From: owner-skunk-works-digest@ (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@eagle.netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V6 #47 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@ Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@ Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Tuesday, April 29 1997 Volume 06 : Number 047 In this issue: c4i-pro A-10 puzzle Helo/Blimp USGS Distributing Previously Classified Satellite Photos A-10 TR-3 and others A-10 Re: A-10 Re: A-10, "A-17" and other stuff. Re: "A-17" and other stuff. Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? Re: Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? What is the U-2R MPG? Sr-71 and underground hangers for TDY Why was UAV cancelled for TR-1? Project Aquatone? Who named it that? Why? X-16 and Bald Eagle Project Info wanted- where at? Boost-glide and the U-2 Adjustable "Iron Ball" paint? Re: Adjustable "Iron Ball" paint? re: Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? Re: Boost-glide and the U-2 Re: Sr-71 and underground hangers for TDY Re: A-10, "A-17" and other stuff. Re: Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? Finally! Black Dawn website X-30 NASP Re: X-30 NASP QDR Dr. Bob's Book See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 15:45:00 GMT From: "Terry Colvin" Subject: c4i-pro A-10 puzzle Mr. Probst on the c4i-pro list says: ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: c4i-pro A-10 puzzle Author: "David K. Probst" at smtp-fhu Date: 4/24/97 1:44 PM "David K. Probst" A-10 puzzle ___________ This is marginally C4I relevant. You might be puzzled how an A-10 can go "AWOL" from a squadron of other A-10s flying the same training mission. The A-10s were scheduled to cross a checkpoint at half-hour intervals. If one jet changes its flight path at precisely that point, considerable time can go by before the alarm is sounded. Federal security was very tight on the anniversary of the Oklahoma-City bombing. The fact that the A-10 had headed in the general direction of Denver---the McVeigh trial---also raised not a few eyebrows. Now, the fatal Saturday has passed, the McVeigh trial has begun, and the A-10---but neither its pilot nor its four bombs---have been found. Obviously, they could be at the bottom of some deep snow-filled crevice. But logically, they _could_ all have left the plane before it crashed. Militia groups are still active, as we hear from the Fibbies. Two comments: (i) It is probably not a good idea to plan missions where an armed plane has such a large time window to go for a stroll, and (ii) until the pilot and bombs are found, maybe we should keep one eye open, just in case. David K. Probst ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lednicer Subject: Helo/Blimp I'm not Andreas either, but here is the scoop. The vehicle was the Piasecki Heli-Stat. Frank Piasecki was the founder (1944) of what became Boeing Helicopters. He got kicked out of the company by the Rockefellers (c.1958), who renamed it Vertol and sold it to Boeing several years later. Frank went out and formed a new company which is the present day Piasecki Aircraft. How do I know all this? I first met one of his daughters back in c.1984 (at Sikorsky!) and now know many members of the family. Frank got money from the US Forestry Dept. to build the Heli-Stat. Interestingly, his wife is a Weyerhauser (George's sister), as in the big forestry company. Hmmm.... Anyways, the USN gave Frank the skin of the last Navy airship, which he used as his gas bag. It proved to be real leaky, so he had to coat it with Vaseline. The helicopters were old H-34s (S-58s), with the tails cut off and props added, facing aft. To join it all, he used a massive truss structure. Short of money, he had to use irrigation pipe and it came out overweight. Also, to save money, each helicopter had a pilot in it, to avoid having to build a integrated control system. The vehicle was assembled in the old airship hangar at Lakehurst, NJ. After some shakedown flights, they were preparing to tether it when a gust of wind caught it and it started to move downwind. The landing wheels were castoring and started to shimmy. This set up a bad oscillation in the structure and it started to come apart. When the helicopters broke loose and fell off, one pilot was killed. Thus ended the Heli-Stat saga. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- David Lednicer | "Applied Computational Fluid Dynamics" Analytical Methods, Inc. | email: dave@amiwest.com 2133 152nd Ave NE | tel: (206) 643-9090 Redmond, WA 98052 USA | fax: (206) 746-1299 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:50:52 -0400 From: Frank Markus Subject: USGS Distributing Previously Classified Satellite Photos The photos are from the 1960s and 1970s. Details are available at: http://edcwww.cr.usgs.gov/dclass/dclass.