Message [none] X-33 Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! Re: B-2s in flight. Ben Rich re: Ben Rich Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! -Reply re: MiG Pilot? It will works? Skunk surfing ? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 18:20:13 MDT Subject: Undeliverable Message To: Cc: Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #677 Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: CooleyJD98@CS09@USAFA VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The maximum message limit for a user's mailbox is 10,000. The default message limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set message limits using the Mailbox Settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the user must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. - ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 16 July 1996 Volume 05 : Number 677 In this issue: Re: Anybody there? -Reply re: Anybody there? Lockheed X-33 [SR-71] Darkstar Re: Anybody there? Re: Anybody there? Re: Anybody there? anybody here War Games Re: anybody out there.... Re: anybody out there.... Re: Anybody there? MiG Pilot? A request Santa Claus Re: Santa Claus post LPI Radar Re: LPI Radar Re: post Darkstar RPV Tacit Blue Anew Re: LPI Radar Re: LPI Radar Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! Saving the Burbank Skunk Works..... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clew@netcom.netcom.com (Hypoxic Wombat) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:59:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Anybody there? -Reply >Yep, I am here... anyone else?? > >>>> Joseph F. Donoghue 7/12/96, 10:58am >>> > >Did this list self-destruct again? > >Joe Donoghue *hand waving* I'm here... c. - - -- The avalanche has already started. It's too late for the pebbles to vote. <*> clew@netcom.com http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2925 - ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:51:50  Subject: re: Anybody there? No, it's only sleeping Art Hanley "My employer has nothing to do with this" (keeps the lawyers happy) - ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:12:27 GMT Subject: Lockheed X-33 [SR-71] Forwarded from the Space Tech list: ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:42:20 -0400 From: Peter Bellini RI-Roger Lepsch Subject: Lockheed X-33 The F-117 and SR-71 are well and good, but how many skunk works engineers know how to design something that goes to orbit (Mach 25)? Pete Bellini - ------------------------------ From: Adam Maas Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:57:00 -0400 Subject: Darkstar In response to Mark Loney's post about hearing DarkStar on the radio, DarkStar is an UAV being developed for the USAF that is currently being flight-tested. Adam Maas - ------------------------------ From: chosa@chosa.win.net (Byron Weber) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:43:20 Subject: Re: Anybody there? > >>Did this list self-destruct again? > >Comm. Check! > Back from the dead, also, skeptical as ever: Anyone noticed how many contracts Lockheed Martin has scored lately? What do John Deutch and William Perry have in common? (other than highly influencial gov jobs) They both worked for Martin Marietta before joining the Clinton administration. Newsday 7/28/94- "Flak For Defense Merger," Patrick J. Sloyan ...heck, why not, as long as it includes contracts for the skunk works. Byron - ------------------------------ From: TrimtabNYC@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:56:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Anybody there? I'm here. Maybe the entire list is watching Independence Day. - ------------------------------ From: Albert H Dobyns Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:29:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Anybody there? Earl Needham wrote: > > > From: larry@ichips.intel.com, on 7/12/96 9:36 AM: > > > > >Did this list self-destruct again? > > > > Comm. Check! > > > > Larry > > KD5XB HERE. > Earl Needham, KD5XB, in Clovis, NM > Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Pi Chi '76 > Have you really jumped ROUND PARACHUTES? (Overheard at the Clovis Parachute > Center) This is beginning to remind me of the part in the movie WarGames where everyone at NORAD is waiting for someone in Alaska and someone in Maine to tell them they are still alive. Trivia: The General in the movie says to scramble 2 F-16s from somewhere in Alaska (I think). Next scene is 2 F-15s flying. I think he probably meant to say "F-15" but flubbed it. Al - ------------------------------ From: jaz5@ix.netcom.