From: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #733 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@mail.orst.edu Precedence: Skunk Works Digest Thursday, 5 December 1996 Volume 05 : Number 733 In this issue: re: Question Re: Possible YF-12 launching missile- URL for pics, video Re: British Stealth - a report. Re: F-117 Re: F-117 Scale models Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #732 Re: F-117 Scale models Re: British Stealth - a report. Re: Possible YF-12 launching missile- URL for pics, video (New) Skunk Works projects, from Ontario facility F-117 models Hey hypersonics NUTS! Listen UP! Re: F-117 Scale models See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart McDermid Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 08:41:35 +0000 Subject: re: Question Ah the mists of time clear from my old and confused head. Yes it was called the Mig-37. I stand corrected. Stuart At 09:16 03/12/96 -0500, Jeff H Clark wrote: >The model you refer to was called the 'MiG-37' and was available from >Testors and Italeri in 1/72 and 1/48 scales. I have it, and I always >thought it looked a lot more like a stealth plane than the 'F-19' ever >did. What I always wanted to know was whether the design was something a >guy at Testors or Italeri dreamed up, or something conceptual from an >actual US or Russian aerospace company. > >Jeff Clark > >On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Stuart McDermid wrote: > >> What was really quite freaky was that about the same time there was also >> another model kit (forget the actual manufacturer). This kit was apparently >> a "Mig-117" and looked extrodinarily like the F117. >> >> I actually bought the kit but have since lost it. (Sigh) >> >> Stuart >> >> At 14:00 02/12/96, ahanley@usace.mil wrote: >> >Testor had a mythical model kit called the "F-19" and an electronics >> company (I >> >think Loral or Sanders but I'm not sure) used the same design in their >> >advertising. It was a made up aircraft. I suspect Microprose is doing >> teh sme >> >thing. >> > >> > Art Hanley > > ************************************************************** * Stuart McDermid, Infrastructure Section, Operations Group, * * Network Services, UKERNA, Atlas Centre, Chilton, Didcot, * * OXON, OX11 0QS. E-Mail: S.McDermid@ukerna.ac.uk * * Phone: +44 1235 822 231 Fax: +44 1235 822 399 * ************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: dadams@netcom.com (Dean Adams) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 01:23:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Possible YF-12 launching missile- URL for pics, video > > I believe Andreas stand correct, if you look at the pic: > > http://www.mrdata.com/~blakef/mystery-3.jpg > > You can see that it looks like YF-12. > I agree this footage appears to be from a YF-12, but all I see in that pic is the tail end of the AIM-47 just before the rocket motor ignites... ------------------------------ From: "J. Pharabod" Date: Wed, 04 Dec 96 14:37:21 MET Subject: Re: British Stealth - a report. First I sincerely, deeply and vehemently apologize: what I am forwarding comes from ... alt.alien.research ! But it is so coherently linked to a previous skunk-works thread that I feel compelled to repost it. For example remember: >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:53:24 -0500 >To: skunk-works-digest@mail.orst.edu >From: quellish@shore.intercom.net (Dan Zinngrabe) >Subject: "Brilliant Buzzard" XB-70, from Journal of Electronic Defense > [snip] >Recent media reports of sightings of a mysterious aircraft overseas, as >well as in the US, have attracted the attention of Pentagon watchers. > [note *overseas*] > [snip] and: >>Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:46:30 -0100 >>To: skunk-works@gaia.ucs.orst.edu >>From: John Burtenshaw >>Subject: British Stealth - a report. >> >> [snip] >> >>There appears to be something strange flying around North West England.. >>so strange that the folks who live on the Lancashire coast are winding >>themselves into a frenzy over sightings..."UFO" sightings. >> >>Now we all know this can't be,but...there is substance in the various >>reports,and they all seem to indicate a dark triangular shape,with the >>ability to hover,and climb away at high speed. >> >> [snip] Now here is what I found on dejanews: [begins] Subject: Black Triangle Conspiracy From: Timothy Waters Date: 1996/11/30 Message-Id: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: frwaters.demon.co.uk Organization: Holy Trinity Newsgroups: alt.alien.research I have just finished reading a british UFO magazine Called UFO Reality and would like to bring a small article to your attention concerning The Black Triangle UFO's the article is as follows A top BBC executive let slip recently that there is a D-Notice on media reporting of the so called 'Black