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:15:53 -0700 From: patrick@e-z.net Subject: A-10 God am I sorry I reported this story to the list.......... The wreckage found against the side of a mountain peak has been confirmed to be from the missing A-10. Serial numbers from parts recovered indicate it to be A-10 wreckage. No bombs or evidence of the pilot found yet. But this doesen't mean the bombs are in a warehouse in Denver or the pilot is aboard a loitering ufo. It doesn't imply, infer, indicate, or suggest anything. Nothing! Not a damn thing! The plane is no longer missing. End of story as far as this list is concerned. The end! patrick cullumber patrick@e-z.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:25:15 -0400 From: Dan Zinngrabe Subject: TR-3 and others I=92m in the process of putting the pages up, and some are done and some not. The old URL will still stand, but if you want to preview the page before anyone else can figure out where it is, here are 2 finished and tested UURLs- TR-3 page: http://www.macconnect.com/~quellish/tr3/tr3page1.html Other Black Programs http://www.macconnect.com/~quellish/other/other.html If anyone sees quotes around the =93TR-3A=94 headline on the tr-3 page instead of Q-looking things, please tell me. Why its doing that hasn=92t been figured out yet. :P have fun Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 08:49:24 +1200 From: Brett Davidson Subject: A-10 > If it weren't for the militia, we'd still be paying taxes to the > British Empire! > *Ahem* I am a citizen of New Zealand, which is a member of the Commonwealth, and I pay my taxes to the New Zealand Government. What Empire? Apologies for the off-charter post. - --Brett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:07:45 -0400 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com (GREG WEIGOLD) Subject: Re: A-10 My humble apologies to those who aren't US citizens - the reference was strictly intended to remind those who are, that it was the militia that fought an organized army for our freedom from the then British Empire. Sorry 'bout that Brett, and anyone else. Embarrassed and polictically incorrect: Greg Weigold, Columbia, SC gregweigold@pmsc.com ps: Any further off-topic complaints may be sent to my personal address - to prevent what I'm sure will be a torrent of e-mail! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: A-10 Author: Brett Davidson at INTERNET Date: 4/26/97 8:49 AM > If it weren't for the militia, we'd still be paying taxes to the > British Empire! > *Ahem* I am a citizen of New Zealand, which is a member of the Commonwealth, and I pay my taxes to the New Zealand Government. What Empire? Apologies for the off-charter post. - --Brett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:08:44 +1200 From: Brett Davidson Subject: Re: A-10, "A-17" and other stuff. At 06:07 PM 25/04/97 -0400, you wrote: > My humble apologies to those who aren't US citizens - the reference > was strictly intended to remind those who are, that it was the militia > that fought an organized army for our freedom from the then British > Empire. > > Sorry 'bout that Brett, and anyone else. Accepted! I was merely correcting a minor/implied factual error. Too much caffeine brings on attacks of pedantry. I'll add a ":-)" next time. General endorsement, while I'm at the keyboard: Dan Z's site is looking promising. I'll be looking forward to the new pages. Also, I notice in a recent issue of Janes Defence Weekly has an article by Nick Cook speculating/reporting on the "A-17" (though he doesn't refer to it as such). Unfortunately, I don't have the issue in my office right now, and so I can't give the date. Disclaimers apply to the quality of my memory also. Major points: Cannon/Canon (? - one is a weapon, the other is a musical composition, a cleric, or a Japanese camera) AFB, New Mexico (?) has officially declined, and that is where the last F-111s ended up before being retired. However, there has been some building going on. Hmmm. Organisation charts/timelines shown at USAF presentations have shown an F-111/F-117/F-15E successor entering full service in 2005, a year before the F-22, and some years before the JSF. This would imply that a prototype development programme is at least underway already. Stealthy, supersonic, deep-interdiction aircraft is very much on the AF wish-list (winning the lottery is on mine - but that isn't evidence that I will win, tho'). Proposed F-111/F-117/F-15E successors include F-16 variants, JSF variants, F-22 variants. Latter is apparently preferred, but unless it sacrifices its stealth, it will have insufficient weapons carriage or range to follow on from the F-15E. Repeats