skunk-works-digest Friday, March 6 1998 Volume 07 : Number 011 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: S-37 etc...Syntheic Aperature Recent magazines... Re: Re[4]: Blackjet news.... Re: U-2 and other Cold War shootdowns Re: S-37 etc...Synthetic Aperture Re[6]: Blackjet news.... Re: U-2 and other Cold War shootdowns FAQ or Information Web Site Re: Re[6]: Blackjet news.... Re: U-2 and other Cold War shootdowns Hyper-X news X-15 altitude record Re: X-15 altitude record Kill me then. Re[8]: Blackjet news.... [none] RE: FAQ or Information Web Site Spice Up Your Briefing with War Fighter Photos X-15 record Re: X-15 altitude record Re: X-15 altitude record Re: X-15 altitude record Cold War Shootdown-almost Re: Cold War Shootdown-almost [none] skunky comic U-2R Re: Spice Up Your Briefing with War Fighter Photos Article on "Secrecy, The Media & F-117A" *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:39:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Subject: Re: S-37 etc...Syntheic Aperature James Matthews asked: >Also, was winmail.dat attached to this? No, it was not -- btw, your blind typing was better than some other people's writing when they can see. :) >Also, how come some people can see what I've written before the post gets >sent out? Like someone replied to my post before I every received the >edition with my post and the reply... There are two ways for receiving Skunk Work list posts: a) directly (whenever a post is sent to the list everybody gets a copy), by subscribing to "Skunk-Works" b) digest (whenever a digest is created -- based on size or date -- everyone gets a copy of the digest), by subscribing to "Skunk-Works-Digest" Of course, you can subscribe to both. If everybody would only receive the digest, it would be quite difficult to keep up a dialog! Don't know enough about SARs to explain them, sorry. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@acm.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.ais.org/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Subject: Recent magazines... Here are some (relatively) new magazine articles, that might be interesting to Skunk Works list subscribers: Wings of Fame: ============== * WoF, Vol, 9: - article about the Vought XF8U-3 Crusader III, including several photos and drawings; (Larry might like this one :) ) - also the MiG-19 Variant Briefing includes a small combat history, listing several Cold War shootdowns and similar incidents (even though many seem to contradict with accounts from other sources); AIR International: ================== * AI, Vol.53, No.6, December 1997: - small Lockheed Martin update article; * AI, Vol.54, No.1, January 1998: - part one of a nice C-135 article; * AI, Vol.54, No.1, January 1998: - article on Global Reach, Hyper-X, X-33, LASRE, by the infamous Dr. David Baker; - part two of the C-135 article; AirForces Monthly: ================== * AFM, No.118, January 1998: - small article on LASRE; * AFM, No.119, February 1998: - (not yet arrived, sigh) AIR Enthusiast: =============== * AE, No.73, January/February 1998: - article about Soviet supersonic bomber projects, including RSR and T-4MS; Combat Aircraft: ================ * CA, Vol.1, No.4, November 1997: - article about B-2; - article about 160th SOAR helicopters; * CA, Vol.1, No.5, January 1998: - nice AWACS article; * CA, Vol.1, No.6, March 1998: - articles about F-117s at Tonopah -- promoting Jon Lake's new F-117 book; Air Combat: =========== * AC, Vol.26, No.1, January/February 1998: - several small articles about LASRE, UCAVs, and other things; Airpower: ========= * Vol.28, No.2, March 1998: - article on US bombers, including various recon types; Air&Space Smithsonian: ====================== * A&S, Vol.11, No.5, December 1997/January 1998: - article on secret CIA missions to Tibet; * A&S, Vol.12, No.6, February/March 1998: - article about Dryden, including SR-71, LASRE, X-33, X-36, X-38, etc. FLIGHT Journal: =============== * FJ, Vol.3, No.2, April 1998: - article about RB-47H shootdown; Of course there were also many FI (Flight International) and AW&ST (Aviation Week & Space Technology) magazines in the last three or so month, which had Skunk Works-related articles, but I don't have the time to list them here. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@acm.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.ais.org/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 19:59:33 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: Re[4]: Blackjet news.... On 2/27/98 8:01AM, in message <9802278885.AA888595606@cc.pmsc.com>, gregweigold@pmsc.com wrote: > But they use those funny looking black rubber rafts or the little > powered sleds, they can't just roll a sub up on the beach and disgorge > Marines! > > 'Course, the Sea Shadow wasn't gonna do that either, but..... > > Greg Weigold > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > But where do you think on a ver covert mission those funny looking black rubber rafts are coming from? Even Seals rarely row them all the way across the Pacific. You'd be amazed just how close you can get with a sub given the right coastline. Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 20:15:40 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: U-2 and other Cold War shootdowns As an expansion on Andreas' post, while there were sometimes escorts, usually range considerations precluded this. There was also the problem that if an actually penetration of airspace was involved, there were only two things worse than having the recon plane come down inside the target's territory. Having an armed fighter coming down inside the target's airspace or shooting down an aircraft from the target's airspace inside their territory, both of which would constitute an act of war. This especially illuminates the bravery of those flying those recon flights because, once they had crossed the line, they knew no help would be provided until they were back in international airspace ("...the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions"). One thing that was done was to have a carrier nearby when feasible to provide protection in international airspace. There have been cases when Chinese J-6s (Mig-19s) jumped C-130s (that may have never entered Chinese airspace) just to see if they could get away with it, and F-4s from a 7th Fleet carrier were launched and engaged them. Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 20:28:59 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: S-37 etc...Synthetic Aperture The easiest way to think of Synthetic Aperture Radar is that it uses the aircraft's motion to create a "virtual" antenna. A very sharp pulse is sent out and as the emitting aircraft moves the returning signals are processed and combined with previous returns it forms a sharper picture taking advantage of the slightly different angle each beam was emitted and received at. Like a series of very thin slices of a picture all put side by side to produce a complete picture. You get a radar picture that is as if the antenna was hundreds if not thousands of feet long, a "synthetic" aperture. Of course you need decent computing power to do this. Naturally, you have to be moving at an angle to what you're looking at in order to get the successive "looks". The best is to be flying parallel to what you want to image and having then antenna pointing 90 degrees relative to your course. The F-15 Advanced Technology Demonstrator in the '80s demonstrated this technology as a landing aid in IFR weather when the field didn't have, or didn't want to use, landing aids that emitted. The aircraft would fly at 90 degrees to the runway heading and use SAR which had sufficient resolution to actually image the runway itself well enough to make a "visual" landing. As the aircraft turned final, of course, the SAR image would disappear, but it would be retained in the aircraft's Nav systems for the aircraft to be able to create it's own approach cues to the flare. I do not n=know if an "image" of the runway was projected for the pilot to see, then, but it would be perfectly possible to do today. A variant of SAR is ISAR, which stands for Inverse SAR. This actually uses the target's motion to refine and sharpen the image. Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 18:16:08 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: Re[6]: Blackjet news.... The SEALS I know claim to have rowed all the way across the Pacific..... you mean they weren't being entirely truthful? Greg Weigold ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: Blackjet news.... Author: at INTERNET Date: 2/28/98 7:59 PM On 2/27/98 8:01AM, in message <9802278885.AA888595606@cc.pmsc.com>, gregweigold@pmsc.com wrote: > But they use those funny looking black rubber rafts or the little > powered sleds, they can't just roll a sub up on the beach and disgorge > Marines! > > 'Course, the Sea Shadow wasn't gonna do that either, but..... > > Greg Weigold > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > But where do you think on a ver covert mission those funny looking black rubber rafts are coming from? Even Seals rarely row them all the way across the Pacific. You'd be amazed just how close you can get with a sub given the right coastline. Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:23:06 -0500 (EST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: Re: U-2 and other Cold War shootdowns On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 betnal@ns.net wrote: > Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions"). One thing that was done > was to have a carrier nearby when feasible to provide protection in international > airspace. There have been cases when Chinese J-6s (Mig-19s) jumped C-130s (that How about aircraft carrier for launching and retrivel (in case of emergency) of U-2? As we all know, U-2 can take off and land in a aircraft carrier. Wonder if there is any known mission of U-2 envolving with the Navy. As a friend of mine that worked for the Navy said to me: "The Navy is one of the major user of the U-2" May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mails: wsu02@utopia.poly.edu wjs@webspan.net "If God had meant man to fly, He would have given him more money." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:20:43 -0000 From: Gavin Payne Subject: FAQ or Information Web Site (not sure if this got sent first time, sorry if it did) Hi, Is there a Skunkworks FAQ or information web site for people who are new or just briefly interested in the Skunkworks/black projects? If there's not then I would willing help create and host one. I'd like to see one made by the whole of the list, not just one person with a few contributions. I know Lockheed actually have a web site for the Skunkworks, but they don't tell everything do they :) Any ideas, comments or suggestions to me personally or via the list accepted. Gavin Payne - ---------- Gavin Payne, UK G.Payne@cleancrunch.demon.co.uk - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 03:37:17 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: Re[6]: Blackjet news.... On 2/28/98 3:16PM, in message <9802288887.AA888708011@cc.pmsc.com>, gregweigold@pmsc.com wrote: > The SEALS I know claim to have rowed all the way across the > Pacific..... you mean they weren't being entirely truthful? > > Greg Weigold > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Note that in my original message I said they "rarely" rowed all the way across. Those guys are big and I'd hate to piss them off! Of course, some would say they rowed the submarine across the Pacific! Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 03:40:24 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: U-2 and other Cold War shootdowns U-2s were operated from carriers on specific occasions, not all of which have been declassified yet. There weren't all missions against the East. At least some of the missions were reported to be monitoring French atmospheric nuclear blasts. Keep in mind that regardless of where you launched from, once you crossed "the line", you were on your own. Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 04:30:23 -0500 (EST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: Hyper-X news Skunkers... bad news, the Hyper-X team is cancelling the Mach 5 flight. Oh well, they still have 3 more flight :) May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mails: wsu02@utopia.poly.edu wjs@webspan.net "If God had meant man to fly, He would have given him more money." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:58:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: X-15 altitude record Hello. Anyone know what is the altitude record of the X-15? I was reading Aviation Leak article about the supersonic flight AW&ST Oct. 13, 1997 (yeah... I am way behind of schedule) pag. S14 and it says the X-15 reached "altitudes as great as 354,200 ft". I am a kind of skeptical of this number... it is practically flying in space. Thanks in advances. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mails: wsu02@utopia.poly.edu wjs@webspan.net "If God had meant man to fly, He would have given him more money." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:19:05 From: win@writer.win-uk.net (David) Subject: Re: X-15 altitude record Amazing but true ! 22 August 1963 Flight 91 A/C #3 reached 354,200 feet. Pilot: Walker. Sources: X-15 Flight Log (NASA) Jay Miller - X-Planes > Hello. Anyone know what is the altitude record of the X-15? I was >reading Aviation Leak article about the supersonic flight AW&ST Oct. 13, >1997 (yeah... I am way behind of schedule) pag. S14 and it says the X-15 >reached "altitudes as great as 354,200 ft". I am a kind of skeptical of >this number... it is practically flying in space. . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:24:41 +0900 From: "Darryl Matthews" Subject: Kill me then. >Well, James, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you... Sure, go ahead...but *please* tell me how you guys do that. :) Can anyone enlighten me about the synthetic aperature radar? Andreas? Also, being over here in Japan, I have an interest in Japanese military (sorry, self-defensive) actions. I heard that they were developing a purely indigenous stealth aircraft -- not the FSX (that's the F-16 look-a-like). 1.) Can anyone elaborate on that? 2.) If they are, surely that's against the agreement that the Japanese agreed with America after WWII. Thank you... James. ____________________ James Matthews. E-mail (family): matthews@tkb.att.ne.jp E-mail (private): james_matthews@hotmail.com Homepage: http://home.att.ne.jp/gold/tomcat21/index2.html ICQ: 7413754 ____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 09:30:46 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: Re[8]: Blackjet news.... Yeah, but that usually took 2 more beers to come out! Greg ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[6]: Blackjet news.... Author: at INTERNET Date: 3/2/98 3:37 AM On 2/28/98 3:16PM, in message <9802288887.AA888708011@cc.pmsc.com>, gregweigold@pmsc.com wrote: > The SEALS I know claim to have rowed all the way across the > Pacific..... you mean they weren't being entirely truthful? > > Greg Weigold > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Note that in my original message I said they "rarely" rowed all the way across. Those guys are big and I'd hate to piss them off! Of course, some would say they rowed the submarine across the Pacific! Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:57:32 +0100 From: Samuel Sporrenstrand Subject: [none] unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:35:29 -0800 From: Erik Hoel Subject: RE: FAQ or Information Web Site Gavin, Rather than rolling your own, I would suggest a links page to other = sites containing related information. There is a good collection of such = sites (20+) that would work well in this capacity. For example, try: http://www.thepoint.net/~jstone/blackbird.html http://www.ais.org/~schnars/aero.htm http://www.awgnet.com/aviation/index.htm http://www.airspacemag.com/ http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/index.html http://playfair.stanford.edu/~woo/skunkworks.html =09 This list goes on and on ... It would be appropriate for this site to be located at the list = administrator's site. A search mechanism for old digests would be = particularly helpful. Erik - -- Erik Hoel = mailto:ehoel@esri.com _|_| Environmental Systems Research Institute = http://www.esri.com _|_| 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 = tel ESRI Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 = fax ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 11:34:34 GMT From: "Terry Colvin" Subject: Spice Up Your Briefing with War Fighter Photos Are you looking for some Warfighter images to spice up your briefings, task web pages, or other official documents. Try the JCCC (Joint Combat Camera Center) http://dodimagery.afis.osd.mil/home.html You'll have to apply for a password and their server could be a little faster but they have a lot of photos and new ones are added daily. Put a Warfighter in your briefing! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:00:20 -0000 From: Gavin Payne Subject: X-15 record Well yeah flying at 325,000 ft would get you astronaut wings. To get them you have to fly above 260,000 ft I believe? Gavin Ps Any ideas about my information website idea? Would Lockheed want to know about it if I did make one? - ---------- Gavin Payne, UK G.Payne@cleancrunch.demon.co.uk - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:55:30 +1200 From: Brett Davidson Subject: Re: X-15 altitude record At 05:58 2/03/98 -0500, you wrote: > > Hello. Anyone know what is the altitude record of the X-15? I was >reading Aviation Leak article about the supersonic flight AW&ST Oct. 13, >1997 (yeah... I am way behind of schedule) pag. S14 and it says the X-15 >reached "altitudes as great as 354,200 ft". I am a kind of skeptical of >this number... it is practically flying in space. > Thanks in advances. > True - it wasn't 'flying' at that altitude, but was on a ballistic trajectory. Effectively it was an air-launched suborbital spaceship. The pilot did get astronaut wings for that - I seem to recall that the boundary is 100 miles or suchlike. - --Brett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:04:28 -0500 (EST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: Re: X-15 altitude record On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Brett Davidson wrote: > True - it wasn't 'flying' at that altitude, but was on a ballistic > trajectory. Effectively it was an air-launched suborbital spaceship. The > pilot did get astronaut wings for that - I seem to recall that the boundary > is 100 miles or suchlike. I am completely agree with you... even when the SR-71 fly around 80,000 ft high, there is almost no lift force on her wing. She practically "fly" by centrifuga force. May the Force be with you Su Wei-Jen E-mails: wsu02@utopia.poly.edu wjs@webspan.net "If God had meant man to fly, He would have given him more money." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:29:57 +0000 From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: Re: X-15 altitude record Wei-Jen Su wrote: > > Hello. Anyone know what is the altitude record of the X-15? I was > reading Aviation Leak article about the supersonic flight AW&ST Oct. 13, > 1997 (yeah... I am way behind of schedule) pag. S14 and it says the X-15 > reached "altitudes as great as 354,200 ft". I am a kind of skeptical of > this number... it is practically flying in space. Howdy! The figure I found was 108 km. Converting that back to the old WOMBAT (Way Of Measuring Badly in America Today) units that does come out pretty close to the number you quoted. Cheers! Patrick :-) - -- Patrick Wiggins Hansen Planetarium Education Department email: p.wiggins@m.cc.utah.edu voice: 801.531-4952, fax: 801.531-4948 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:51:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Joseph F. Donoghue" Subject: Cold War Shootdown-almost On the 55th Strategic Recon Wing's site is a newly - posted first person account of the RB-47H mission which got shot up by North Korean MiGs on 28 April 1965. http://www.55srwa.org/55_back.html Joe Donoghue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:16:44 -0600 (CST) From: drbob@creighton.edu Subject: Re: Cold War Shootdown-almost Fellow Skunkers may be interested in seeing photos of the aircraft after landing. If you can find the old _Journal of Military Aviation_, the May-June 1992 issue (V1N3) has a story on pages 44-45 titled "Close Call for an RB-47H." The airplane was withdrawn from use after the incident. DrBob On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Joseph F. Donoghue wrote: > > On the 55th Strategic Recon Wing's site is a newly - posted first person > account of the RB-47H mission which got shot up by North Korean MiGs on > 28 April 1965. > > http://www.55srwa.org/55_back.html > > Joe Donoghue > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:07:09 -0000 From: Gavin Payne Subject: [none] 980280. Last U-2R goes to depot for re-engining by Staff Sgt. James Brabenec 9th Reconnaissance Wing Public Affairs BEALE AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (AFNS) -- Beale's last U-2R reconnaissance aircraft flew out recently to the Lockheed-Martin Skunk Works facility in Palmdale, Calif., where it will be upgraded to an S model. The new U-2S model features an upgraded engine and provides better fuel economy and relieves some of the pilot workload, said Lt. Col. Mario Buda, 1st Reconnaissance Squadron commander. "The