Triangle'. The executive- who cannot be named is the former producer of a very popular BBC science program. He told one of our team that the black triangular 'craft' first witnessed by hundreds in the Hudson Valley region of the United States(1988/1989) then by thousands in belgium (1989/90) and more recently by thousands more in britain, has been "heavely D-Noticed" by the government. For this reason the BBC will not be reporting on the enigmatic craft, no matter how many reports they recieve. According to the former 'science program' producer the reason the government has seen fit to slap a restrictive notice on reporting of the triangle is because so far as the goverment has secretly informed the BBC the craft is part of a new secret military project, and as such must be protected under the secrecy laws. If this is the case, however, it surely begs the question: If the so called Black Triangle is a secret military aircraft, then what is it doing hovering over residential areas and frightening people half to death. Like the BBC licensing agenda something somewhere simply does not add up... - -- Tim Waters [ends] Am I the only one who finds all that difficult to understand ? J. Pharabod ------------------------------ From: gregd@cambertx.com (Greg Fieser) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 96 09:09:34 PST Subject: Re: F-117 David Lednicer wrote: > ...... I went and digitized the 3-vue from Jay Miller's book > and quickly discovered that by putting the points together, I didn't > get planar surfaces - his drawings were very wrong. I later tried > this with several other "accurate" 3-vues and got similar results. The drawings in Jay Miller's book were done by Charles Fleming and were based on photo interpretations, which is all that was available at the time. This probably explains the non-planar problems you encountered. Charles is a degreed architect and now builds display models for a living (quite nice ones too, I might add). After the book was published (and more information was available), Charles updated the drawings and built several models of the F-117 that 'looked' very accurate to me. I can put you in touch with him if you like. In 1989 I worked for a company called Rediffusion Simulation, building 3-D polygonal models for flight simulator visual systems. We had access to the photos in Jay's book prior to publication, and built our own 'virtual' model of the F-117 from photo interpretations. We also found we had to move several vertices around to maintain planarity in most of the surfaces... > ...... does anyone know if there is a truely accurate > 3-vue or 3D model of the F-117 available? Here's a quick (but probably not complete) kit list: Testors 1/32 (#???) - one of the first kits out - not very accurate. I'm not sure why, but it just 'looks' wrong... Testors 1/48 (#???) - same as above - neither are recommended. Monogram 1/48 (#5834) - appears to be a reasonably accurate kit, but no weapon bay... Recommended, but see below. Monogram 1/48 (#5922) - an update to the above kit, with weapon bay, trapeze launchers, etc. added. Recommended. Hobbycraft 1/48 (#1631) - not as accurate as the Monogram kit, but *much* better than the Testor kit, includes weapon bay, etc. but may be hard to find now... Testors 1/72 (#???) - I haven't seen this one, but I can guess... :) Revell 1/72 (#???) - very early rendition, totally inaccurate. Looks like all those squatty bug-like drawings we saw in 1988... skip this one. Monogram 1/72 (#1148) - again, a reasonably accurate kit from Monogram. It's a snap-together kit, with no gear, bay, cockpit, etc., but is still very accurate. Recommended. Revell 1/72 (#4460) - do not confuse this kit with the other Revell release. Revell and Monogram merged after the forst kit was released, and this new kit is a rework of the above Monogram kit with gear, bay and cockpit details added. Recommended. Airfix 1/72 (#5026) - similar to Revell #4460, but not as accurate. Academy 1/72 (#2107) - similar to Airfix #5026, but not as accurate. Heller 1/72 (#???) - haven't seen this one, so I can't say... DML 1/144 (#s 4521, 4550, 9904, others?) - fairly accurate in outline, but too flat on the bottom. One of the kits (9904?) depicts the big US Flag on the bottom of the plane. I have built several of these little kits (about 5" long) and use them for Christmas tree ornaments!!! 