reports of "A-17" - large, serrated trailing edge, in company with F-111s etc. Cook suggests that a "silver bullet" force of these aircraft could possibly be deployed already (comments on F-117 being in service for 5 years before being unveilled), and when the F-117s and F-15Es start to be phased out, either a new aircraft enters service - one of the JSF/F-22 proposals perhaps - - which will be complemented by the black aircraft, or the black aircraft is revealed and bought in larger numbers. Computer graphic of a vaguely YF-23-like swing-wing plane. - --Brett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 06:37:52 -0700 From: patrick@e-z.net Subject: Re: "A-17" and other stuff. Brett Davidson wrote:..... I notice in a recent issue of Janes Defence Weekly has an article by Nick Cook speculating/reporting on the "A-17" (though he doesn't refer to it as such). Major points: > Cannon/Canon (? - one is a weapon, the other is a musical composition, > cleric, or a Japanese camera) AFB, New Mexico has officially declined, > and that is where the last F-111s ended up before being retired. However, there has been some building going on. Hmmm. I think these articles are interesting to read but it is amazing to me in my humble opionion how they are strung together with convenient bits of speculation. There is a growing tendency here to do what we criticize the ufo people for doing. We take unsubstantiated opinion and reqoute it so many times till it becomes accepted fact. Case in point: "All the construction going on at Cannon AFB indicates the arrival of a fleet of 45 TR-3A's". That is the original rumor that still kicks around in various articles and now the current iteration appears in a Jane's publication. I was with the person who made this claim originally. We had spent an entire day at Cannon and we're given the cook's tour, courtesy of the base commander. After visiting the flightline, TRACON, a photo tour of the tower, we went past the base hospital undergoing some remodeling. The question was asked of our guide why it was being remodeled. She replied it needed to be expanded and upgraded. At the time of our visit, Cannon was told they would be standing down the squadrons of F and EF-111's. There was a lot of unsettled feelings there as no replacement unit had been designated to move in. The author of this rumor, over lunch, tried to tell me his theory. He claimed to have seen, from the tower, a secret hangar on the vacant side of the runway, at the edge of farmland. And with the hospital being expanded on a base losing its only aircraft, it became clear in his mind one idea. "The base was being prepared to receive the existing fleet of up to 45 TR-3A aircraft." That is the original assertion. I saw no hanger. I don't connect a hospital construction project as a link to a base being redied to receive 45 black aircraft. (Do TR-3A crews and families require more complex health facilities?) The base never received any black aircraft and instead F-16's are stationed there. So the bottom line is there was no construction at Cannon having anything remotely connected with black airplanes. And now that further time has elapsed, there is no reason to discuss Cannon as a home for black airplanes. We are critical of ufo researchers and we are critical of our own government for not telling the truth. We need to examine our own methods and discount unsubstantiated rumors for what they are. There is a growing tendency to continue publishing these rumors for a profit which in no way makes them valid. It may expand readership, but it is a cancer to the body of black aircraft research. patrick cullumber patrick@e-z.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 20:48:17 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? I am doing a "biography" on the U-2, Frank Powers, and Cold War Aerial Reconnaissance Missions. In my reading I read the book "Stealth Technology" The Art of Black Magic by J.Jones 1989. The book as raised a few questions. In the book it says "In operational tests, this effective stealth aircraft(F-117A) has reportedly flown within 20 miles of actual Soviet-manned radar stations without being detected." Has anyone else heard, seen or read such a thing before(now or then)? If so, where at? Was it a F-117? XST? Other Stealth Technology Aircrat? Is this a myth? Was it Soviet or Soviet Bloc airspace? I would like to know any opinions, anecdotes, "I heard that..." stories, or whatever on this matter. Thanks for your time and interest, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 15:01:50 -0700 From: patrick@e-z.net Subject: Re: Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? santiagoj@delphi.com wrote: I read the book "Stealth Technology" The Art of Black Magic by > J.Jones 