From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V7 #42 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Tuesday, August 4 1998 Volume 07 : Number 042 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft [Fwd: [UASR]> [Fwd: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft]] [Fwd: SR-71] Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments Re: F117 on static display... This and that Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft Re: This and that Re: Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft Re: This and that [Fwd: SR-71] *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:02:35 -0500 From: "Tom C Robison" Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft Terry Colvin sent: Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D. More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft "...the new Lockheed-Martin space shuttle [National Space Plane] and the B-2 [Stealth bomber] both have electro-gravitic systems on board;" and that...the B-2 can switch to antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world without refueling. ...that the F-117A _also_ has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies, utilizing conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range," and etc. Is this a belated April Fool's joke, or a head start on next year? =================== and Ryan Kirk wrote: "Maybe they weren't refueling the F-117. Maybe they were just hooking it up to one of those super-secret electricity machines." Or recharging the flux capacitor, perhaps? Was there a wild-eyed white-haired old man in a white smock nearby, and a kid on a skateboard? ================== and Patrick Cullumber wrote: "Either I was viewing a non Warp engined version or they had a secret panel which opens up somewhere in the cockpit revealing the controls to the Warp drives." Perhaps it is a thought-control device, a'la the Firefox! _________________________________________________ Tom Robison tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:18:19 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: [Fwd: [UASR]> [Fwd: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------232C3F627671A8CEE7238E77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) - --------------232C3F627671A8CEE7238E77 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06990 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:50:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17124 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:50:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from lion.esosoft.net(207.153.254.66) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd017084; Mon Aug 3 05:50:11 1998 Received: from butterfly.esosoft.net (butter@butterfly.esosoft.net [192.41.17.58]) by lion.esosoft.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14957; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (butter@localhost) by butterfly.esosoft.net (8.8.5) id GAA23019; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:48:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by butterfly.esosoft.net (bulk_mailer v1.9); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:48:38 -0600 Received: (butter@localhost) by butterfly.esosoft.net (8.8.5) id GAA22998; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:48:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop3.gmx.net (qmailr@pop3.gmx.net [194.97.64.135]) by butterfly.esosoft.net (8.8.5) id GAA22980; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25350 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 12:48:36 -0000 Received: from host158.regiolicht.nl (HELO unknown) (195.212.41.158) by pop3.gmx.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 12:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <013501bdbedd$1f743040$9e29d4c3@unknown> From: "[UASR]> Perry van den Brink" To: Subject: Re: [UASR]> [Fwd: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft] Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:49:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-uasr@MyList.net Reply-To: UASR@MyList.net ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ [U A S R]> UFO's-, ALIEN's-, SPACE- RESEARCH MAILING LIST <[U A S R] ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Posted by : "[UASR]> Perry van den Brink" Dave Pigott wrote: At 9:32 am +0100 1/8/98, Terry W. Colvin wrote: > >Dr. Boylan, > > > >This fellow would like CV on your doctorate. Can you provide? > > > >Terry >Terry, > >Richard Boylan's PhD is in Psychotherapy, but he was struck off some time >ago for activities incompatible with his professional position (there is a >web page with the judgement and detail of the offenses somewhere, but I >don't have it to hand at the moment.) > >Dave Hello Terry, Dave and all, To read about Boylan go to UFOMIND at : http://www.ufomind.com/people/b/boylan/ and http://www.ufomind.com/people/b/boylan/dispatch/ Happy reading :-) Perry van den Brink, owner UASR. Posted by : "[UASR]> Perry van den Brink" ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ^ Send " subscribe " into the BODY to: UASR-request@MyList.net ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ^ UASR on the WWW : http://www.geocities.com/~phenomena-x ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ - --------------232C3F627671A8CEE7238E77-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:58:34 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: [Fwd: SR-71] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------776AFD2F535B89F1002BCC44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) - --------------776AFD2F535B89F1002BCC44 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="nsmail1K.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail1K.TMP" Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24056 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22436 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from Lists.NoPostage.com(204.178.64.146) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd022428; Sun Aug 2 15:43:21 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA28040 for tlc-brotherhood-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:38:34 -0400 Received: from mail.lig.bellsouth.net (mail.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.50]) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28036 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:38:32 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME ([209.215.17.37]) by mail.lig.