From: owner-skunk-works-digest@ (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@eagle.netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V6 #40 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@ Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@ Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Wednesday, March 26 1997 Volume 06 : Number 040 In this issue: glomar explorer... NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) Really skunky questions Re: Arizona "UFO" Re: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) Re: Really skunky questions Re: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) Re: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) RE: Really skunky questions D-21s on Display Re: Really skunky questions Re: Really skunky questions Re: Really skunky questions Re: D-21s on Display See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:43:49 -0600 (CST) From: jaz5@ix.netcom.com Subject: glomar explorer... Patrick said >PS.....If the "Glomar Explorer" is sunk at its moorings by French >special op's frogmen, you won't hear about it from me!!! Ahh, but if it is sunk by a diamond shaped aircraft flying at mach, 10 its a skunk works item. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:30:48 -0500 (EST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) For those folks that does not receive NASA news :) May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mails: wsu02@utopia.poly.edu wjs@webspan.net - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: NASANews@hq.nasa.gov To: undisclosed-recipients:;@spinoza.hq.nasa.gov Subject: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles Don Nolan-Proxmire Headquarters, Washington, DC March 24, 1997 (Phone: 202/358-1983) Keith Henry Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA (Phone: 757/864-6120) Fred Brown Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA (Phone: 805/258-2663) Lowell Keel MicroCraft, Inc. Tullahoma, TN (Phone: 615/455-2617 x235) RELEASE: 97-53 NASA SELECTS MICROCRAFT, INC. TEAM TO FABRICATE HYPERSONIC VEHICLES NASA has selected a team led by MicroCraft, Inc., Tullahoma, TN, to fabricate a series of small, unpiloted experimental vehicles that will fly up to ten times the speed of sound. The five-year project, known as Hyper-X, will demonstrate hypersonic propulsion technologies. When the Hyper-X flies, it will be the first time a non- rocket engine has powered a vehicle in flight at hypersonic speeds - -- speeds above Mach 5, equivalent to about one mile per second or approximately 3,600 miles per hour at sea level. A booster rocket will carry each experimental vehicle to its flight-test speed and altitude, where it will be launched to fly under its own power. The cost-plus-incentive fee contract is worth an estimated $33.4 million over the next 55 months. It specifies that the first of four Hyper-X vehicles is to be delivered in time for the first scheduled flight early in fiscal year 1999. Team members working with MicroCraft will be Boeing North American, Inc., Seal Beach, CA; GASL, Inc., Ronkonkoma, NY; and Accurate Automation Corp., Chattanooga, TN. The Hyper-X project is conducted jointly by the Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA, and the Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA. Langley will manage the overall project while Dryden will conduct the flight tests. "We're embarking on an ambitious series of Hyper-X flights to expand the boundaries of aeronautics and develop new technologies for space access," said Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator. "Most impressively, these flights will begin less than two years from now. Under old ways of doing business it might have taken ten years to reach flight tests." MicroCraft will be responsible for fabrication and flight- test support. This will include not only the four research vehicles but also one research vehicle-to-booster adapter for mating of the research vehicles to the nose of an expendable booster rocket. Each vehicle will be approximately 12 feet long with a wing span of about five feet. "We are ready to prove this technology -- to be the first to fly an air-breathing vehicle at hypersonic speeds," said NASA Langley's Vince Rausch, the Hyper-X project manager. Program managers plan to demonstrate hydrogen-powered, "air- breathing" propulsion systems that could ultimately be applied in vehicle types ranging from hypersonic aircraft to reusable space launchers. A rocket carries its own oxygen for combustion. An air- breathing vehicle, the experimental Hyper-X, will burn oxygen in the air scooped from