From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V7 #39 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 07 : Number 039 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Death of Alan B. Shepard Re: B-2 and Stealth Aircraft Sighting{?} Re: Alan Shepard's death UFO's and Staying on List Topics Re: SR-71 SWDO: Fast Walker... Re: SWDO: Fast Walker... silent aircraft/unexplained booms Re: silent aircraft/unexplained booms [none] Where is he? Re: SR-71 Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 [Fwd: "Flugpionier In China"] Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 msg to Larry Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 [Fwd: IUFO: OFF TOPIC - New Anti-CMOS Virus - Don't Panic!] *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:52:27 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Death of Alan B. Shepard Vaya Con Dios Commander Shepard........ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:08:05 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: B-2 and Stealth Aircraft Sighting{?} At 01:36 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Peter, >Yes, I have seen a triangular UFO - only I now believe that I have >turned >my sighting into an IFO. In August 1991 my ex-wife and I were staying >in >Wells, Nevada (northern part of the state) and were taking our Great >Dane, >Tuxedo (may he rest in peace), for a walk. It was late dusk, and as >we >walked down a little quiet back road, this craft came over with >apparent >slow motion, and absoluteley no noise. It was black, triangular, with > >lights on the underside (I don't recall the configuration now - it >was 7 >years ago!), and about the size of a 4" object held at arms length. >It >rolled a full 360 and then banked right and away. I am disturbed about the passing of Tuxedo in conjunction with this overflight. Should there be a positive correlation, this would foretell an ominous turn of events for our beloved pets. I teared up when I saw the movie "Old Yeller". patrick@e-z.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:36:25 -0700 From: ryankirk@juno.com Subject: Re: Alan Shepard's death One minor correction. Shepard actually died last night, the cause being leukemia. - -Ryan _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:51:35 GMT From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica) Subject: UFO's and Staying on List Topics Hello: I've noticed a recent increase in postings concerning UFO's here on the skunk-works list. As was decided some time ago, this material was not appropriate here. Please in the future kindly try to keep your postings more to the topics of the list in this case high tech aircraft type discussion and such. Thanks for your cooperation, George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 414 541 8579 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 800 816 2568 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com West Allis, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:32:31 EDT From: Xelex@aol.com Subject: Re: SR-71 Art writes (in part): "Should there be no FY99 appropriation, you can expect that unless NASA grabs one of them a move will be made to send 967 and 971 to DM" NASA wont grab the AF Blackbirds. There are no plans for the ones they already have beyond the one flying the LASRE program. The SR-71B is already in storage at NASA Dryden, and there is no funding for the SR-71A beyond FY98. Peter W. Merlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:44:01 +0900 From: "James Matthews" Subject: SWDO: Fast Walker... I have to disagree with this statement: > The "new" stealth as opposed to the "old"? The "old" F-117A is > really a turkey of an aircraft that is very noisy, slow and > clumsy. It has the ability to avoid radar detection the same as > a fiberglass yacht does. It just goes faster than the yacht. Ask > me if I have any respect for that machine. It works well against > any opposing force that has ancient radar technology, or none. The aircraft is not noisy!...'stealth' means it is stealth in all 7 ways. Sight, Radar, Sound, IR, IO, and two other I can't remember :)... Slow? Well...speed isn't everything. It goes fast enough, especially for an aircraft with that shape, with its engine exhaust cooled as much as its is. Clumsy? Of course, never having flown one myself, I can't really comment. But I hear it isn't -- its sensitive, but no clumsy, by any stretch of the imagination. Yacht don't win wars... Baghdad did not have "ancient radar technology"...the F-117s were the only aircraft that could go downtown. I have a helluva lot of respect for those planes and their pilots, who had to trust the stealth one the first night of the Gulf War. Oh wait...and this statement too: > As for "new" stealths. By whom, the same people who gave you the > F-117A? Remember how the public got wind of the latter. It > crashed out in the desert somewhere during test flights in the > late 70s. It has continued to do that ever since. It doesn't > need an enemy to bring it down, it does that quite nicely on its > own. Test flight...yes, TEST. Most aircraft drop outta the sky in the test phase.... The SR-71 had a MASSIVE accident rate in its testing phase..."