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 00:20:13 -0700 Subject: anybody here I'm here too! - ------------------------------ From: dougt@u011.oh.vp.com (Doug Tiffany) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 6:11:02 EDT Subject: War Games > > This is beginning to remind me of the part in the movie WarGames > where everyone at NORAD is waiting for someone in Alaska and > someone in Maine to tell them they are still alive. > Did you ever wonder why they didn't just tell JOSHUA to stop playing the game? Something like: Joshua, I don't want to play Global Thermonuclear War anymore, let's play chess. - - -- Douglas J. Tiffany dougt@u011.oh.vp.com Varco-Pruden Buildings Van Wert, Ohio - ------------------------------ From: John Stone Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 07:44:10 -0400 Subject: Re: anybody out there.... I'm here also..... I guess traffic just slowed, everyone on vacation........ John | / ^ \ ___|___ -(.)==<.>==(.)- --------o---((.))---o-------- SR-71 Blackbird U-2 Dragon Lady John Stone jstone@thepoint.net U-2 and SR-71 Web Page:http://www.thepoint.net/~jstone/blackbird.html - ------------------------------ From: (Jay Waller) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 11:12:12 EDT Subject: Re: anybody out there.... Most of the people in my area have been camped out on Netscape getting the latest satellite images of the hurricane. I hope the pier I fish on is still there! Regards, Jay - ------------------------------ From: Side Show Marc Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Anybody there? Actually the deal with the flubbed F-15/F-16 line in Wargames was that the millitary didn't want anything to do with Wargames so the producers were forced to substitute stock footage insted of getting the Falcons they wanted. ___________ Marc Studer ___________________________________________ "Life is a fair approximation of reality." - Jacques Portman "Two plus two equals Duh." - Jacques Portman ______________________________________ mstuder@spu.edu ___________ > > This is beginning to remind me of the part in the movie WarGames > where everyone at NORAD is waiting for someone in Alaska and > someone in Maine to tell them they are still alive. > > Trivia: The General in the movie says to scramble 2 F-16s from > somewhere in Alaska (I think). Next scene is 2 F-15s flying. > I think he probably meant to say "F-15" but flubbed it. > Al > - ------------------------------ From: Christopher Zguris Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MiG Pilot? Just started reading SR-71 REVEALED, _great_ book. The author goes into _incredible_ detail about the plane, including defensive systems and vulnerability. He mentions a book called MiG Pilot, I was wondering of anyone out there might have a copy they're willing to sell? Chris ====================================================================== Christopher Zguris - czguris@interport.net - Uhhh, Ear? 1991 Honda VFR (Red, with red accessories) AMA, HSTA, CRV, HRCA, VFRIOC, ex-Big Apple Vegetarian 'Hello officer. I'm stupid so please speak slowly' - PERFORMANCE BIKE Helmet Sticker ====================================================================== - ------------------------------ From: kramerm@ccsg.tau.ac.il (Martin Kramer) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 03:50:56 +0200 Subject: A request I've added myself to the mail group because I don't know anything about advanced technology aircraft and I want to know more. If you could please email me information to get me started it would be most appreciated. If you could also let me know if there are any UFO, X-Files, ID4 related email groups I would very much appreciate it. THank you very much. Kramer - ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 03:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Santa Claus I remember in the last Chrismas some people in this list was making joke of Stealthy Santa Claus. Who start with all this???? Because I just remember I read times ago about a Stealth ship that has the nickname of "Santa Claus". Coincident or was a leak??? May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!" Roy Batty (Blade Runner) - ------------------------------ From: freeman@netcom.com (Jay Reynolds Freeman) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 04:53:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Santa Claus I wrote a poem to the meter of "The Night Before Christmas" which featured Santa and stealth technology. But no leak, at least, not to my knowledge. -- Jay Freeman - ------------------------------ From: kramerm@ccsg.tau.ac.il (Martin Kramer) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:17:33 +0200 Subject: post Can anyone tell me what Santa Claus has to do with aircrafts and stuff? I don't know anything about advanced technology aircraft. I'm only 14 after all. Can someone please explain. Kramer - ------------------------------ From: Christopher Paul