the atmosphere. Because of this, air- breathing hypersonic vehicles should carry more payload and/or offer longer range than equivalent rocket-powered systems. Four flights are planned -- one each at Mach 5 and 7 and two at Mach 10. The Mach 7 flight comes first. The flight tests will be conducted within the Western Test Range off the coast of southern California. Each Hyper-X vehicle will ride on the first stage of an Orbital Sciences Corp., Dulles, VA, booster rocket, which will be launched by the Dryden B-52. For each flight, the booster will accelerate the Hyper-X research vehicle to the test conditions (Mach 5, 7 or 10) at approximately 100,000 feet. There, it will separate from the booster and fly under its own power and preprogrammed control. Ground tests and analyses of both vehicle and engine will be performed prior to each flight in order to compare flight and ground-test results. In addition, the Hyper-X Mach 7 and 5 vehicles will be tested prior to flight in Langley's 8-Foot High Temperature Wind Tunnel. The vehicles, with a fully operating ramjet/scramjet propulsion system, will be put through tests in the tunnel simulating many, but not all, Mach 7 and 5 flight conditions. A ramjet operates by subsonic combustion of fuel in a stream of air compressed by the forward speed of the vehicle itself. In a conventional jet engine, the compressor section (the fan blades) compresses the air. A scramjet (supersonic-combustion ramjet) is a ramjet engine in which the airflow through the whole engine remains supersonic. Scramjet technology is challenging because only limited testing can be performed in ground facilities. Hyper-X takes the next essential step in developing hypersonic, air-breathing technology. Images of the Hyper-X vehicles and additional information can be obtained at the following URLs: http://lisar.larc.nasa.gov/LISAR/BROWSE/hyperx.html or http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/ NOTE TO EDITORS: Photos to accompany this release are available by calling the Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA, or the Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA, at the numbers listed above. - end - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:45:17 MET From: "J. Pharabod" Subject: Really skunky questions I am writing an article about (mostly US) black aircraft for a French popularization monthly review, and I would like to get a little more info: 1) D-21 1.a) Dates: my archives tell me that beginning was 1964, end was 70's: could anybody confirm 1964, and specify which 70's (if this is not classified) ? 1.b) How did it become public: could anybody confirm the following, which was posted by Duane P Mantick on November 1, 1993: > Nobody would have ever heard of them, except for a tour of people >at Davis-Monthan, where the extant D21's were put out to storage. The >story (I cannot verify the accuracy of this) is that a storm blew the >tarps off one or two D21's, and somebody from a tour group photographed >them. The photographs got around, and the gov't had to say SOMETHING. 2) XB-70 Valkyrie: was flying from September 21, 1964, until February 4, 1969. Was built by North American. 2.a) Was the XB-70 "black" (secret) during some time ? 2.b) Had North American some kind of "skunk-works" ? 3) Northrop & B-2 3.a) What is the name of the Northrop equivalent of skunk-works ? 3.b) Is it true that the B-2 stems more from the Horten IX V3 than from the (more classical ?) flying wings built by Northrop after WWII (XP-79, XB-35, YP-49) ? (the XP-79 did not look classical though...) Thanks in advance, J. Pharabod ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:55:26 -0800 From: Alun Whittaker Subject: Re: Arizona "UFO" Dear Dean Adams: I would be grateful if, in future you choose to comment on my postings, you do not clip and re-post incomplete sentences from my message in order to reinforce your own out-of-context arguments. If you have a point to make, then make it. If you wish to quote from the postings of extraterrestrial UFO theorists then do so - there are plenty (or, as Mary might say, too many) available. Please do not misquote my messages in order to make me represent viewpoints I do not support. It is my opinion that some unexplained sky sighting may involve real aircraft utilizing stealthy or other innovative technologies. Reports and discussion of such evidence of secret, black (or skunky) aircraft projects do belong on this list. Such discussions should cease only when the consensus of the list (and we've just had a convincing demonstration of how effectively that works) decides that the