...The SR-71 has one of the highest crash rates during testing than any other modern plane, with 32 planes being built for testing and 11 written off due to severe accidents...". So for one F-117to go, thats not so bad. And apart from the recent crashes (one and the airshow, and another), F-117 have a good record. Actually, that crash back in the 70's was supposedly due to fatigue, if I remember right...because the pilots all operated at night for months and months at a time to conceal the aircraft, they suffered from great fatigue. Thank you :)... James. ____________________ James Matthews. E-mail (family): matthews@tkb.att.ne.jp E-mail (private): james_matthews@hotmail.com Homepage: http://home.att.ne.jp/gold/tomcat21/index.html ICQ: 7413754 ____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:23:36 -0700 From: ryankirk@juno.com Subject: Re: SWDO: Fast Walker... You know, this kind of stuff really shouldn't be happening. We really shouldn't have to get up and defend our planes every time some idiot comes and posts things to the list. This is a pro-Skunk Works list, what benefit do they think they're getting by attacking the F-117 . . . a lack of respect, is all I can see. And UFO's. Did the Skunk Works ever design any UFO's?A message to everyone considering posting something undeservingly deroggatory towards the Skunk Works, or something relating to UFO's: Don't do it! The owner of the list has made it clear several times that he doesn't want it. And neither do we. The list is about discussing accurate information. If that means bringing up certain perceived faults of the F-117 or any other aircraft, so be it. But no one wants to sit down at their computer expecting to take part in, or at least observe, an engaging and stimulating conversation about aircraft that most of us enjoy discussing, only to find out that that's not what they're getting at all -- instead, it's just one UFO theory after another. And it's not what we bargained for.If you must, go to the AOL X-Files chat room. But keep it off the list.Ryan KirkStratusNine Productions _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Reed Subject: silent aircraft/unexplained booms On the subject of silent aircraft: I went to an airshow a number of years ago where Bob Hoover performed in a small twin. At one point in the show he killed both engines (not just idled) and made a low pass down the runway, probably going around 200 mph. I vaguely recall being surprised at how much noise the aircraft made just going through the air. It seems highly unlikely to me that claims of high-speed, low-level yet silent passes can be founded without ridiculously radical advances in technology. In an unrelated note, I read somewhere that earthquake sensors scattered around Southern CA have detected events that geologists attribute to sonic booms. The event signals are unlike those known to be made by the SR-71 and Space Shuttle operating out of EDW. There have apparently been less than 10 such events over the past 7 or 8 years. I don't remember the details, but the implication was that because the booms all (or mostly) occurred the same time of day on the same day of the week, they were from something man-made. It seems like there are a number of possibilities for explaining these events without conjuring up the existence of a new, high speed, high altitude airplane. A few of these might even be verifiable. Does anyone have any information about these events, or know of any efforts to explain them? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:09:51 -0700 From: Larry Smith Subject: Re: silent aircraft/unexplained booms Evan Reed writes: >On the subject of silent aircraft: > >I went to an airshow a number of years ago where Bob Hoover performed in a >small twin. Yes, Bob's famous performances in a North American Rockwell Shrike Commander. >In an unrelated note, I read somewhere that earthquake sensors scattered >around Southern CA have detected events that geologists attribute to sonic >booms. The event signals are unlike those known to be made by the SR-71 >and Space Shuttle operating out of EDW. There have apparently been less >than 10 such events over the past 7 or 8 years. I don't remember the >details, but the implication was that because the booms all (or mostly) >occurred the same time of day on the same day of the week, they were from >something man-made. It seems like there are a number of possibilities for >explaining these events without conjuring up the existence of a new, high >speed, high altitude airplane. A few of these might even be verifiable. >Does anyone have any information about these events, or know of any >efforts to explain them? Yes. There were efforts, some evaporated, some didn't. One of the goals of scientifically oriented researchers, has been to try and get a coalesced (traditional far field) N-wave from the USGS data, on the So. Ca booms. The N-wave could possibly then be compared to existing coalesced N-wave data for known aircraft. There is also a rich theory on N-waves, which could possibly give some additional information about the aircraft producing the N-wave. This approach is probably