Diehl Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LPI Radar Hi Everyone, Here's a question for those of you who are knowledgeable about radar. How does one make a low-probability-of-intercept (LPI) radar? Is the use of frequency hopping the standard method for achieving LPI? Or are there other techniques which are used? Chris - ------------------------------ From: thad@hammerhead.com (Thaddeus J. Beier) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:18:53 -0700 Subject: Re: LPI Radar Chris, Another way, that's really pretty easy, is to use Impulse Radar. Instead of broadcasting at a particular frequency, send out a strong pulse, say, for a nanosecond. This covers all frequencies. Sending out these pulses at random intervals, and correlating the echoes to those intervals, yeilds a radar that is almost undetectable (unless you know the random pattern) and also is very good at picking up otherwise stealthy objects. I've heard a lot of whining that Impulse Radar (or Ultra-Wideband Radar UWB) is not getting the funding it deserves because it will detect expensive planes easily. I'm not sure if this is true; but it sounds reasonable to me. thad - - -- Thaddeus Beier thad@hammerhead.com Visual Effects Supervisor 408) 286-3376 Hammerhead Productions http://www.got.net/~thad - ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 18:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: post On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Martin Kramer wrote: > Can anyone tell me what Santa Claus has to do with aircrafts and stuff? I > don't know anything about advanced technology aircraft. I'm only 14 after > all. Can someone please explain. > Kramer There is nothing relative. It is just a coincidence that Mr. Jay Reynolds Freeman wrote a "poem" about Santa Claus delivering gift in Christmas which radar operators can not pick it up because it is Stealth. And recently I remember I read a Stealth airship with the nickname of "Santa Claus". There is a lot of books that talk about advance aircraft technology. If you like Skunk Works you can start with: - Rich, Ben; Janos, Leo: "Skunk Works". Little, Brown and Company. - Miller, Jay: "Lockheed's Skunk Works - The Official History...". Midland Publishing Ltd. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!" Roy Batty (Blade Runner) - ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 96 15:20:49 GMT Subject: Darkstar RPV Forwarded from the Forteana list: ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Just to update a story which appeared in FT 89 regarding the cash of a Darkstar RPV prototype at Edwards AFB. The Discovery Channel programme "Flightline" recently featured RPV design and production. As a part of this, the Darkstar was filmed at the "Skunk Works" with its' designer. It's like a small B2 bomber and was described as a "bathtub with wings". It has stalth capabilities and the US Government is "very keen" to aid in its' development. Apparently the only problem they have is that the thing won't stay in the air and they have so far lost 3 (should that be 4 ?) of them. - - -- Steve Barnett ..."the stars are matter, we are matter, but it doesn't matter..." Captain Beefheart - ------------------------------ From: drbob@creighton.edu Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 17:52:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Tacit Blue Anew While scouring a book recently for some definitions, I came across the terms "Tacit Blue." Not too surprising today, but the book was originally published in 1990, so its compilation had to have been sooner. The book is Leo Carl, _The International Dictionary of Intelligence_ (McLean, VA: Maven Books, 1990). It is privately printed and now has a revised edition forthcoming. The ISBN of the old first edition is 0487234234. The book received some very poor reviews by intelligence experts, in large part because it contains terms such as Tacit Blue which have, according to one reviewer, nothing to do with intelligence. I bring this matter to the attention of Skunk Works afficinados as a way to prompt "a look backward." This suggests that we ought to make a quick review of all those old books laying on the shelf and reconsider some of the "chaff" within them. I haven't found any other terms in the book which may be revealing about other projects as yet-to-be declassified, but it's worth a glance. Besides, given the current message traffic, this seems a good time to take advantage of the lull in electrogravimatics discussion...... Dr Bob - ------------------------------ From: fmarkus@nyc.pipeline.com (Frank Markus) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:26:22 GMT Subject: Re: LPI Radar On Jul 14, 1996 14:18:53, 'thad@hammerhead.com (Thaddeus J. Beier)' wrote: >Chris, > >Another way, that's really pretty easy, is to use