From: skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com To: skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com Subject: Skunk Works Digest V5 #755 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com Precedence: Skunk Works Digest Monday, 16 December 1996 Volume 05 : Number 755 In this issue: Bill Sweetman unsubscibe skunk-works Last "H" model produced. Shouldn't Lock-Mart consider making airliners now? 32k SimpleText limit F-117 models Re: off-topic question Re: F-117 models Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #754 Re: Nuclear-powered flight experiments Mehr Genoergel... Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #754 Mergers Re: Mehr Genoergel... Re: Nuclear Powered Flights See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Easton <100626.2242@CompuServe.COM> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:30:29 -0500 Subject: Bill Sweetman Regarding... >From: Brett Davidson >Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:46:40 +1300 (NZDT) >Subject: Re: Bill Sweetman >According to a note I scribbled late one evening, Mr Bill can be found at: >72212.3421@compuserve.com >I have absolutely no validation of this, however. Brett, Thank you and thanks again to the subscribers who took the time to assist. That address has been confirmed and I understand Bill also contributes to the CompuServe MILITARY forum. James. Internet; 100626.2242@compuserve.com ------------------------------ From: julius@interlog.com (Julius Oklamcak) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:33:22 GMT Subject: unsubscibe skunk-works unsubscibe skunk-works ------------------------------ From: JOHN SZALAY Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 16:13:21 EST Subject: Last "H" model produced. Since the current topic seems to be the Hercules, Heres a release from the AFNS. ........................................................ 961271. Final C-130H completes production cutline Lockheed Martin Aeronautical Systems recently celebrated a major milestone in the history of the C-130 Hercules. The company completed assembly of the last "H" model, ending a 32-year production run of that series of C-130s. The C-130H was first introduced in 1964 and has been in steady production since. At the time of its introduction, it boasted tremendous performance over its predecessors, the C-130A, C-130B and C-130E. Now the "H" has been replaced by the new C-130J The "J" has a completely new propulsion system, digital avionics and mission computers to operate its complex systems. The "J" also outperforms previous Hercules models in take-off, landing, climb and cruise speed, and will be easier to maintain. (AFNS) ------------------------------ From: FSalles@trip.com.br (Felipe Salles) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 20:51:06 -0700 Subject: Shouldn't Lock-Mart consider making airliners now? I just finished reading this. And it sure answers some recent questions on this list... Now who's to buy Hugues and Taxas Instruments (TI) defense businesses? Is Raytheon buying or to be bought? Now anything is possible! Felipe Salles P.S. Andreas, since you are particularly fond of historical and evolutionary analisys, would you map out the history of american aerospace manufacturers (who bought who and when...). This should be interesting. :) X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X From today's Boeing.com Press Release Page. X-X-X-X-X McDonnell Douglas to Merge with Boeing Combination to be world's largest aerospace company WASHINGTON, D.C., December 15, 1996 - Phil Condit, president and chief executive officer of The Boeing Company (NYSE : BA), and Harry Stonecipher, president and chief executive officer of McDonnell Douglas Corporation (NYSE : MD), jointly announced today that the companies have signed a definitive agreement whereby McDonnell Douglas will merge with Boeing in a stock-for-stock transaction. Under the terms of the transaction, McDonnell Douglas shareholders will receive 0.65 shares of Boeing common stock for each share of McDonnell Douglas common stock. Based on the closing price of Boeing stock (96 3/4) on Dec. 13, 1996, the deal is estimated to be worth approximately $13.3 billion. The transaction is subject to approval by the shareholders of both companies and certain regulatory agencies, and is expected to close as early as mid-1997. The combined company will have about 200,000 employees, which includes the recent merger of Rockwell aerospace and defense units into Boeing North American. It will operate in 27 states with estimated 1997 revenues in excess of $48 billion, making it the largest integrated aerospace company in the world. The company will operate in three major locations: the Puget Sound area of Washington state; St. Louis, Mo.; and Southern California. The Boeing Company headquarters will remain in Seattle. A combined transition team will be formed within the next few days to prepare for the integration of the operations of the two companies after the merger. Condit noted the rich history of both companies and said, "Today's announcement brings together two strong aerospace companies with complementary capabilities. The merger enhances our position as the number one aerospace company in the world and truly among the world's premier industrial firms." Stonecipher said, "This transaction puts together a focused, broad-based aerospace company with extraordinary capabilities in commercial and military aircraft, and defense and space systems. The combined companies will offer an outstanding balance of current production programs and those scheduled for production in the years ahead, in addition to manned space programs and space transportation programs." Following the close of the transaction, Condit will be chairman and