'Tis the season... :) DML 1/200 (#2007) - included with their model of a B-2. Looks like a squatty bug again... this kit was supposedly updated to include a more 'accurate' F-117, but the B-2 itself was so bad... Most of these kits include top, bottom and side view drawings to show decal placement, but that doesn't necessarily mean the drawings themselves are accurate. - ------------------------------------- Greg Fieser 12/4/96 gregd@cambertx.com 9:09:34 AM (aka habu@why.net) - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: patrick Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 10:43:06 +0000 Subject: Re: F-117 Scale models Greg Fieser wrote:> > Here's a quick (but probably not complete) kit list: > > Testors 1/32 (#???) - one of the first kits out - not very accurate. > I'm not sure why, but it just 'looks' wrong... > > Testors 1/48 (#???) - same as above - neither are recommended. > > Monogram 1/48 (#5834) - appears to be a reasonably accurate kit, but > no weapon bay... Recommended, but see below. > > Monogram 1/48 (#5922) - an update to the above kit, with weapon bay, > trapeze launchers, etc. added. Recommended. > > Hobbycraft 1/48 (#1631) - not as accurate as the Monogram kit, but > *much* better than the Testor kit, includes weapon bay, etc. but may > be hard to find now... > > Testors 1/72 (#???) - I haven't seen this one, but I can guess... :) > > Revell 1/72 (#???) - very early rendition, totally inaccurate. Looks > like all those squatty bug-like drawings we saw in 1988... skip this > one. > > Monogram 1/72 (#1148) - again, a reasonably accurate kit from > Monogram. It's a snap-together kit, with no gear, bay, cockpit, etc., > but is still very accurate. Recommended. > > Revell 1/72 (#4460) - do not confuse this kit with the other Revell > release. Revell and Monogram merged after the forst kit was released, > and this new kit is a rework of the above Monogram kit with gear, bay > and cockpit details added. Recommended. > > Airfix 1/72 (#5026) - similar to Revell #4460, but not as accurate. > > Academy 1/72 (#2107) - similar to Airfix #5026, but not as accurate. > > Heller 1/72 (#???) - haven't seen this one, so I can't say... > > DML 1/144 (#s 4521, 4550, 9904, others?) - fairly accurate in outline, > but too flat on the bottom. One of the kits (9904?) depicts the big > US Flag on the bottom of the plane. I have built several of these > little kits (about 5" long) and use them for Christmas tree > ornaments!!! 'Tis the season... :) > > DML 1/200 (#2007) - included with their model of a B-2. Looks like a > squatty bug again... this kit was supposedly updated to include a more > 'accurate' F-117, but the B-2 itself was so bad... > > Most of these kits include top, bottom and side view drawings to show > decal placement, but that doesn't necessarily mean the drawings > themselves are accurate. > > I will add my comments to this excellent list...... The Heller 1/72 kit is number 80347. A good kit with good decals for Tonopah. Revell-Monogram 1/350(?) (4633) 2" long, 7 parts....with US flag on bottomside! My favorite: Pegasus 1/72 (1021) XST Have Blue Early version had bad sink on underside. Pegasus reworked the mold and sent out a recall part to early customers. Probe and nose gear are made of white metal. Includes the smallest decal sheet in the world- 2 red triangle "Cut Here" logos for the sides of the cockpit! (Groom Lake Special!) ------------------------------ From: Don Portch Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:43:09 PST Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #732 Andreas commented: > The Douglas F6D-1 Missileer (developed from one of my favorite 'obscure' > fighters, the F3D/F-10 Skyknight -- how many other fighters do you know of, > that have such important equipment like a cigarette lighter and ash trays > for pilot and radar operator included in the cockpit?) Early model AD's (A1's to you young'uns) had lighters and ashtrays. To the best of my memory later models didn't have the lighter, only the ashtray. (Inever saw one of the lighters, only the sockets; the lighters didn't last more than a few flights before they became "Personal Equipment") Not a fighter? A marine named Cleary got a MIG in Korea while flying an AD - the only one I know of for sure but there could have been others. Don Keep the Blue Side Up! dportch@utdallas.edu ------------------------------ From: gregd@cambertx.com (Greg Fieser) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 96 14:49:19 PST Subject: Re: F-117 Scale models Continuing the thread, here are some more skunky kits. Again, the list is not complete, and I'll try to limit my descriptions to a simple thumbs up or thumbs down. Maybe patrick or others can expand on this list too. Some of these have probably been re-released under different box #s or even by different manufacturers at some point in time... aircraft designations are as the appear on the box (i.e. TR-this, YF-that, etc.) OK, here goes: U-2C by Testor 1/48 (#209) - thumbs down - reissue of the *old* Hawk molds, but the only U-2C in this scale... U-2C by Academy 1/72 (#1653) - thumbs UP! nice little kit... TR-1A / ER-2 by Testor 1/48 (#580) - thumbs up, definitely not from the old Hawk molds... include parts for a TR-1B two-seater, superpods, etc., NASA markings for ER-2 version YF-12A by Testor 1/72 (#697) - thumbs up, modified from Testor's #674 kit (see below), includes correct radome, IR chines, etc. May include weapon bays (ala mystery video) but can't remember... SR-71A/B by Testor 1/48 (#584) - thumbs up, large, impressive kit, includes parts for two-seater SR-71A by Hasegawa 1/72 (#1187) - thumbs UP! - best 1/72 kit available SR-71A by Hasegawa 1/72 (#K16X) - thumbs up, same as above, but now includes a "GT-21B" SR-71A by Academy 1/72 (#1642) - thumbs up, a ripoff of the excellent Hasegawa molds - even includes the same "GT-21B" SR-71A by Testor 1/72 (#674) - thumbs up, but not as nice as the Hasegawa kit, this one includes a "D-21"... SR-71A by Revell 1/72 (#4414) - definitely thumbs DOWN!, nolo accurate SR-71A by Monogram 1/110 (#1109) - oddball scale, snap-together kit, gear up on a little stand, makes a nice desktop model... SR-71A by LS 1/144 (#1065) - thumbs up, but very hard to find SR-71A by AMT/ERTL 1/144 (#8813) - thumbs up, reboxed LS molds (?) SR-71A by Hobbycraft 1/288 (#1014) - too small for any detail, might look nice as a Christmas ornament... :) YF-22 by Testor 1/32 (#569) - HUGE kit, you'd think that something this size would have *tons* of detail, but... caveat emptor YF-22 by DML 1/72 (#2508) - thumbs up, nice kit also see their YF-23 (#2507) YF-22 by Monogram 1/72 (#1154) - snap-together kit, gear up on a little stand, makes a nice desktop model... YF-22 by Revell 1/72 (#4461) - rework of Monogram snap kit, now with gear, weapon bays, etc. YF-22 by Revell (Germany) 1/72 (#4314) - thumbs up, comp. to DML kit also see their YF-23 (#4326) YF-22 by Heller 1/72 (#???) - haven't seen this one... YF-22 by Testor 1/72 (#???) - haven't seen this one either... also: (not exactly skunky, but recently discussed...) XB-70A-1 by AMT/ERTL 1/72 (#8907) - thumbs up, much improved over the now-extinct Aurora kit, *huge* kit, optional positions for windscreen, wing tips (no shaker vanes, Andreas!) There is also a flying model rocket (Estes?) version of the SR-71, and there are some guys here locally (DFW) that have developed a large rocket-boosted R/C glider kit of an SR-71. Others? There are also *numerous* kits available for the F-104... don't get me started. :) - ------------------------------------- Greg Fieser 12/4/96 gregd@cambertx.com 2:49:19 PM - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Brett Davidson Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:47:35 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Re: British Stealth - a report. I have it... top secret, BBC won't report on it, seen over populated areas... It's obviously the new BBC VTOL stealth TV detector van! Pay your TV license fee now, or else! - --Brett On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, J. Pharabod wrote: > A top BBC executive let slip recently that there is a D-Notice > on media reporting of the so called 'Black Triangle'.... .... > If the so called Black Triangle is a secret military aircraft, then what > is it doing hovering over residential areas and frightening people half > to death. Like the BBC licensing agenda something somewhere simply does > not add up... > -- > Tim Waters > [ends] > > Am I the only one who finds all that difficult to understand ? > > J. Pharabod ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:50:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Possible YF-12 launching missile- URL for pics, video I didn't get this sent out yesterday, but I guess it's still interesting. The AIM-47A/YF-12A pictures are a little bit out of order, and I could not display the .mov file (apparently in Apple format, and my QTW player rejects it). The correct order of the pictures is, including timing data min.sec.dec, and description: mystery-7.jpg (11.45.15, missile starting to drop from left weapons bay) mystery-8.jpg (11.45.08, same missile barely cleared weapons bay) mystery-6.jpg (11.46.06, same missile cleared weapons by doors) mystery-1.jpg (11.48.04, same missile has dropped about 3 feet) mystery-2.jpg (11.48.20, same missile has dropped 4 feet, doors still open) mystery-3.jpg (12.06.19, a (different) missile seen from behind, dropping) mystery-5.jpg (12.13.03, another missile fires, launched from right bay) mystery-4.jpg (12.17.17, another missile flies away, launched from left bay) In the video "Kelly's Way", the ejection sequence (pictures 7, 8, 6, 1, 2) is actually missing, but an in-flight side view of the partially painted YF-12A (from a chase plane) with weapons bay opening is followed by the dropping of an AIM-47A (with the markings "X50-G15") seen from above -- as mentioned in the text on the web page -- and two different ignition and fly away sequences (pictures 3, 5, and 4). No doubt about it. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:53:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: (New) Skunk Works projects, from Ontario facility The Lockheed Skunk Works STAR, from November 22, 1996, (Vol. 6, No. 11), lists the different programs of the Ontario, CA, facility, and the time when they are supposed to be moved to Palmdale. I am familiar with most of those programs, but a couple of them are new to me. I copied the list, and added a small description (in my own words), and maybe someone can add to those descriptions: January 1997 Quiet Knight (no idea, but probably C-130 related) Sofia (no idea, but probably C-130 related) April 1997 IRAD Programs (InfraRed Acquisition and Detection (?) for the F-117A maybe ???) June 1997 Core Engineering (-) Engineering Support (-) July 1997 Rivet Rider (EC-130E(RR) PsyOps/ELINT aircraft with tv & radio studio & transmitters) Apollo (ECM systems like chaff and flares for C-130s flown by NATO and other contries) Trainer/Recorder (?) Support (-) August 1997 Senior Scout (specially modified C-130H for ???) Pacer Coin (3 C-130E equipped with photo, EO, IR and RF surveillance/reconnaissance systems) Gunship (AC-130U (probably also AC-130H) gunships) ESU (?) December 1997 Compass Call (EC-130H for communications jamming) Combat Talon (MC-130H for Special Operations Forces) January 1998 A-4 (modification of 18 A-4D Skyhawk as A-4AR and OA-4AR 'Fightinghawk' for Argentina) - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com (Tom Robison) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:34:35 +0000 Subject: F-117 models For what it's worth, I built Testors 1/72 scale F-117, and it appears to be quite accurate. Tom Robison tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com Hughes Defense Communications, Fort Wayne, IN Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of Hughes Defense Communications, Hughes Aircraft Corp, Hughes Electronics Corp, General Motors Corp, God, or my wife. ------------------------------ From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:51:45 -0800 Subject: Hey hypersonics NUTS! Listen UP! Hello, I don't have time right now to review this, nor do I know when I will have time, but I have just got to give you all a 'heads up' on this book because it's really cool! So if you're a hypersonics or a high speed flight enthusiast, listen up! I just got a copy of "Developments in High-Speed-Vehicle Propulsion Systems" edited by S.N.B. Murthy and E.T Curran of Wright Labs. WOW!! This book is published by the AIAA, ISBN 1-56347-176-0, AIAA members: $64.95, Non AIAA Members: $79.95. This book is the sequel to "High Speed Flight Propulsion Systems" published by the AIAA back in 1991 and also edited by Curran and Murthy (ISBN 1-56347-011-X). You can access the AIAA's ordering catalog on the WWW at: http://www.aiaa.org/publications/catalog.html. This book is really a textbook for engineers designing high speed propulsion systems and some of the papers are very technical, but as the great physicist Roger Penrose says (and he's no slouch when it comes to advanced mathematics), on a first reading he skims/skips the equations while attempting to find english descriptions or conclusions. Therefore one can possibly see some of the essence quickly, of even the most obscure technical paper. But the book has some articles that are mostly historical, and there are some excellent bibliography's. The papers should be of interest to both airbreathing and non-airbreathing enthusiasts. In terms of the historical articles, there is an excellent piece on air liquifaction system development here in the United States. Much of the actual hardware that has been built has been classified until just recently. In this book there are actual photographs of some air liquifaction and seperation systems built during the frist Aerospaceplane Program back in the early 60's. There is also a drawing of the final Convair/GD TSTO Aerospaceplane proposal from the first Aerospaceplane Program, which is pretty neat (I love these old concepts)! There are also drawings of current system concepts (love these too of course!). There are also several papers on Russian high speed efforts. There are several excellent papers on PDE's including a nice bibliography. I wish I had these papers handy when I was talking to Max Hunter years ago about PDEs for SSX! WOW, PDE's might be better at rocket mode than I thought! If this is true, a PDE may represent a single cycle engine that could go from rest to orbital velocity! Of course a real test is required of these ideas, but it's highly interesting! There's a nice low speed performance of a rocket-ramjet-scramjet vehicle paper by Fred Billig. Interesting paper on hot structures and hypersonic vehicle synthesis. All in all, if you're a high speed NUT like me, you'll want to check out this book. Since the price is rather steep, I'd have my community library check out getting it from a university library perhaps via inter-library