so-called UFO does not represent a skunky project and/or does not merit further discussion (e.g. when we all start to repeat ourselves). This is the last you will hear from me on this subject (unless I once again see myself quoted out of context in support of full publication of the X-files). Thank you Alun Whittaker PS To tell the truth, Dean, it wasn't really your fault. The first couple of times, your message didn't bother me. It was only when it came around for the third time that I popped my cork ;-( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:59:59 -0800 From: larry@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) > NASA has selected a team led by MicroCraft, Inc., Tullahoma, >TN, to fabricate a series of small, unpiloted experimental >vehicles that will fly up to ten times the speed of sound. The >five-year project, known as Hyper-X, will demonstrate hypersonic >[airbreathing] propulsion technologies. This is COOL! I've been waiting for this announcement! OK. Does someone want to guess where the 2-man cockpit was on one of the full scale manned concept studies that led to the subscale HYPER-X program? Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:06:54 -0600 From: Albert H Dobyns Subject: Re: Really skunky questions J. Pharabod wrote: > > I am writing an article about (mostly US) black aircraft for a > French popularization monthly review, and I would like to get a > little more info: > > 1) D-21 > 1.a) Dates: my archives tell me that beginning was 1964, end was > 70's: could anybody confirm 1964, and specify which 70's (if this > is not classified) ?I know there are people here who can confirm the dates for you. All my aviation books, tapes, etc. are packed in boxes because we are moving in 3 days so I can't look up anything. > 1.b) How did it become public: could anybody confirm the following, > which was posted by Duane P Mantick on November 1, 1993: > > Nobody would have ever heard of them, except for a tour of people > >at Davis-Monthan, where the extant D21's were put out to storage. The > >story (I cannot verify the accuracy of this) is that a storm blew the > >tarps off one or two D21's, and somebody from a tour group photographed > >them. The photographs got around, and the gov't had to say SOMETHING. I had not heard about that incident but it wouldn't surprise me if it's true. I do know a guy who said that the tour bus went by them but this may have been before the "bone yard" was told what they were. My friend did take a photo using a very long telephoto lens and was able to get a photo with either 16 or 17 D-21's all parked in a nice neat row! Some books, Jay Miller's and Paul Crickmore's, have some photos of the D-21s and I think one of the photos is another shot of all 17 lined up. Some D-21s have been sent to a few museums for display but I don't know how many or which museums. Again the regulars here can tell you the details I don't have. > > 2) XB-70 Valkyrie: was flying from September 21, 1964, until February 4, > 1969. Was built by North American.I'm probably being nit-picking but I believe the company's name is North American Aviation. I believe it was purchased by some other aviation company but I can't remember the name. > 2.a) Was the XB-70 "black" (secret) during some time ? > 2.b) Had North American some kind of "skunk-works" ? > > 3) Northrop & B-2 > 3.a) What is the name of the Northrop equivalent of skunk-works ? > 3.b) Is it true that the B-2 stems more from the Horten IX V3 > than from the (more classical ?) flying wings built by Northrop after > WWII (XP-79, XB-35, YP-49) ? (the XP-79 did not look classical though...) > > Thanks in advance, > J. Pharabod After you get your article published, can you post some of it here? I think many of us would like to read it. I know I would!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:14:47 -0600 From: Albert H Dobyns Subject: Re: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) larry@ichips.intel.com wrote: > > > NASA has selected a team led by MicroCraft, Inc., Tullahoma, > >TN, to fabricate a series of small, unpiloted experimental > >vehicles that will fly up to ten times the speed of sound. The > >five-year project, known as Hyper-X, will demonstrate hypersonic > >[airbreathing] propulsion technologies. > > This is COOL! I've been waiting for this announcement! > > OK. Does someone want to guess where the 2-man cockpit was on one > of the full scale manned concept studies that led to the subscale > HYPER-X program? Larry, I'll make a wild guess that the cockpit was probably buried somewhere in the fuselage and the crew had to rely on some