Impulse Radar. Instead >of broadcasting at a particular frequency, send out a strong pulse, say, >for a nanosecond. This covers all frequencies. Sending out these pulses >at random intervals, and correlating the echoes to those intervals, yields >a radar that is almost undetectable (unless you know the random pattern) >and also is very good at picking up otherwise stealthy objects. I don't understand why a strong pulse (or series of randomly spaced pulses) on all frequencies would not be readily detectable. Every detector in the the area would necessarily receive the burst and its sequelae. The fact the the pulses were randomly space would not seem to prevent their appearing -- and reappearing -- on every detector screen in the area and being readily tracked. So I must be missing something. What makes impulse radar difficult to detect? - ------------------------------ From: Christopher Paul Diehl Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: LPI Radar > I don't understand why a strong pulse (or series of randomly spaced > pulses) on all frequencies would not be readily detectable. Every detector > in the the area would necessarily receive the burst and its sequelae. The > fact the the pulses were randomly space would not seem to prevent their > appearing -- and reappearing -- on every detector screen in the area and > being readily tracked. So I must be missing something. What makes impulse > radar difficult to detect? I'm not sure how much this will help but I'll throw this out. There are things I'm leaving out to simplify matters and probably things I have not considered so I welcome comments/corrections. Let's say for the moment that we are sitting on the battlefield with our broadband antenna and our job is to alert someone if an impulse radar is present out there somewhere. So we decide to simply watch the spectrum. How do we generate this spectrum? We simply take the received signal r(t), sample it, and segment it into components. We then take the short-time (or windowed) Fourier Transform of each segment and look at the evolution of the magnitude of the spectrum from segment to segment. Now if the spacing between pulses were equal, we had a good idea what the noise spectrum for the environment looked like, and we got lucky and partitioned r(t) such that one pulse falls into each segment, then we could probably identify the presence of the pulse. (I'm glossing over some details here) But once the spacing goes random, the segment may contain half a pulse, two pulses, etc. so the signal component due to the radar is not deterministic anymore. The spectrum does not change in some clearly defined way from segment to segment. There are some more advanced signal detection methods which may address this situation better but I won't comment on them since I know next to nothing about them. I hope this helped. If not, give me a hollar and I'll try again. Chris - ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:05:19 -0700 Subject: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! I saw a B-2 for the first time on Sat and the Portland Rose Festival Airshow. WOW, what a COOL plane! It's rather quiet. It made 2 passes and you could hear turbofan engine noise but it was definitely on the quiet side. However, when the aircraft left the show, they hit the throttles and we got quite a roar as they climbed out quickly as they departed. Quite a roar from a non-afterburning aircraft! The B-2 is quite a sight to behold!! It definitely has a very unusual like quality to it. The people next to me said they thought it looked like a real thin piece of sheet metal shaped like a wing. You could see the drag rudders working and all. We were especially lucky as a B-17G had just proceeded the B-2, just finishing its show routine just before the B-2 flew by. It was quite a contrast. 60 years of technology! WOW, very cool plane! I have to call the 509th at Whiteman and thank them! Larry - ------------------------------ From: rages@anarchy.arc.nasa.gov (Kathy Rages) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! > I saw a B-2 for the first time on Sat and the Portland Rose > Festival Airshow. (Self-pity mode on) Is everybody in this country going to see one of these things before I do? My father lives 20 miles from Whiteman, and I'm back there twice a year, and I STILL haven't had so much as a glimpse of one. (Self-pity mode off) - - -- Kathy Rages - ------------------------------ From: John Stone Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:06:01 -0400 Subject: Saving the Burbank Skunk Works..... Hi all, I've been trying to remember if someone elso posted this earlier, if so I'm sorry, if not please read on....A friend sent me a copy of the May 1996 "Pacific Flyer" with an article on this guys fight to save the old Burbank Skunk Works buildings, as the airport authority of Burbank is trying to tear then down. There is also a move to use some of these buildings as a home to the Burbank Aviation Museum. C.R. "Chappie" Czapiewski is trying to save at least one of these old hangers that housed the Skunk Works, and where countless famous and historical aircraft were conceived and built. What he needs is letters of support, so if you would like to support his cause to save at least one of these famous buildings... Please write him at this address: C. R. Czapiewski; 10720 Hortense St.; North Hollywood, CA 91352. Thanks for checking this out, Best, John | / ^ \ ___|___ -(.)