Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 10 December 1996 Volume 05 : Number 737a In this issue: E-Systems Re: EG&G - who owns it? Re: EG&G - who owns it? Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #736 More models Dilettante! It was Land, not Edgerton See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Jacob Jacobovits Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:01:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: E-Systems E-Systems used to be much skunkier than it is now. I remember reading in a book called "The Puzzle Palace" by James Bamford that it had EXTREMELY close ties to the National Security Agency (NSA), and probably still does today. I believe there was some mention of it actually being a corporate offshoot. If anybody cares about ELINT stuff I could post a short description of their joint projects. I would need to reread that chapter first, and that would have to wait until after finals. I also recall watching an episode of 60 minutes a few years ago that dealt with an E-Systems employee who had some quarrell with the company, or possibly had been killed (I wish I could remember). The whole thing revolved around one of their heavily classified projects. I was dissapointed that 60 minutes didn't mention the NSA even once in their report. Especially because this was before they were acquired by Raytheon. Since then I have not had as much faith in their reporting. Aaron Jacobovits Undergrad Aersopace Engineering, University of Michigan. Washington DC native. ------------------------------ From: Wayne Busse Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:28:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: EG&G - who owns it? >Tony Craddock Wrote: >Would appreciate if someone could enlighten me about EG&G. >Who owns it and brief history? EG&G is a conglomerate, traded on the stock exchange, that can be found working at Kennedy Space center, Holloman AFB, Yuma Proving Ground, Area 51, Kirtland AFB, and just about every skunky location there is. I have created a Profile on EG&G, along with a corporate directory and other related info on one of my web pages at: http://www.sky.net/~wings/groom.htm Wayne Wayne Busse wings@sky.net wbusse@johnco.cc.ks.us http://www.sky.net/~wings ------------------------------ From: Frank Markus Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:09:28 -0500 Subject: Re: EG&G - who owns it? I just tried to find a stock symbol for EG&G using the searcher on the quote.com web page. No joy. Does anyone know what the symbol is and the exchange on which EG&G is listed? Frankly, it sounds like a very interesting company that is doing interesting work in growing areas. ---------- >From: Wayne Busse >>Tony Craddock Wrote: >>Would appreciate if someone could enlighten me about EG&G. >>Who owns it and brief history? >EG&G is a conglomerate, traded on the stock exchange, that can be found >working at Kennedy Space center, Holloman AFB, Yuma Proving Ground, >Area 51, Kirtland AFB, and just about every skunky location there is. >I have created a Profile on EG&G, along with a corporate directory and >other related info on one of my web pages at: >http://www.sky.net/~wings/groom.htm ------------------------------ From: "Ernest B. Blazar" Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:43:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #736 An interest tidbit about EG&G. Apparently, at one time they had the contract to run "Janet Airlines" which services the Ranch. The operate five CT-43 - Air Force transport versions of the 737-200 - from Hill Air Force Base in Utah. Though assigned to Hill, the planes ferry military and industry personnel from an unmarked terminal at McCarran Airport in Las Vegas to Groom Lake about 70 miles north of the city. The CT-43s also fly to Tonopah Test Range near Groom Lake, a once-secret facility that is not so secret anymore. ------------------------------ From: adrian mann Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:28:18 +0000 Subject: More models Further to the models thread... About a year back I was looking for toys for my 5 year old nephews birthday present in Woolworths, and was looking through the "Micro Machines". There was a pack called Stealth Aircraft, which contained a B-2, an SR-71 and a triangular piece of black plastic going by the name of Aurora! Go find this set now! Buy it! I know I did! Sadly, my nephew didn't get the planes and had to make do with Action teen nintendo power mutant destroyers, or something. Any other unlikely sightings of Aurora's out there? Adrian Mann UK http://www.aemann.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:33:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dilettante! George, Besides the point that I believe you are an idiot (and I usually don't use those kinda titles lightly!), I would prefer that you play your dilletante games with a different list or at least use test data (maybe the addresses of a couple of friends), before you go and clog everybody's mailbox. First you create a bouncing ping-pong message with this non-existing subscriber 'wittig', by sending auto-replies out over and over again (and those who answered to that -- of course with re-posting the whole shit too -- didn't help either), and then you don't have the courtesy to at least apologize for your f$$kup. I did not subscribe to your list, and I am not particularly happy about the existence of TWO parallel Skunk Works mailing lists, with TWO different Skunk Works Digests! Besides, your 'substitute' digest does not have a list of subjects in the header, as the original one had, and it also should be reset to Volume 6, No. 1 (because the Volume 5 runs now since February 1994). I urge everyone to not send anything to this fake <...@pmihwy.com> address! If this guy takes over this list, I will unsubscribe! -- Andreas [quite upset!] --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ --- --- ------------------------------ From: patrick Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:55:12 +0000 Subject: It was Land, not Edgerton I posted several days ago that I thought Dr. Edgerton of EG & G was the inventor of the U-2 photo optics system. After that I could hear the guffaws all the way from the Skunkworks. According to William E. Burrows in "Deep Black" the type B camera was built by the Hycon Corp. of Southern California based on a design by Harvard astronomer James G. Baker and Dr. Edwin H. Land of the Polaroid Co. Sorry for the misinformation. For future reference, I know nothing about U-2's and even less about Blackbird's. But I can tell you what color an F-117 is. patrick cullumber patrick@e-z.net "I hate that when that happens" ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V5 #737a **********************************