chief executive officer and Stonecipher will be president and chief operating officer of the company. Two-thirds of a newly constituted board of directors will be drawn from the current board members of Boeing and one third of the members will be drawn from the current McDonnell Douglas board. While the company expects substantial cost savings, Condit said there are significant growth opportunities in all three business segments as well. He said, "The merger strengthens our competitive position for the Joint Strike fighter, it improves our position in space transportation, and it enhances our ability to provide the best products and services to our airline customers." "This is great news for the airline industry, for our nation's defense programs, and for space programs worldwide. The strength of our people, and that of our infrastructure and financial position, will benefit our customers and shareholders, and position us to meet the global aerospace needs for the 21st century," Condit said. X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X- End Repost X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X- ------------------------------ From: Marius Schamschula Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 09:28:58 -0600 Subject: 32k SimpleText limit Steve, I saw your post on Skunk Works. I had a similar problem using Eudora Lite (1.5.x). A new version of Eudora Lite, 3.0.1, just came out. I haven't yet checked if it can handle long files. I've switched to Claris E-mailer (Version 1.0 is now free). It doesn't break up long files and works directly with your AOL account. To open a .txt file larger than 32k, use BBEdit (A light version 3.5.1 and an OpenDoc version are available from ), or your use favorite word processor (MSWord, WordPerfect, Nisus, etc.). Good Luck Marius ------------------------------ From: patrick Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:01:22 +0000 Subject: F-117 models And finally we have: The dubious looking 2 inch long 1 thick inch model strapped to a rubber watch band. It in fact looks more like the Shuttle painted black. But buy this one!!! The blocky look is required in order to house 2 separate batteries. A hidden button allows the plane to stick out its tongue like a frog to reveal a digital clock. Okay that is kinda silly. But... A second button creates magic. A 10 second sequencer fires that begins a red LED in each forward air intake to begin flashing...and also triggers a very authentic and relatively loud sounding jet engine whine that begins at idle, goes to full military power (where it is held until all instruments stabilize) and then decelerates, to finally cut off. I kept running my engines until the battery died. Not to worry, I changed out the clock battery with the engine battery and the aircraft was back in service in no time. (pun?) Just don't tell the pilot this one has an inoperative clock! patrick cullumber patrick@e-z.net ------------------------------ From: "Terry Colvin" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 14:03:30 GMT Subject: Re: off-topic question ___________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: off-topic question Author: Bill Riddle at FHU2 Date: 12/16/96 9:09 AM Take a look at http://www.thehistorynet.com/ It is general military history ... might fill the bill or have links to a naval history url. Bill ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: off-topic question Author: Terry Colvin at FHU2 Date: 12/13/96 12:11 PM Bill or Ev, any pointers? ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: off-topic question Author: tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com (Tom Robison) at smtp-fhu Date: 12/13/96 8:39 AM A group of on-line friends and I like to talk Naval History. There appears to be no mailing list extant for such discussions. Does anyone here know of such a list? Does anyone here know of anyone who would like to be the owner/operator of such a list? Please reply off-list. Thanks Tom Robison tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com or tcrobi@mindspring.com ------------------------------ From: patrick Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:23:57 +0000 Subject: Re: F-117 models Art Popp wrote: > > > > Patrick, could you post locations and pricing to the Skunk-works, > or at least mail them to me? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good question! (How do I get myself into these things? Another good question) Well, uh....of course. All the usual locations such as aircraft museum gift shops! The little gizmo's are made in China of course! Not to be a name dropper but I bought mine at: WSMR Museum Gift Shop White Sands Main Post White Sands, New Mexico I know they also carry them at: Triangle Trophy 902 N. New York Alamogordo, NM 88310 505/437-2937 The guy that runs Triangle is honest if you care to mail him some money. Approximately 12 bucks, but best to call first. He has other F-117 stuff such as trinkets, photos, etc. His real name is Billy Graham. Has excellent credentials! Good luck..... patrick patrick@e-z.net ------------------------------ From: "Lee Watters" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:20:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #754 Hi all... Does anyone remember any tales about the nuclear-powered flight experiments at the Idaho labs in the late 1950s? I'm especially curious about how they transferred power to the engine(s). Thanks. ------------------------------ From: "Earl Needham, KD5XB, in Clovis, NM" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:14:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Nuclear-powered flight experiments > From: "Lee Watters" , on 12/16/96 2:20 PM: > Hi all... > > Does anyone remember any tales about the nuclear-powered flight