==<.>==(.)- --------o---((.))---o-------- SR-71 Blackbird U-2 Dragon Lady John Stone jstone@thepoint.net U-2 and SR-71 Web Page:http://www.thepoint.net/~jstone/blackbird.html - ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #677 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent to either "skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu" or, if you don't like to type a lot, "prm@mail.orst.edu A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "skunk-works-digest" in the commands above with "skunk-works". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from mail.orst.edu, in /pub/skunk-works/digest/vNN.nMMM (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). ------------------------------ From: agentx@closer.brisnet.org.au (Matthew Etherington) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:11:16 +1000 Subject: [none] Doug Tiffany wrote : >> >> This is beginning to remind me of the part in the movie WarGames >> where everyone at NORAD is waiting for someone in Alaska and >> someone in Maine to tell them they are still alive. >> >Did you ever wonder why they didn't just tell JOSHUA to stop playing >the game? Something like: Joshua, I don't want to play Global >Thermonuclear War anymore, let's play chess. Even if this had been tried, it wouldn't have worked, because the moment Lightman first logged in with Falken's backdoor password, Joshua took over the system, and wouldn't release it until the game had finished. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Some men see things the way they are, and say 'Why?' I dream things that never were, and say 'Why not?'" -- Robert F. Kennedy - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Etherington =8^) [ agentx@closer.brisnet.org.au ] =8^) -- PESSIMIST IS WHAT AN IDEALIST CALLS A REALIST -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Of Mice And Men Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:58:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: X-33 The July 13th edition of NEW SCIENTIST has a short (3/4 page) article about the X-33. It gives the basic details of operation, quite interesting Pat ______________________________________________________________________________ 'If you never happen to get this mail, Will anybody read it? I hope it makes the journey. The words I write matter to me, it would be a shame if they were wasted, and lost in an electronic void, for an eternity' [md1br@herts.ac.uk] [32-11-42-13-51-24-42-34] [Copyright P.Joyce 1996] ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Of Mice And Men Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:52:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Kathy Rages wrote: > > I saw a B-2 for the first time on Sat and the Portland Rose > > Festival Airshow. > > (Self-pity mode on) > > Is everybody in this country going to see one of these things before I do? > My father lives 20 miles from Whiteman, and I'm back there twice a year, > and I STILL haven't had so much as a glimpse of one. > > (Self-pity mode off) > > -- > Kathy Rages > Lucky you, Unless some b-2 owning supersecret,ninja,alien contacting,third world country destabalising agency accidentally makes the mistake of flying one over LONDON (Thats LONDON, ENGLAND) at a slow speed and very low, I will probably never see one at all! *snif* Pat ______________________________________________________________________________ 'If you never happen to get this mail, Will anybody read it? I hope it makes the journey. The words I write matter to me, it would be a shame if they were wasted, and lost in an electronic void, for an eternity' [md1br@herts.ac.uk] [32-11-42-13-51-24-42-34] [Copyright P.Joyce 1996] ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: habu@why.net (habu) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:01:04 -0700 Subject: Re: B-2s in flight. The "Dallas Air Show" (Sept. 7-8) is advertising a B-2 flyby on Saturday, Sept. 7 at Love Field, Dallas TX... Information number listed as: (214) 350-3600 Greg Fieser Since I'm Self-Employed, the above views DO represent those of my employer... ------------------------------ From: jrittman@postoffice.newnham.utas.edu.au (Jason) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:31:39 +1000 (EST) Subject: Ben Rich I picked up a rumour a few months ago (possibly somewhere on the net) that Ben Rich had passed away. Could someone clarify this for me? Also what are the current plans for the procurement of the F-22? Being way down here in Tasmania, Australia information is usually outdated by the time it reaches here. Regards Jason Rittman ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 9:44:11  Subject: re: Ben Rich Ben Rich did indeed pass away last year. Present plans are for 400 and something (I can get the exact number tonight, if someone doesn't post it first) F-22s, all single-seaters. ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Of Mice And Men wrote: > Lucky you, > Unless some b-2 owning supersecret,ninja,alien contacting,third > world country destabalising agency accidentally makes the mistake of > flying one over LONDON (Thats LONDON, ENGLAND) at a slow speed and very > low, I will probably never see one at all! The B-2 flow over Europe (incluiding England) during Paris Air Show last year. Fly over London is very possible because I live in NYC, and one time the B-2 flow over Manhattan!!! It was flying with a couple of others military airplane. Friends of mine thought that we were in the middle of the World War III already. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "Just fly it Milo, find out if she is a lady or a witch". Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson ------------------------------ From: MICHAEL WEATHERSBY Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:16:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Saw my first B-2 fly on Sat.! -Reply On the topic of seeing your first B-2's.... I am lucky enough to live in South Carolina (Columbia to be exact) and one of the first group of B-2's was named for South Carolina and they had a huge ceremony at the Columbia Metropolitan Airport. There was one B-2 on the ground the night before the event (which was AWESOME with the lighting from behind and MP's everywhere, etc.) and the day of the event there was the one on the ground and a flyover of another one. I felt pretty lucky to see two of them together in the same place at the same time without being on an AF base. The flyover was timed to perfection and at just the right angle for some great pictures. With the beast in flight and on a straight and level course it is almost impossible to see from a few miles distance but when it turns it almost looks like a boomerang. Oh well, hopefully they will return again some day.... Better get back to work... Mike Weathersby WEATHER@DHHS.STATE.SC.US ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 11:53:19  Subject: re: MiG Pilot? Chris, AS far as I know, the book is still in print and is orderable from book stores. Art Hanley I'm the only one responsible for the opinions above, not my employer. (I get beat up if I don't say that) ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: It will works? Talking about Stealthness and airshow, I will be in a couple of Airshow in USA this summer and some of them will be showing Stealth aircrafts. Just to play around the Stealthness of the aircraft, does anyone on the list know if it will work if I use a police radar doppler velocimeter or a laser doppler velocimeter (borrow from a friend of mine) during the fly-by of the Stealth aircraft during the airshow??? Thanks in advance. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mail: wsu02@barney.poly.edu "Just fly it Milo, find out if she is a lady or a witch". Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson ------------------------------ From: JOHN SZALAY Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 13:10:36 EDT Subject: Skunk surfing ? Since the list appears to be a little slow right now, it might be a good time to post the results of a little web surfing I've done lately. NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT ........A PERSONAL observation only................. The Lockheed Employees Recreation Club has an Gift shop page on the Skunk-Works WWW homepage. They list many items for sale that are Lockheed & Skunk-works related items, such as models,BOOKS,Mugs,T-shirts,Hats ETC: Take a look and see what is offered. Some of the items, I doubt if you could find anywhere else. http://www.lmsw.external.lmco.com/lmsw/lerc/giftshop.html As I stated, this NOT an advertisement for them, only a personal view... FWIW: (I,ll be ordering for sure:: #1634 (Skunk Works Skunk logo mug) (probably 3 of the mugs, one for me and 2 as gifts) John Szalay jpszalay@tacl.dnet.ge.com ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #678 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". 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