the best approach to MAYBE prove something. I know of no results of such an analysis however. Initially, news reports at the time stated that the unknown aircraft was headed Northeast towards Nevada from So. CA. But I saw the data, and as I recall, that could not be derived from the data, as presented to me. Recently, on a Discovery Channel program on black aircraft projects, Jim Mori of the USGS, who originally reported these events, stated that the aircraft was actually off the coast. He did not explain the reasoning behind this statement however. Soon after the first few incidents that were published, the USAF had MIT Lincoln Labs do an analysis of the boom incidents (and I assume the USGS data). I have not seen the MIT analysis, but the USAF announced that the conclusion was that the booms were caused by an F-14. But, if I recall correctly, the MIT study didn't study all incidents. There was a TV program planned about the scientific analysis of these booms, that had contacted a well known west coast university, professor on aeroacoustics. The goal of this program was to get the professor to attempt to extract an N-wave out of the USGS data. I don't know if this has been done. Jim Mori of the USGS would definitely be a person to contact if you're interested. And to end with wild speculation, possibly another use for an F-111! Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 19:30:26 -500 From: "Michael Moore (LG_Rollz)" Subject: [none] lmoore@hsonline.net *************************** From the office of the Executive Officer Alliance Wing Modified Frigate BLUESHARK. *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:20:46 -0500 From: Jaime Viehweg Subject: Where is he? Sorry for the off topicish message... I have been trying to get in contact with Andreas Gehrs-Pahl recently and have had no luck. No giant, detail rich messages here for quite some time also. Has anyone heard from him? My mail doesn' bounce... Thanks. jaime - -- jviehweg | I read recently that human beings use only 15% @ Jaime Viehweg | of their brains capacity. Makes you wonder ahhgo.com | what they do with the other 75%. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 02:06:50 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: SR-71 On 7/22/98 7:32PM, in message <7c719da.35b6a0c0@aol.com>, Xelex@aol.com wrote: > Art writes (in part): "Should there be no FY99 appropriation, you can expect > > that unless NASA grabs one of them a move will be made to send 967 and 971 to > DM" > > NASA wont grab the AF Blackbirds. There are no plans for the ones they > already have beyond the one flying the LASRE program. The SR-71B is already > in storage at NASA Dryden, and there is no funding for the SR-71A beyond FY98. > > Peter W. Merlin > This would be sad if it were true. Fortunately, it isn't. On July 1, NASA formally requested Two more SR-71s, with the stipulation that At Least one of them be flyable (both 967 and 971 are as of this moment, but USAF is trying to change that). The B was stood down for its scheduled Phase inspection which, with demand down due to AF being out of the picture and the A being in use lowered the need for proficiency flights, was scheduled to take months. The Phase was interrupted for a time because viewing the B was in enormous demand on NASA's tours and there wasn't any pressure on. With LASRE work slowing down, there will be need for it again, so it's going back in Phase, should be done in 6-8 weeks. It was never in storage. When I did my story on the SR last year, I was told that they were concerned about FY98. They had their eye on plenty of work starting in FY99-2000, but were concerned whether they'd have the money to get from FY97 to FY99. They did it. They have work for the birds. This must have the bozos who put the SR down gnashing their teeth. As long as NASA is using it, there's a chance the plane could still be brought back (although small if ther's no FY99 money for AF operations). Unless Congress specifically forbids it, I suspect that AF will try and destroy the sensors in order to eliminate the SR's recon capability and hence its reason to come back. Still time to write Congress. Art ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:23:02 GMT From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica) Subject: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 Hello: I'm just recalling in my memory here and could use some help from others that may (mostly likely) know (alot) more than I do about the SR-71. First simple question: NOT INCLUDING some "unknown" aircraft (i.e. Aurora or some such) currently is the SR-71 the fastest and highest flying NON-ROCKET powered vehicle we have either US or foreign and IF NOT what is? Second: Can anyone give me or point me at the actual numbers (i.e. speed/altitude) that it has attained? Thanks alot for some simple stuff, I must be getting old cause I simply can't remember...LOL George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 414 541 8579 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 800 816 2568 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com West Allis, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 05:56:44 GMT From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica) Subject: Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:49:23 -0700, you wrote: >At 02:23 AM 7/24/98 GMT, George wrote: >> >>First simple question: NOT INCLUDING some "unknown" aircraft (i.e. >>Aurora or some such) currently is the SR-71 the fastest and highest >>flying NON-ROCKET powered vehicle we have either US or foreign and IF >>NOT what is? >> >>Second: Can anyone give me or point me at the actual numbers (i.e. >>speed/altitude) that it has attained? >> > > >George, if we told you then we would have to kill you. And then who would >take care of our newslist? LOL...Thnks alot Patrick....I knew there was a reason I took this job...I don't have enough abuse in my life....LOL. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 414 541 8579 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 800 816 2568 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com West Allis, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 - ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- >From skaltsid Thu Jul 23 23:51:27 1998 To: georgek@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: Qg9oR1LZSTV1nYlyqO06Lw== Content-Length: 1451 Status: RO > I'm just recalling in my memory here and could use some help from > others that may (mostly likely) know (alot) more than I do about the > SR-71. > > First simple question: NOT INCLUDING some "unknown" aircraft (i.e. > Aurora or some such) currently is the SR-71 the fastest and highest > flying NON-ROCKET powered vehicle we have either US or foreign and IF > NOT what is? I believe the SR-71 currently holds the world altitude and speed records. > Second: Can anyone give me or point me at the actual numbers (i.e. > speed/altitude) that it has attained? according to: http://www.thepoint.net/~jstone/bbirdm&f.html and http://stega.smoky.org/~dlevin/lockheed.html#sr71 and Wings on the Discovery Channel World altitude record: 80,257.86ft. (24,462.596m, FL800) Cruise ceiling: 100,000ft. (30,500m, FL1000) World speed record: 2070.545mph (3331.507km/h, Mach ~3.3, 1798.869kts) Max. Speed: 2100.683mph (3380km/h, Mach ~3.3, 1825.053kts) As far as I can remember these numbers are almost identical to those officially released to the public, by the USAF and pentagon sources. > Thanks alot for some simple stuff, I must be getting old cause I > simply can't remember...LOL > > George > > ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 414 541 8579 > Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 800 816 2568 FAX > http://www.netwrx1.com West Allis, WI USA > georgek@netwrx1.com > Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works > Sam - ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- I goofed. It should be closer to Mach 3.2 - 3.3 not Mach ~3.5. Depending on altitude, and atmospheric conditions (temperature and presure). Please correct me if I'm wrong or if you have additional information. Thanks, Sam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:29:24 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: [Fwd: "Flugpionier In China"] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------FBB86FBA32525C3ED1E33B8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - -- MZ - --------------FBB86FBA32525C3ED1E33B8A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15140 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:21:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20474 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:21:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from Lists.NoPostage.com(204.178.64.146) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd020450; Fri Jul 24 10:21:46 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26057 for tlc-brotherhood-list; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:16:07 -0400 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26053 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:16:06 -0400 From: AirAmBrat@aol.com Received: from AirAmBrat@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FQAPa17153 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:02:57 EDT To: TLC-Brotherhood@NoPostage.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: "Flugpionier In China" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 Sender: owner-tlc-brotherhood@NoPostage.com Precedence: bulk Greetings All, For those of you that are avid aviation fans and collectors of books on the history of aviation I wanted to let you know that Max Springweiler's book "Flugpionier In China" has just been translated from German to English. A limited printing of 1000 copies, sponsored in part by Air America and CAT, will be available for shipment by mid September on a first come, first served, basis. Dr. Larry Sall, University of Texas/Dallas Special Collections Department, which houses the Air America and CAT archives, translated the 300+ pages of text for this project. In the early '30s many in China came to know an olive drab C-47 which was brightened by the flaming cross logo of the Luthern World Mission - it's name was "Saint Paul". A radio telegrapher's key on an arm of the right seat belonged to the