1989. The book as raised a few questions. In the book it says "In operational > tests, this effective stealth aircraft(F-117A) has reportedly flown within 20 miles of > actual Soviet-manned radar stations without being detected." Has anyone else heard, seen > or read such a thing before(now or then)? - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Jones is an interesting writer. But Jones also reports the F-117 to have folding wings, built in a 2 seat version, no ability to refuel (the current detatchment in Kuwait refueled 15 times to fly from Virginia non-stop to Kuwait!) and that the internal airframe structure consists of thousands of diamond shaped panels. None of this is true. He does mention the XST to be flown against captured Russian radars and this is entirely possible. But the AF guarded this "asset" like the crown jewels in its black days. They knew very well how incredibly effective the F-117 was in minimizing the effectiveness of radar and therefore it would be inexcusable to take a risk as flying it needlessly. There is no known evidence to indicate the airplane ever left the continental US until the mission to initiate the raid on Panama in December of 1989. When the F-117's were flying in Saudia Arabia during Operation Desert Shield they did play cat and mouse with Iraqi radars with interesting result. They would approach the border in a non-Stealth condition, and then retract all their antenna in a full stealth configuration and fly away from the border. The Iraqi's assumed that the targets, now disappearing from view on their radar screens, had crossed the border on a low level mission and would direct their antiaircraft guns to fire at the sky hoping to hit anything flying by. These games gave great condidence to the F-117 pilots when they eventually flew on to Bagdad. patrick cullumber patrick@e-z.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:55:08 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: What is the U-2R MPG? I read the early u-2s got 5mpg. What do they "get" today? Is there any jet with a higher mpg than the 5mpg of the original U-2? Thanks, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:58:17 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: Sr-71 and underground hangers for TDY Did the Blackbirds use underground hangers for TDY, like Kadena, etc? Or is this just myth. Thanks, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 18:00:23 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: Why was UAV cancelled for TR-1? Why was the Boeing B-Gull Recon UAV cancelled and replaced by TR-1? Was it the USAF hang up about keeping pilots in the seats? Thanks, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:52:17 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: Project Aquatone? Who named it that? Why? What is the origin of the name of Lockheed's project U-2? Who named itProject Aquatone. And why Aquatone? Thanks, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:49:56 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: X-16 and Bald Eagle Project Info wanted- where at? Where can I get details on the USAF?/CIA Bald Eagel Project? I would also like some X-16 illustrations and projected specs too. Thanks, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:56:15 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: Boost-glide and the U-2 Is boost-glide still used on all U2 Er2 missions? Thanks, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:47:35 -0700 From: santiagoj@delphi.com Subject: Adjustable "Iron Ball" paint? Can iron ball paint "shift" the amount of radar signal distortion through electronic control(amplification?). I read that in the J. Jone Stealth Technology book 1989. Did I read it wrong? Was/Is he wrong? I didn't think iron ball was that flexible. I thought it was a "fixed" aid that couldn't be manipulated. Thanks, J.E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:00:55 +0000 From: jwp@lubrizol.com Subject: Re: Adjustable "Iron Ball" paint? santiagoj%delphi.com wrote: > > Can iron ball paint "shift" the amount of radar signal distortion through > electronic control(amplification?). I read that in the J. Jone Stealth Technology > book 1989. Did I read it wrong? Was/Is he wrong? > I didn't think iron ball was that flexible. I thought it was a "fixed" aid that > couldn't be manipulated. > Thanks, > J.E. I believe it is the stealth coatings based on organic semiconductors that may be tuneable with an imposed electric field. Several years ago, one of the manufactuers of organic semiconductors (Cookson) mentioned this property of organic semiconductors, such as polyaniline, and suggested it could be used to tune the stealth coating for specific radar threats. Since then there has also been discussion about the ability of these polymers to also change color when a field is applied. This is being looked at for "visible" stealth. Lockeed has done a lot of research on organic semiconductors at their Kelly Johnson Research Center. Joe Pialet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 9:44:21 nA From: ahanley@usace.mil Subject: re: Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? Remember, "Soviet manned" does not necessarily require the site to be in Soviet airspace. They could be manning another country's site. Art Hanley To those that wouldst query, "Dost thou speaketh for thine employer?", I say thee, "Nay"! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Joseph F. Donoghue" Subject: Re: Boost-glide and the U-2 I'm not sure what you mean by 'boost-glide.' If you mean shutting down the engine to increase range in the U-2, this was not done. Except in an emergency, a U-2 pilot would not turn off the motor in flight unless he was on an engine test flight and within sight of the airfield. In an engine shutdown or flameout situation, the battery was only expected to last for about 20 minutes. Restart was only possible with battery for ignition and at an altitude of 35,000 feet or less. Not a good idea to shut down the only engine and it is doubtful that any range benefit could come from doing so. U-2s have relatively light wing loadings but they are not sailplanes. Joe Donoghue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:54:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Joseph F. Donoghue" Subject: Re: Sr-71 and underground hangers for TDY The SR-71 hangars at Kadena were built for the A-12. There is a good aerial photo of them in Jim Goodall's SR-71 BLACKBIRD, ISBN1-89747-338-8 These hangars are not underground. I've read that there is a hump in the runway at Kadena that masked the view from some angles. It was the sudden emergence of the Blackbird from behind this terrain feature that probably gave birth to the underground hangar stories. Joe Donoghue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 11:06:03 nA From: ahanley@usace.mil Subject: Re: A-10, "A-17" and other stuff. Most charts I've seen have shown the new strike aircraft arriving in 2015 rather than 2005. There's talk now that even that may be pushed back. As Brett mentions, for something to be in full scale service by 2005 (given the glacial nature of R&D programs today) it would have to be in prototype form today. If this successor was a black aircraft flying now, that 2005 date on a chart would represent a major security goof if it appeared once, and several careers would be over if it appeared multiple times. They could be talking about an upgrade to an existing aircraft, or the F-22. It's worthy of note that USAF is indicating it will retire the F-117 if necessary to fund the F-22. Regarding its stealthy payload, I believe it'll carry as much air-to-ground ordnance internally as the F-117 does internally. Art Hanley Those that seek to find a relationship between what I've written here and what my employer may believe, seek something that can't be found. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:41:32 -0700 From: patrick@e-z.net Subject: Re: Did Stealth aircraft penetrate Soviet airspace? patrick@e-z.net wrote: > > ahanley@usace.mil wrote: > > > > Remember, "Soviet manned" does not necessarily require the site to be in Soviet > > airspace. They could be manning another country's site. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > My studies indicate the F-117 never left the continental US until it was > flown to Panama. I read the question to imply whether the plane was > flown outside of the US (as Joe Jones states in his book) against a > Soviet bloc country. Such as we did with the Cobra Ball flights out of > Alaska or various flights along the old Cold War borders of Europe. > > There were always rumors that the F-117's were flown secretly to England > for testing. I have no reason to belive this ever occured. I think the > reason for this rumor is based on the fact that for a number of years an > RAF pilot has been an active member of the 117 program. One even flew > during the Gulf War. An RAF pilot is in the command structure of the > 9th FS today. > > But if anyone has information to the contrary, I would like to see it. > > patrick cullumber > patrick@e-z.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:17:38 -0400 From: Dan Zinngrabe Subject: Finally! The frames, etc. and links page are finallly up at Black Dawn. The only elements missing right now are the Buzzard and Aurora pages- those will be up within a few days. Black Dawn is at: http://www.macconnect.com/~quellish/ :) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:16:22 -0400 From: Ron and Louise Crawford Subject: Black Dawn website Way to go, Dan! Keep posting. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:03:07 -0400 From: Ron and Louise Crawford Subject: X-30 NASP Can anyone supply me with the approximate dimensions of the proposed X-30 "NASP"? Just span and/or length would be fine. Many thanks. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:07:23 -0700 From: larry@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: X-30 NASP Ron writes: >Can anyone supply me with the approximate dimensions of the proposed >X-30 "NASP"? Just span and/or length would be fine. > >Many thanks. You do know that the program has been cancelled, don't you? Your question is somewhat moot because the answer to your question was one of the reasons for cancellation. Namely, the size and cost of the final all H2 fuelled airplane was way too high. So it was cancelled. A truely functioning NASP would want to be smaller and more affordable. NASP failed because it was an impossible program from the start, namely to develop and fly a pure airbreather SSTO, without having any previous flight experience with pure airbreather SSTO technology, except for a lot of theoretical work done in the past along with experimental evidence from static tests. It was somethat like asking Robert Goddard to design and build an orbital rocket before he had succeeded in just flying rockets successfully on low trajectories. What must be done first, are technology development efforts like the current Hyper-X program. The current efforts are going away from an all H2 fuelled vehicle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:00:05 -0500 From: Tom Robison Subject: QDR Report: Troops likely to be cut 50,000 -- NEW YORK, April 29 United Press International reports Pentagon officials told the New York times today that major cuts in troop strength and a cutback in funding for high-tech jet fighters could be the result of the broadest review of American military strategy since the end of the Cold War. Pentagon officials involved in the recent study told the Times that the Army could be cut by as much as 50,000 troops, and the Air Force and Navy will likely have to trim --------------------------------------------------- their fighter wish lists when the Quadrennial Defense Review ------------------------ is made public next month. Tom Robison tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com Hughes Defense Communications, Fort Wayne IN Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone, and do not reflect the views or opinions of whoever might own me at the moment. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:49:17 -0700 From: patrick@e-z.net Subject: Dr. Bob's Book This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------603A2ADF2254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have waited 3 years for this book. Dr. Bob is a hero to me. This book should include the best description of the EC-135 Spyflights out of Alaska. Dr. Bob has been a command pilot on every type mission ever to leave Shemya AFB and has photos of every EC-135 ever made. These photos should all be in the book. patrick patrick@e-z.net - --------------603A2ADF2254 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from BBPC4.tconl.com ([204.26.80.11]) by e-zone.e-z.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21481 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.200.0.216] by BBPC4.tconl.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA29828; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:04:27 -0500 X-Sender: drbob@popd.tconl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:08:10 -0500 To: drbob@novia.net From: Robert Hopkins Subject: Impending Release Information New_Century_SchlbkO= ne Step Closer! New_Centur= y_SchlbkAt last the Boeing KC-135---More Than Just a Tanker by Robert S. Hopkins, III, is nearing release from Aerofax/Midland Counties. Formal release plans are scheduled in England for the RAF =46airford Air Show held from 18-20 July 1997, with U.S. availability shortly thereafter. Publication Details *224 pages *8.5 x 11 inches *185 black and white photos *50 color photos *softcover *ISBN 1 85780 069 9 *=A324.95 Sources for ordering the book will be announced as soon as they're finalized. Check your favorite aviation book store, catalog, or mail order company for up-to the minute news. To see the book's cover in full color, visit this new URL: http://www.novia.net/~drbob/cover.html I'll be glad to keep you informed of events as they unfold. All the Best, Robert S. "DrBob" Hopkins, III - --------------603A2ADF2254-- ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V6 #47 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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