From: skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com To: skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com Subject: Skunk Works Digest V6 #34 Reply-To: skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com Errors-To: skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com Precedence: Skunk Works Digest Tuesday, 18 March 1997 Volume 06 : Number 034 In this issue: For Black Triangle/Silent Vulcan fans... No Subject Skunk Works digest Third Forward duplicate Sixth Forward Seventh Forward RESENDS Fifth Forward Re: No Subject Re: Seventh Forward Re: Seventh Forward Re[2]: Seventh Forward Test Results (Thanks) [none] Career oportunity @ Skunk Works See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:59:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: For Black Triangle/Silent Vulcan fans... Here is an interesting piece of info from the DRUDGE REPORT, MARCH 17, 1997: >KSAZ-TV in Phoenix ran a segment during weekend news broadcasts purporting >to show a video of a UFO that hovered over the town of Scottsdale, Arizona >on Friday. The station reported in serious tones that there were more than >200 witnesses to the craft described as being a "very large triangular >formation with three lights that slowly moved over the southern Utah - New >Mexico region during several hours." >Many stations throughout the western United States picked up the KSAZ >report. "It's a really good video," a newsroom staffer of KSTU-TV in Salt >Lake City nervously laughed to the DRUDGE REPORT after a Sunday night >airing... Anybody saw that (live or on tv)? - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: TomHun8054@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:12:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: No Subject Does anyone have info on Air Force One (beyond the Air Force Fact Sheet)? ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 02:31:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Skunk Works digest skunk-works-digest V6#33 two copies. I am missing skunk-works-digest V6#32. Can anyone send it to me please??? thanks in advance. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mails: wsu02@utopia.poly.edu wjs@webspan.net ------------------------------ From: "Tom Burnett" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:10:47 +1000 Subject: Third Forward - ---------- > From: Tom Burnett > To: skunk-works-owner@eagle.pmihwy.com > Subject: > Date: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 18:03 PM > > I apologize in advance to the listees if this gets spooled to the list. It > shouldn't. I'm looking for the duplication problem. There seem to be > several valid addresses in use at the server and two of them are polling > and re-sending mail for skunk-works@pmihwy.com. I immediately suspect the > first two addresses, but we'll see.... > > skunk-works-owner@eagle.pmihwy.com > owner-skunk-works@eagle.pmihwy.com > > owner-majordomo@pmihwy.com > skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com > skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com ------------------------------ From: Kerry Ferrand Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:19:14 +1200 (NZST) Subject: duplicate 2 copies of the v06#33 digest arrived here..looks like the problem remains. K ------------------------------ From: "Tom Burnett" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:09:02 +1000 Subject: Sixth Forward 0)> skunk-works-owner@eagle.pmihwy.com 1> owner-skunk-works@eagle.pmihwy.com 2> owner-majordomo@pmihwy.com 3> skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com 4> skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com 5> skunk-works@pmihwy.com 6 skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com (repeat) Background: I am subscribed to the s-w mailing list, but NOT the digest. I received Art Hanley's 'Global Hawk' messages twice, but I only received one confirmation of my subscription to the mailing list....That can't be right (I thought), so I looked up all of the addresses I could find relating to the list. They are listed above. Investigation: I sent a message to skunk-works-owner@eagle.pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. I forwarded the message to owner-skunk-works@eagle.pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. I forwarded the message to owner-majordomo@pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. I forwarded the message to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com. It was immediately spooled to the skunk-works@pmihwy.com mailing list *ONE TIME*. Observation: Messages directed to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com are spooled to the skunk-works list. They are NOT duplicated. (Again, I am NOT subscribed to the digest, so I should not have got the message back. It came up via the s-w list) Then, I forwarded the message to skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. THEN I forwarded the message to skunk-works@pmihwy.com. Everyone should have gotten it at least ONCE, but after two hours I did not get it back at ALL! (I checked...I am still subscribed.) Now, I am going to RE-send an abbreviated message to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com. Everyone should receive it ONCE. This evolution should be titled "Sixth Forward". Very preliminary hypothesis: The skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com list is crossed to the skunk-works@pmihwy.com list. Possible Solutions? (1) Troubleshoot the program and find out where the