sort of tv/video system to "see" outside. Or maybe they used some high-res radar system to provide images. I can't imagine what it would take to provide a cockpit with a clear "glass" canopy that is mounted on the outside of the fuselage. What transparent material could work at such high speeds??? Maybe Scotty's 2" transparent aluminum that was part of the 4th Star Trek movie! :) Al (pay no mind to him; he never lets reality get in the way of his imagination) > > Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:43:05 -0800 From: larry@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: NASA Seoects MicroCraft, Inc. Team to Fabricate Hypersonic Vehicles (fwd) >>> NASA has selected a team led by MicroCraft, Inc., ... >>>to ... demonstrate hypersonic [airbreathing] propulsion technologies. >>>... >>> OK. Does someone want to guess where the 2-man cockpit was on one >>>of the full scale manned concept studies that led to the subscale >>>HYPER-X program? Albert H Dobyns responds: >Larry, I'll make a wild guess that the cockpit was >probably buried somewhere in the fuselage Very good Al! Yes. The center of the fuselage, far left side, as you look down from the top of the vehicle. The front of the vehicle is the inlet spike, so to speak, and on the left side, just behind where the frontend of the fuselage moves inward towards the centerline of the vehicle is where the cockpit was. It supported 2 seats. The artwork shows side-by-side seating. Since the left side of the forward fuselage is moving inward towards the centerline at that point, the visibility must have been pretty good. No details as to vision aids were given. A lot of periscope work has been done in the past however. Perhaps the angles are such that a periscope isn't needed. Anyway, I'm not sure if the concept vehicle was carried that far anyway. If the press doesn't print much about these concepts over the next few weeks I'll fill you all in. It's rather interesting and does relate to this mail list, IMHO. Regards, Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:29:09 -0800 From: Erik Hoel Subject: RE: Really skunky questions Albert Dobyns wrote in response to J. Pharabod: J. Pharabod wrote: ... chop ... > 2) XB-70 Valkyrie: was flying from September 21, 1964, until February 4, > 1969. Was built by North American.I'm probably being nit-picking but I believe the company's name is North American Aviation. I believe it was purchased by some other aviation company but I can't remember the name. Rockwell (the company with that nifty orange P-51 =:-O). ... chop ... After you get your article published, can you post some of it here? I think many of us would like to read it. I know I would!! I'll second that. Erik - -- Erik Hoel Environmental Systems Research Institute ehoel@esri.com 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1548) tel Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-793-5953 fax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:03:03 -0500 From: "Philip R. Moyer" Subject: D-21s on Display - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I know of three D-21s on display. I've seen an additional four up close and photographed them (thank you again, Mary). Does anyone know the whereabouts and status of the remaining drones? The three I know for sure are: Seattle Museum of Flight (SMOF), mounted US Air Force Museum, Dayton, OH Dover AFB Museum, Dover, DE If I can figure out a good way of identifying them (Larry?), I'll throw out a list on my web page, much like the SR-71 list. Cheers, Phil - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition iQCVAgUBMzif7A3UvmyVt/dRAQHFngQAu9wHW9rCHnAFiHrPNSWy4XB8u1w4JAMK WTBMOfRly831vI+Znl3VZCwLJd4M3p0gpobGp5Afew8nBbS5BY9vaS0sxV6flDYY 0t5MEgeg6MSqhLK2rt2xl11laL91BfJw3gOqkc3EiH4ObfA9h+KichvEfITbw1gC /fG6OucjEgE= =xAl5 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:18:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Subject: Re: Really skunky questions J. Pharabod asked the following questions: >1) D-21 >1.a) Dates: my archives tell me that beginning was 1964, end was 70's: > could anybody confirm 1964, and specify which 70's (if this is not > classified) ? It is always difficult to say when a program started exactly, but: * 10/10/1962, when the study program for a drone version of the A-12, then called Q-12, was authorized, could be a valid starting date. Other key dates (from Jay Miller's "Skunk Works" book) were: * 12/07/1962, the full-scale mockup of the Q-12 was completed; * 03/20/1963, contract from CIA for navigation systems and engines arrived; * 06/19/1964, fit-check of 1st D-21 ('501') and 1st