copilot/radio operator/flight engineer/load master/mechanic. This crewman with five hats was Max Springweiler. Max became a legendary "Old China Hand" and was known and respected everywhere in China and Southeast Asia. Before the "big war" he had been a flight engineer for Eurasia, the Chinese subsidiary of Lufthansa. A gracious and modest man, few who were with him at the time of the "Saint Paul" missionary flights from 1931-1949 knew that he had been decorated with China's Order in Silver for his exploits in the Sino Japanese war. When the missionary flights ended in late 1949 the crew received the "Saint Paul" in lieu of a salary. Some months later the Korean war began and CAT (the airline originated by General Chennault) found itself under the aegis of the USAF 315th Combat Cargo Squadron. Short of planes, CAT leased the "Saint Paul" and offered jobs to the owners. Max became CAT's manager of long-range charters. Intended to be a legacy for his daughters and grandchildren, Max completed his autobiography shortly before his death. A publisher snapped it up, titled it "Max Springweiler: Pioneer Aviator in China", and distributed it throughout Germany. This book, along with others, pinpoints CAT's unique place in the continuing drama of aviation history and should be a nice addition to any collector's library. The books are $30 each (includes shipping and handling) and the best part is that $25 of that is tax deductable since the proceeds are all going to the AAM/CAT Archives Endowment at the University of Texas/Dallas History of Aviation Collection. All the production costs for the book are being covered by Max Springweiler's daughters and friends. I will be placing an advance order for the books on 8/1/98. If anyone would like to purchase a copy please contact me asap. All the best! Leigh Coleman Hotujec AKA - The Air America Brat SEA 62-74 AirAmBrat's Home Page - A Tribute - --------------FBB86FBA32525C3ED1E33B8A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Terry W. Colvin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Terry W. Colvin n: Colvin;Terry W. org: Camp Samae San/Phu Mu Signal Site adr: 300 Highland Dr.;;;Sierra Vista;Arizona;85635;USA email;internet: fortean@primenet.com title: USARSUPTHAI/STRATCOM - Thailand [1973-1974) note: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 x-mozilla-cpt: ;-1 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------FBB86FBA32525C3ED1E33B8A-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Sam Kaltsidis wrote: > > World altitude record: 80,257.86ft. (24,462.596m, FL800) > Cruise ceiling: 100,000ft. (30,500m, FL1000) > How do you define world altitude record and cruise ceiling? Just wondering why the cruise ceiling is higher than world altitude record. May the Force be with you Wei-Jen Su E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu "No matter where you go, there you are." U.S.S. Excelsior NCC-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:50:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: msg to Larry Sorry to bother the list, I lost the e-mail of Larry. Hey Larry, what do you want to ask James Mori to again? I lost your previous post (love to delete e-mails really fast :) ). Because he is here at Caltech, his e-mail address is: mori@gps.caltech.edu If you want, you can ask him by sending the question by e-mail or you want me to ask him personally, I can do it. I saw him only one time. May the Force be with you Wei-Jen Su E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu "No matter where you go, there you are." U.S.S. Excelsior NCC-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: Re: Simple Answer to Simple question Needed RE: SR-71 > > World altitude record: 80,257.86ft. (24,462.596m, FL800) > > Cruise ceiling: 100,000ft. (30,500m, FL1000) > > > > How do you define world altitude record and cruise ceiling? Just > wondering why the cruise ceiling is higher than world altitude record. > The "official" world altitude record (held by the SR-71) is 80,258ft. The SR-71 flies higher than that but the USAF has not reported the aircraft's maximum ceiling because (if I recall correctly) it is still classified. > May the Force be with you > > Wei-Jen Su > E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu > > "No matter where you go, there you are." > U.S.S. Excelsior NCC-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:46:04 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: [Fwd: IUFO: OFF TOPIC - New Anti-CMOS Virus - Don't Panic!] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A778EEC733584D2222748748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------A778EEC733584D2222748748 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21002 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:55:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04352 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:55:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from europe.std.com(199.172.62.20) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd004316; Fri Jul 24 22:55:43 1998 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA23389; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA23378; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westbyserver.westby.mwt.net by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA25675; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:44:23 -0400 Received: from ppp21.blueriver.mwt.net (ppp21.blueriver.mwt.net [156.46.253.148]) by westbyserver.westby.mwt.