cross occurs. I probably can't do it from here. (2) Send all e-mail to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com. It will appear only once to skunk-works list members. (3) Dump the skunk-works-digest mailing list entirely and force the digest to skunk-works listees monthly. IF anyone (Kerry Ferrand, for instance..) got a message from me with "Fifth Forward" as the subject line, please let me know. If no one got the "Fifth Forward" message, but DID get "Third Forward" and "Sixth Forward" messages, the skunk-works@pmihwy.com list is B/O and at least some of the mailings are incorrectly spooling off skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com. Tom Burnett ------------------------------ From: "Tom Burnett" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:25:58 +1000 Subject: Seventh Forward Ok....I sent "Sixth Forward" to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com. I got it back TWICE. I'm not subscribed to the digest, only to skunk-works@pmihwy.com. But when I sent "Fifth Forward" to skunk-works@pmihwy.com, NOTHING came back. Does this narrow it down enough for you George? Tom Burnett (returning to lurk mode) ------------------------------ From: JOHN SZALAY Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 07:06:53 EST Subject: RESENDS This message was sent to the SKUNK-WORKS address not the DIGEST. if it is single message (not copies) Bear with us folks, somehow this will get resolved.... or is this a case of too many cooks ? :) ------------------------------ From: "Tom Burnett" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:13:29 +1000 Subject: Fifth Forward > > I apologize in advance to the listees if this gets spooled to the list. > It > > shouldn't. I'm looking for the duplication problem. There seem to be > > several valid addresses in use at the server and two of them are polling > > and re-sending mail for skunk-works@pmihwy.com. I immediately suspect > the > > first two addresses, but we'll see.... > > > > skunk-works-owner@eagle.pmihwy.com > > owner-skunk-works@eagle.pmihwy.com > > > > owner-majordomo@pmihwy.com > > skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com > > skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com Background: I am subscribed to the s-w mailing list, but NOT the digest. I received Art Hanley's 'Global Hawk' messages twice, but I only received one confirmation of my subscription to the mailing list....That can't be right (I thought), so I looked up all of the addresses I could find relating to the list. They are listed above. Investigation: I sent a message to skunk-works-owner@eagle.pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. I forwarded the message to owner-skunk-works@eagle.pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. I forwarded the message to owner-majordomo@pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. I forwarded the message to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com. It was immediately spooled to the skunk-works@pmihwy.com mailing list *ONE TIME*. Observation: Messages directed to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com are spooled to the skunk-works list. They are NOT duplicated. (Again, I am NOT subscribed to the digest, so I should not have got the message back. It came up via the s-w list) Then, I forwarded the message to skunk-works-digest-owner@pmihwy.com. Nothing happened. Very preliminary hypothesis: The skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com list is crossed to the skunk-works@pmihwy.com list. Possible Solutions: (1) Troubleshoot the program and find out where the cross occurs. I probably can't do it from here. (2) Send all e-mail to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com. It will appear only once to skunk-works list members. (3) Dump the skunk-works-digest mailing list entirely and force the digest to skunk-works listees monthly. Now I am forwarding the message to skunk-works@pmihwy.com. How many times did YOU get it? Would a couple of people please let me know? Sorry to bother all of you with this. There's not much else to do here. Tom Burnett ------------------------------ From: Tom Robison Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:19:20 +0000 Subject: Re: No Subject >Does anyone have info on Air Force One (beyond the Air Force Fact Sheet)? It's big, it's blue and white. amd I'll bet it has a permanently disabled center fuel tank. Tom Robison tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com Hughes Defense Communications, Fort Wayne, IN ------------------------------ From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:13:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Seventh Forward I resubscribed a little late, yesterday, and probably missed some of the Skunk Works list mail. The last digest I received was 6-031, and the last mail I received before re-subscribing was from Jim Blue, regarding "Global Hawk". Since then I got the following Skunk Works mails: Subject Author ========================================================== For Black Triangle/Silent Vulcan Fans (myself) For Black Triangle/Silent Vulcan Fans (myself) No Subject TomHun8054@aol.com Skunk Works digest Wei-Jen Su Skunk Works digest Wei-Jen Su Third Forward Tom Burnett duplicate Kerry Ferrand Sixth Forward Tom Burnett Sixth Forward Tom Burnett RESENDS JOHN SZALAY Seventh Forward Tom Burnett Fifth Forward Tom Burnett Re: No Subject Tom Robison Re: No Subject Tom Robison I also sent an article with the subject: "Eagle Claw aircraft" to the list, but before re-subscribing myself, so I don't know if it was ever received anywhere. If not, I can resend it. Can anyone send me the 6-033 digest? If the digest 6-032 was "lost", I can make another replacement digest. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ From: ahanley@usace.mil Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 8:57:55 nA Subject: Re: Seventh Forward And just to make things really interesting, when I subscribed yesterday, I never received an acknowldegement, it just "took". I did get an acknowlegement on the resubscribe at home. To further add to the confusion, I've gotten two copies of all of Andreas' posts, Except the one on Eagle Claw aircraft. That one only appeared once. You know, the double posting doesn't really bother me that much, considering the value of what's on this list. I can always hit the delete key. Art Hanley Batman: "Do you think this represents the views of his employer"? Robin: "Holy Disclaimer! Of course it doesn't"! ------------------------------ From: gregweigold@pmsc.com (GREG WEIGOLD) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:49:04 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: Seventh Forward I don't really mind the double posts except when I have to use my mail program through my modem instead of from the LAN. My downloads at 14.4 can be horrendously slow, if there's doubles. No biggie really, but it would be nice to get it cleared up. ...just my 2 cents worth. Greg Weigold gregweigold@pmsc.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Seventh Forward Author: ahanley@usace.mil at Internet Date: 3/18/97 8:57 AM And just to make things really interesting, when I subscribed yesterday, I never received an acknowldegement, it just "took". I did get an acknowlegement on the resubscribe at home. To further add to the confusion, I've gotten two copies of all of Andreas' posts, Except the one on Eagle Claw aircraft. That one only appeared once. You know, the double posting doesn't really bother me that much, considering the value of what's on this list. I can always hit the delete key. Art Hanley Batman: "Do you think this represents the views of his employer"? Robin: "Holy Disclaimer! Of course it doesn't"! ------------------------------ From: "Tom Burnett" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:27:12 +1000 Subject: Test Results (Thanks) I thank everyone for their assistance. One more apology for posting non-skunky trivia. The results are as follows, reported by Dan Singer, Eric Hoel, Frank Henderson, John Szalay, Joseph F. Donoghue, Steven Barber, Terry Colvin and Tom Robinson: The messages were delivered in the order shown (3-6-7-5), but were sent in ascending order (3-4-5-6-7). One Copy of Third Forward (addressed to skunk-works-DIGEST@pmihwy.com) was delivered within 30 seconds. Two Copies of Sixth Forward (addressed to skunk-works-DIGEST@pmihwy.com) was delivered to the above respondents immediately, but I only got it back ONCE. One Copy of Seventh Forward (addressed to skunk-works-DIGEST@pmihwy.com) was delivered. One Copy of Fifth Forward (addressed to SKUNK-WORKS@pmihwy.com) was delivered more than 5 hours after it was posted. (John Szalay never reported receiving it). George and Mark are working on the problem and will no doubt solve it with all these clues. They are certainly giving it their best efforts. Thanks again.. Tom Burnett ------------------------------ From: "Tom Burnett" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:25:43 +1000 Subject: [none] I sent this to skunk-works@pmihwy.com about an hour ago, but it is apparently not going to be posted for several hours.....So, in order to get the message out in a timely manner I am sending it to skunk-works-digest@pmihwy.com and it will be posted instantly. I thank everyone for their assistance. One more apology for posting non-skunky trivia. The results are as follows, reported by Dan Singer, Eric Hoel, Frank Henderson, John Szalay, Joseph F. Donoghue, Steven Barber, Terry Colvin and Tom Robinson: The messages were delivered in the order shown (3-6-7-5), but were sent in ascending order (3-4-5-6-7). One Copy of Third Forward (addressed to skunk-works-DIGEST@pmihwy.com) was delivered within 30 seconds. Two Copies of Sixth Forward (addressed to skunk-works-DIGEST@pmihwy.com) was delivered to the above respondents immediately, but I only got it back ONCE. One Copy of Seventh Forward (addressed to skunk-works-DIGEST@pmihwy.com) was delivered. One Copy of Fifth Forward (addressed to SKUNK-WORKS@pmihwy.com) was delivered more than 5 hours after it was posted. (John Szalay never reported receiving it). George and Mark are working on the problem and will no doubt solve it with all these clues. They are certainly giving it their best efforts. Thanks again.. Tom Burnett ------------------------------ From: Wei-Jen Su Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:24:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Career oportunity @ Skunk Works If you are looking for a job in Skunk Works, there is a advertisement in Aviation Weeks and Space Technology (March 17, 1997 pag 121). If you don't have the magazine, and are interesting, I can type what it says in the advertisement. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mails: wsu02@utopia.poly.edu wjs@webspan.net ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V6 #34 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@pmihwy.com". 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