S model simplifies engine management for the pilot," said Buda. "While the R model required pilots to pay attention for an engine over-temperature concern, the S model has an on-board computer to manage the engine system." While the airframe will remain essentially the same, the lighter engine provides the U-2 with up-to-date technology, and improved reliability and maintainability. "The new computer-controlled engine reduces maintenance effort and aircraft downtime," said Master Sgt. James Cox, 99th Reconnaissance Squadron propulsion element chief. The new engines are in the same "engine family" as those used in F-16s, F-117s and B-1s. U-2S aircraft share about 88 percent of its parts with the standard production engine, making it much easier and cheaper to get replacement parts, said Fred Carmody, Lockheed Advanced Development Co. field operations manager. The new engine and accessories are also about 1,300 pounds lighter than the previous version, allowing the U-2S to fly higher. Beale's U-2 fleet began engine upgrades in 1994. The U-2R flew its last operational sortie from France early last year. The U-2R flew more then 30,000 operational missions. Beale operates U-2s from four operating locations worldwide. (Courtesy of Air Combat Command News Service) - ---------- Gavin Payne, UK G.Payne@cleancrunch.demon.co.uk - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:58:59 -0600 From: Jaime Viehweg Subject: skunky comic Since things have paused (at least I didn't get any skunky mail today :\ ), I was wondering if anyone saw last Sunday's "Mixed Media" comic? It shows two guards standing in front of a "base" that has a sign on it that reads: U.S.A.F WELCOME Area 52 Public Allowed And some other signs: Area 52 Come on in Not restricted Visitors Welcome And there is a guy flying a kite, several balloons here and there. One guard says to the other "...there's gotta be a more interesting base to guard." Well, I thought it was funny! jaime - -- jviehweg | I read recently that human beings use only 15% @ Jaime Viehweg | of their brains capacity. Makes you wonder ahhgo.com | what they do with the other 75%. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:32:51 -0500 From: "Tom C Robison" Subject: U-2R >From today's Air Force news: 980280. Last U-2R goes to depot for re-engining by Staff Sgt. James Brabenec 9th Reconnaissance Wing Public Affairs BEALE AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (AFNS) -- Beale's last U-2R reconnaissance aircraft flew out recently to the Lockheed-Martin Skunk Works facility in Palmdale, Calif., where it will be upgraded to an S model. The new U-2S model features an upgraded engine and provides better fuel economy and relieves some of the pilot workload, said Lt. Col. Mario Buda, 1st Reconnaissance Squadron commander. "The S model simplifies engine management for the pilot," said Buda. "While the R model required pilots to pay attention for an engine over-temperature concern, the S model has an on-board computer to manage the engine system." While the airframe will remain essentially the same, the lighter engine provides the U-2 with up-to-date technology, and improved reliability and maintainability. "The new computer-controlled engine reduces maintenance effort and aircraft downtime," said Master Sgt. James Cox, 99th Reconnaissance Squadron propulsion element chief. The new engines are in the same "engine family" as those used in F-16s, F-117s and B-1s. U-2S aircraft share about 88 percent of its parts with the standard production engine, making it much easier and cheaper to get replacement parts, said Fred Carmody, Lockheed Advanced Development Co. field operations manager. The new engine and accessories are also about 1,300 pounds lighter than the previous version, allowing the U-2S to fly higher. Beale's U-2 fleet began engine upgrades in 1994. The U-2R flew its last operational sortie from France early last year. The U-2R flew more then 30,000 operational missions. Beale operates U-2s from four operating locations worldwide. (Courtesy of Air Combat Command News Service) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:09:58 -0300 From: Felipe Salles Subject: Re: Spice Up Your Briefing with War Fighter Photos Terry Colvin wrote: > Are you looking for some Warfighter images to spice up your > briefings, > task web pages, or other official documents. > > Try the JCCC (Joint Combat Camera Center) > > http://dodimagery.afis.osd.mil/home.html > > You'll have to apply for a password and their server could be a > little > faster but they have a lot of photos and new ones are added > daily. > > Put a Warfighter in your briefing! Unfortunately, I understand you have to have a .mil access to see these images. It's such a pity! :-( Life's so unfair! Felipe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:04:03 -0600 (CST) From: jetguy1@ix.netcom.com (BRENT CLARK ) Subject: Article on "Secrecy, The Media & F-117A" Thought I would pass on this reference to an article about the various leaks preceding the public release of the F-117A, and how accurate they we're. Interesting read. Article is at: http://www.cdsar.af.mil/apj/cunn.htm ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V7 #11 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "skunk-works-digest-request@netwrx1.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe in the body. 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