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA08044; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:43:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ppp21.blueriver.mwt.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BDB765.A867D980@ppp21.blueriver.mwt.net>; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:46:28 -0500 Message-Id: <01BDB765.A867D980@ppp21.blueriver.mwt.net> From: Brian Zinkle To: "'Anomalous Images'" , "'IUFO'" Cc: "'mrufomn@aztec.asu.edu'" Subject: IUFO: OFF TOPIC - New Anti-CMOS Virus - Don't Panic! Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:46:18 -0500 Sender: iufo-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: iufo@world.std.com - -> IUFO Mailing List Friends, With some effort, I was able to confirm some information that I had received about a new, fast spreading, hard to detect, very dangerous virus called W32-CIH (aliases: Win95/CIH, PE_CIH, CIHV) which effects Windows 95 and Windows 98 systems (but allegedly not Windows NT). This virus is very unpleasant in what it does, which is why I am taking the time to send out this personal warning. The intention of this virus is to overwrite hard drive data (corrupting files) and it can also erase a computer's Flash Bios. The latter condition is in some ways far more serious, the worst case being a trip back to the factory for restoration, the best case involving quite a bit of personal effort to restore the bios. Systems without a Flash Bios will not have their Bios effected, but can still have files destroyed by this virus. While most computers will not be infected with this virus, everyone's anti-virus software should be updated with the latest data files in order to be able to detect it. Even if one does not have this virus, it is important to update these files to prevent infections by future viruses. Here are some official sources of information on this specific virus: http://www.drsolomon.com/vircen/valerts/win32cih.html http://beta.mcafee.com/PUBLIC/Stand_Alone/ http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/cih.htm If you use McAfee Antivirus (from Network Associates), you should all update your ViruScan with the latest DAT file (version 3107a). Use this URL for information on doing so: http://www.mcafee.com/download/dats/3x.asp If you use Norton Antivirus (from Symantec), use this URL for information on updating: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download.html If you use IBM Antivirus, use this URL for information on updating: http://www.av.ibm.com/current/FrontPage/ If you use Dr Solomon's Anti-Virus, use this URL for information on updating: http://www.drsolomon.com/ If you use F-Prot or F-Secure Anti-Virus (from Data Fellows) use this URL: http://www.datafellows.com/ If you use another antivirus program, please go to that company's webpage for information on available updates. If necessary, this URL should help you locate that company: http://www.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Computers/Software/S ystem_Utilities/Utilities/Virus_Protection/ If this page does not contain your company, use any search engine you like and search for the company's name or call the technical support number included with your product. If the W32-CIH virus is detected (or some other), you should work with a computer professional and/or antivirus company to absolutely determine that this virus is on your system. It is possible to have a false positive with anti-virus software. Please Note: Improper use of some virus removal utilities for W32-CIH could have unpleasant consequences, so do not use them unnecessarily. If this virus is detected on your system, but you are unable to absolutely confirm this, I would recommend verifying that your system is set to the correct time and date and then be sure that the computer is turned off ALL of EVERY 26th day of EACH month until the situation is resolved. If some other virus is detected, this temporary remedy would not apply. Unfortunately, as I have provided all the information I have on this topic, I really can't assist anyone further in detecting or removing this virus. I apologize that I do not have the facilities to offer additional help, but it would not be beneficial to contact me with additional questions or for additional advice. A computer technician or anti-virus vendor would be much more helpful. I hope that I am not scaring people unnecessarily, and I hope the resources recommended are helpful even to the majority which will not be infected by this virus. Sincerely, Brian Zinkle - -> Send "subscribe iufo " to majordomo@world.std.com - -> Posted by: Brian Zinkle - --------------A778EEC733584D2222748748 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Terry W. Colvin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Terry W. 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