M-21 ('134'/'60-6940'); * 12/22/1964, first flight of an MD-21 combination; * 03/05/1966, first launch of D-21 ('503') from M-21; The 17 surviving D-21B were originally stored at Norton AFB, CA, from 03/20/1971 (when the SENIOR BOWL program was cancelled) until the summer of 1976, when they were delivered to the MASDC (Military Aircraft Storage and Disposition Center), now AMARC (Aerospace Maintenance And Regeneration Center) at Davis-Monthan AFB, Tucson, AZ. >1.b) How did it become public: could anybody confirm the following, which > was posted by Duane P Mantick on November 1, 1993: > Nobody would have ever heard of them, except for a tour of people > at Davis-Monthan, where the extant D21's were put out to storage. The > story (I cannot verify the accuracy of this) is that a storm blew the > tarps off one or two D21's, and somebody from a tour group photographed > them. The photographs got around, and the gov't had to say SOMETHING. Jay Miller writes, in "Skunk Works", that the 17 stored GTD-21Bs were discovered at MASDC in 1977 by aviation enthusiasts, while James Goodall writes in his "SR-71 Blackbird" book, that they were first seen and photographed there in December of 1976, and later on 12/05/1981, and again in the Summer of 1992. In Paul F. Crickmore's book "Lockheed SR-71 -- The Secret Missions Exposed", you can find a picture of a D-21 at AMARC, which was made in December of 1979. >2) XB-70 Valkyrie: was flying from September 21, 1964, until February 4, > 1969. Was built by North American. As Al Dobyns wrote, the correct name of the company was NAA = North American Aviation, Inc., later part of Rockwell International, until it was sold to: * Boeing Co., Seattle, WA, where it became part of the: * BD&SG = Boeing Defense & Space Group, where it is grouped together with the other former Rockwell International subsidies as: * Boeing North American, Inc., where it is now known as the: * North American Aircraft Division >2.a) Was the XB-70 "black" (secret) during some time ? The B-70 program, also known as Weapons System WS-110, can be traced back to the mid-1950s, when it developed out of the NEPA (Nuclear Energy-Powered Aircraft) family of studies and projects. Phase I development contracts went to Boeing and NAA in 1955, and NAA's design was announced to be the selected one on 12/23/1957. A contract was awarded on 01/02/1958. I would assume that details were secret, but the program itself probably not. The bomber project became a research-only project in 1963, even before the first aircraft was completed. The public roll-out of the first XB-70 (XB-70A-1, '62-0001') was on 05/11/1964 at Air Force Plant 42, Palmdale, CA, from where also the first flight (to Edwards AFB) originated on 09/21/1964. The second XB-70 (XB-70A-2, '62-0207', which was quite a little different) flew for the first time on 07/17/1965, and crashed on her 46th flight, 06/08/1966. The first XB-70A flew later from March 1967 to 02/04/1969 for NASA, and is since that time displayed at the USAF Museum in Dayton, OH. >2.b) Had North American some kind of "skunk-works" ? None that I know of, but it is possible that they did anyway. >3) Northrop & B-2 >3.a) What is the name of the Northrop equivalent of skunk-works ? The only other "Skunk Works"-like name for an Advanced Development division of an aircraft manufacturer, that I am aware of, are the McDonnell Douglas "Phantom Works". Northrop, now Northrop Grumman, as well as many other companies, does have such a division, but I don't remember any official or semi-official nicknames. Northrop Grumman has several divisions, one of which is the: * Military Aircraft Systems Div., El Segundo, CA, which includes the: * Advanced Systems and Technology Div., Pico Rivera, CA, aka: * Advanced Technology and Development Center. Thats the current, official name, but the facility may have had other names before, though. >3.b) Is it true that the B-2 stems more from the Horten IX V3 than from > the (more classical ?) flying wings built by Northrop after WWII > (XP-79, XB-35, YP-49) ? (the XP-79 did not look classical though...) According to Chuck , yes. I personally don't agree, and I doubt that any systems, construction methods, design methods, etc. of the Horten Brothers or Jack Northrop were actually incorporated into the B-2 program. The B-2A design is probably influenced by all, but not developed from or based on any of those earlier designs. Lippisch, the Hortens, Jack Northrop and several others, worked on tail-less designs and flying wing aircraft during that time (1930s to 1940s). Your speculation is probably as valid as mine, I suppose. But what does Jay Miller (as historian and author of a B-2A book, which I don't have) or David Lednicher (as aerodynamicist) think about that? I am curious! - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@raptor.csc.