loan. Perhaps they might even buy a copy. Larry ------------------------------ From: Mary Shafer Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:33:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: F-117 Scale models You can also try the Dryden Gift Shop for resin desk models of the SR-71 and F-117. I have a YF-12A, an SR-71A in USAF livery, and the SR-71A in NASA livery. They also have a single-seat F-104 in NASA livery, speaking of planes from the Skunk Works. The Blackbirds are about 16 in. long, incidentally. I'm thinking of getting rid of my USAF SR, since I only bought it because a NASA SR wasn't available. The Gift Shop also has a lot of SR, B-2, and F-117 stuff, including tee shirts, pins, key rings, patches, pictures, posters, mugs, night shirts, and so on. Call 805 258-3954 for a catalog; they do mail order and take credit cards. There's also a very nice gift shop down in Palmdale at the Skunk Works, but I don't know their number. I buy tee shirts and badge holders there, not to mention the camouflage telescoping pointer. No one has mentioned the blow-up SR-71! Not very accurate but very quickly assembled. Regards, Mary Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com URL http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end.... On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Greg Fieser wrote: > Continuing the thread, here are some more skunky kits. Again, the > list is not complete, and I'll try to limit my descriptions to a > simple thumbs up or thumbs down. Maybe patrick or > others can expand on this list too. Some of these have probably been > re-released under different box #s or even by different manufacturers > at some point in time... aircraft designations are as the appear on > the box (i.e. TR-this, YF-that, etc.) OK, here goes: > > > U-2C by Testor 1/48 (#209) - thumbs down - reissue of the *old* Hawk > molds, but the only U-2C in this scale... > > U-2C by Academy 1/72 (#1653) - thumbs UP! nice little kit... > > TR-1A / ER-2 by Testor 1/48 (#580) - thumbs up, definitely not from > the old Hawk molds.... include parts for a TR-1B two-seater, > superpods, etc., NASA markings for ER-2 version > > YF-12A by Testor 1/72 (#697) - thumbs up, modified from Testor's #674 > kit (see below), includes correct radome, IR chines, etc. May > include weapon bays (ala mystery video) but can't remember... > > SR-71A/B by Testor 1/48 (#584) - thumbs up, large, impressive kit, > includes parts for two-seater > > SR-71A by Hasegawa 1/72 (#1187) - thumbs UP! - best 1/72 kit available > > SR-71A by Hasegawa 1/72 (#K16X) - thumbs up, same as above, but > now includes a "GT-21B" > > SR-71A by Academy 1/72 (#1642) - thumbs up, a ripoff of the excellent > Hasegawa molds - even includes the same "GT-21B" > > SR-71A by Testor 1/72 (#674) - thumbs up, but not as nice as the > Hasegawa kit, this one includes a "D-21"... > > SR-71A by Revell 1/72 (#4414) - definitely thumbs DOWN!, nolo accurate > > SR-71A by Monogram 1/110 (#1109) - oddball scale, snap-together kit, > gear up on a little stand, makes a nice desktop model... > > SR-71A by LS 1/144 (#1065) - thumbs up, but very hard to find > > SR-71A by AMT/ERTL 1/144 (#8813) - thumbs up, reboxed LS molds (?) > > SR-71A by Hobbycraft 1/288 (#1014) - too small for any detail, > might look nice as a Christmas ornament... :) > > YF-22 by Testor 1/32 (#569) - HUGE kit, you'd think that something > this size would have *tons* of detail, but... caveat emptor > > YF-22 by DML 1/72 (#2508) - thumbs up, nice kit > also see their YF-23 (#2507) > > YF-22 by Monogram 1/72 (#1154) - snap-together kit, gear up on > a little stand, makes a nice desktop model... > > YF-22 by Revell 1/72 (#4461) - rework of Monogram snap kit, now with > gear, weapon bays, etc. > > YF-22 by Revell (Germany) 1/72 (#4314) - thumbs up, comp. to DML kit > also see their YF-23 (#4326) > > YF-22 by Heller 1/72 (#???) - haven't seen this one... > > YF-22 by Testor 1/72 (#???) - haven't seen this one either... > > also: (not exactly skunky, but recently discussed...) > > XB-70A-1 by AMT/ERTL 1/72 (#8907) - thumbs up, much improved over > the now-extinct Aurora kit, *huge* kit, optional positions > for windscreen, wing tips (no shaker vanes, Andreas!) > > > There is also a flying model rocket (Estes?) version of the SR-71, and > there are some guys here locally (DFW) that have developed a large > rocket-boosted R/C glider kit of an SR-71. Others? > > There are also *numerous* kits available for the F-104... don't get me > started. :) > > > ------------------------------------- > Greg Fieser 12/4/96 > gregd@cambertx.com 2:49:19 PM > ------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #733 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.orst.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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