experiments > at the Idaho labs in the late 1950s? I'm especially curious about how they > transferred power to the engine(s). Thanks. From everything I've ever read, they didn't. They just flew a working reactor around to test shielding, etc. Earl Needham, KD5XB, in Clovis, NM Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Pi Chi '76 ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:21:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mehr Genoergel... I know that some people on this list don't care and others believe I am picky, but I am still not satisfied with the new setup of the Skunk Works Mailing List and the Skunk Works Digests. If this post offends anyone, I apologize for the inconvenience. Here is a list of my complaints/objections, which George (and Kean ?) couldn't fix yet. Maybe some other readers have Majordomo experience or can otherwise be of some help. * I still receive about 20% of all Skunk Works post as two separate, but otherwise identical emails. Those mails have different sender IDs from eagle.pmihwy.com, and are send out between some seconds to up to an hour apart. Does anyone else receive 'double posts'? I have compared the headers of several normal and double posts, but could not find a common attribute, which would give me a clue to what the reason for their creation is. * The two additional Skunk Works Digests (5-737a and 5-750a), which I sent to George for the archive, should have been sent to the Digest-Subscribers only -- and not to the whole list. I could have sent them to the list myself, but that would have included them into future digests, which I actually wanted to prevent. Also, sending them with a Mac or Windows software, messed up the formatting of many posts -- especially mine. :-O * After Digest 5-751 (which skipped the 25 posts, covered in 5-750a), the following 'hand-send' Digest was numbered 5-750 again (which should have been 5-752), and after that followed Digest 5-752 -- apparently also 'hand-send', for what reason ever -- (which should have been 5-753, and which included a copy of the additional Digest 5-750a). This was followed by a normal Digest with number 5-754 (correct number, skipping 5-753), which included only the previous 'hand-send' Digest 5-752 (and of course 5-750a, again). Please don't send any digests 'by hand' to the list, because they will use already existing numbers, have a 'bad' format with longer lines wrapped and trailing spaces replaced by "=20", and they will be included in the next digest and re-sent. There must be a better way! I have also a request to all subscribers -- please don't add a copy of the post you are responding to at the beginning or end of your letter, especially if you don't reference this quoted text at all in your post. At least, don't quote headers or signatures, especially if they are longer than a couple of lines. A little bit of editing makes a big difference (at least to me). If anybody can make useful suggestions or even knows how to prevent the double posts, please contact George. Thanks again, to George, for all his efforts and for fixing all the other problems. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: Daniel Adam Singer Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:25:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Skunk Works Digest V5 #754 I am not sure if it is the same project, but my Thermodynamics Prof. said that he helped on a nuclear powered airplane program. He mentioned that liquid metals (like Mercury) were used to transfer heat to the engines. Dan Singer On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Lee Watters wrote: > Hi all... > > Does anyone remember any tales about the nuclear-powered flight experiments > at the Idaho labs in the late 1950s? I'm especially curious about how they > transferred power to the engine(s). Thanks. > > ------------------------------ From: jblue@gate.net (Jeff Blue) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:05:23 -0500 Subject: Mergers In light of the Boeing-MD deal, does anyone have a historical list of US military aircraft manufacturers and where they are now? Who was bought/merged by/with whom, who closed shop and disappeared, and who is still in business. Jeff Blue / jblue@gate.net ------------------------------ From: habu@why.net (habu) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:59:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Mehr Genoergel... Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl wrote: > > * I still receive about 20% of all Skunk Works post as two separate, but > otherwise identical emails. Those mails have different sender IDs from > eagle.pmihwy.com, and are send out between some seconds to up to an hour > apart. Does anyone else receive 'double posts'? I get some that way - I just assumed they were being echoed by the old orst.edu address, ad was hoping this would stop on Dec. 31st. If this is the case, the *subscribers* should check their address books and cease mailing posts to the old address. Is this what is happening? > Thanks again, to George, for all his efforts and for fixing all the other > problems. Seconding the motion... Greg Fieser ------------------------------ From: habu@why.net (habu) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:02:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Nuclear Powered Flights Lee Watters wrote: > > Hi all... > > Does anyone remember any tales about the nuclear-powered flight experiments > at the Idaho labs in the late 1950s? I'm especially curious about how they > transferred power to the engine(s). Thanks. Are these different from the B-36 flights from Carswell in the '50s? I have some info on the B-36 flights, but I'm not familiar with 'Idaho Labs'... 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