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:45:42 -0800 From: patrick@e-z.net Subject: Re: Really skunky questions J. Pharabod wrote: > > I am writing an article about (mostly US) black aircraft for a > French popularization monthly review, and I would like to get a > little more info: > 3) Northrop & B-2 > 3.b) Is it true that the B-2 stems more from the Horten IX V3 > than from the (more classical ?) flying wings built by Northrop after > WWII (XP-79, XB-35, YP-49) ? (the XP-79 did not look classical though...) No. There is no connection between the B-2 design and any previous "Wing" designs. The Chief Designer gave his team the performance parameters required for the project and they came up with the B-2 design on their own. Anything else is just a coincidence. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:11:04 -0800 From: habu@why.net Subject: Re: Really skunky questions Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl wrote: > The B-2A design is probably influenced by all, but not developed from or > based on any of those earlier designs. Lippisch, the Hortens, Jack Northrop > and several others, worked on tail-less designs and flying wing aircraft > during that time (1930s to 1940s). Your speculation is probably as valid as > mine, I suppose. But what does Jay Miller (as historian and author of a B-2A > book, which I don't have) or David Lednicher (as aerodynamicist) think about > that? I am curious! I don't know that Jay is still on the list after the recent 'adjustments', so I'll take the liberty of quoting from his B-2 book. The first 12 or so pages deal with the concepts and history of stealth technology as we know it today. The remainder of the book is specific to the B-2 program. "Under the Carter administration, work on the ATB had been initiated during the mid-70s...narrowed to two major teams in 1978, these consisting of consortiums led by Lockheed/Rockwell International and Northrop/Boeing/LTV. ...Though thousands of planforms were examined by both teams, Northrop was quick to focus on the tailless or flying wing configuration. And though the company...had long ago acquired a reputation for promoting the attributes of such configurations, this background had little to do with the decision to make the flying wing the basis for it's proposal." As most of you probably know, the B-2 planform underwent a major re-design from a diamond-shaped center section to the now familiar "ww" shape due to a change in mission profile requirements from high altitude target ingress to low altitude TFR ingress. Two other factors to consider that are key to the B-2's design, that were for all intents and purposes non-existent during the days of Horten's and Jack Northrop's early 'wings', are digital computers and composite material technology. These, combined with the tailless planform, make the B-2 what it is - stealthy. Greg Fieser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:18:19 GMT From: blackbird@telis.org (Jon Price (PJ)) Subject: Re: D-21s on Display On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:03:03 -0500, you wrote: There is a D-21 at the Blackbird Airpark, Palmdale, Ca. It is on loan from NASA and was restored for display by Airpark Volunteers. >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>I know of three D-21s on display. I've seen an additional four >>up close and photographed them (thank you again, Mary). Does >>anyone know the whereabouts and status of the remaining drones? >> >>The three I know for sure are: >> Seattle Museum of Flight (SMOF), mounted >> US Air Force Museum, Dayton, OH >> Dover AFB Museum, Dover, DE >> >>If I can figure out a good way of identifying them (Larry?), I'll throw >>out a list on my web page, much like the SR-71 list. >> >>Cheers, >>Phil >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: 4.0 Business Edition >> >>iQCVAgUBMzif7A3UvmyVt/dRAQHFngQAu9wHW9rCHnAFiHrPNSWy4XB8u1w4JAMK >>WTBMOfRly831vI+Znl3VZCwLJd4M3p0gpobGp5Afew8nBbS5BY9vaS0sxV6flDYY >>0t5MEgeg6MSqhLK2rt2xl11laL91BfJw3gOqkc3EiH4ObfA9h+KichvEfITbw1gC >>/fG6OucjEgE=3D >>=3DxAl5 >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> - -- ************************************************** Jon Price If only Naval Aviators flew SR-71's, I'd be happy. Just imagine. "O.K. 3 wire Blackbird"! A PROUD member of the Tailhook Association. 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