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22514 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C504EE.228D@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:31:42 -0700 From: Rodney Keith Bell Reply-To: baht@bellsouth.net Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TLC-Brotherhood@NoPostage.com Subject: SR-71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tlc-brotherhood@NoPostage.com Precedence: bulk Gang, While at Sheppard in 71 there was an SR-71 that came in and was parked way out away from the hanger. It was roped off and had SP's all around it. I was just curious why an aircraft such as this would be at a Training base. I just got off the phone with Don in Texas and we were talking about the SR-71's, and was telling him about some of the stories you posted on it. I was especially interested in the speed. I've always wondered about that. Don was telling me while at Sheppard as an instructor he had the chance to see the flight logs and 781A's on a blackbird that came in. It came in from Andrews AFB. Here's the mind blower. Flight time from Andrews to Sheppard was wheeww, 45 minutes. Boy that motor scooter was humming. I thought that was very interesting. Rodney - --------------776AFD2F535B89F1002BCC44-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:58:25 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 19:24:49 +0200 From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. To: UpDates - Toronto Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments > That's how you go from flap to flop. > This is science. > Please add this to any future synopsis you make on the Belgium > UFO flap. > > Serge Salvaille Serge, I'm glad someone brought this up. To be honest it's quite amusing to hear all the American specialists on the Belgian flap. See, I used to live in the most southern part of Holland VERY close to Belgium at the time of the flap,and me and my family had several sightings ourselves. Now I know that no one's going to say: "Oh well, if you say so and saw it..." right now ;-) But I strongly doubt these things were made by one of our own. I suspect this for following reasons: First of all the absence of any sound. Then there is the capabilty of these objects to stand still in mid air, rotate around its own axis and accelerate to enormous speed at once, from a stationary position. One of the eye-witnesses there with us, is the Head of the Eurocontrol Educational Centre, the european Air Traffic Control. We were (and still _are_) absolutely certain that whatever those things were, there weren't ours. But there's another thing that bothers me in the Secret Aircraft Hypothesis: These objects were seen over Belgium and a few over the south of Holland. If those things were secret aircraft then why would they test-fly 'em over one of the most crowded places in Europe? We also must assume they were from the Belgian Air Force, and that also strikes me as somewhat ridiculous, with what budget would they do that? If these things were from NATO or even the USAF why in the world would Belgium spend hundred of thousands of dollars to try and intercept these things with F-16s? Or does anyone honestly think they wouldn't be briefed by NATO or the USAF? I'm not saying that _all_ triangle sightings are therefore 'unknowns'. But the idea that _all_ FTs are man-made doesn't really hold up neither. Remember, there are triangle-sightings (and photos) from as far back as 1966. And these FTs were spotted above the USSR? Also Stealth-technology? That doesn't go for me, sorry people! Andy Denne (A.U.R.A) - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:02:32 -0700 From: "Corey Lawson" Subject: Re: F117 on static display... >This brings up an interesting question. Has anyone ever seen an F-117 on >static display? I believe that the F-117 is still highly classified as Yes, Abbotsford Air Show in '91 or '92, Miramar MCAS air show last year. And, yes, they have the "double ring" security... two layers of rope barriers with security patrol in the middle. Now, does anyone know what the B-2 like, unpainted fiberglass molding is up at the March AFB Museum? When I saw it, it was outside on the south side of the building... >far as the public being able to "inspect" it. Last year I took a tour of >the Skunk Works on the day of the air show at Edwards, and they were >fueling the F-117 to fly in the show at Palmdale airport on the Air >Force's property. As soon as our big white van got in the vicinity of >the plane they immediately closed the gates to the area the F-117 was >inside and sent out guards and patrol cars to keep us away. And the >F-117 was not even on display at the show, even though the B-2 was (with >several guards with M-16's around it). I think the F-117 is a lot more >classified than people think. Yes. They probably don't want anyone touching the plane. All those finger prints on matte black finish would be hard to get rid of. Yeah...That's the ticket. >Maybe they weren't refueling the F-117. Maybe they were just hooking it >up to one of those super-secret electricity machines. >Ryan Kirk >StratusNine Productions - ----------------------- Corey Lawson clawson@ucsd.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lednicer Subject: This and that In regard to the SR-71/YF-12/A-12's top speed, a friend inside the SW tells me that the world's fastest air breathing man is Darryl Greenamyer, who did M=3.6 on a test flight. The fastest air breathing woman is Marta Bohn-Meyer, who flies back seat in the NASA SR-71s. I don't know what her personal fastest is, but it can't be much more than M=3.2. Yes, JSF is on the floor at the SW, but so is Darkstar and JASSM. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- David Lednicer | "Applied Computational Fluid Dynamics" Analytical Methods, Inc. | email: dave@amiwest.com 2133 152nd Ave NE | tel: (425) 643-9090 Redmond, WA 98052 USA | fax: (425) 746-1299 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: dadams@netcom.com Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft > Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D. > after taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to > antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world > without refueling. > > I have also heard, and deduced for myself after inspecting a > Stealth F-117A fighter at Beale Air Force Base, that the F-117A > _also_ has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies, utilizing > conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but > switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range, for > lightning-fast maneuverability, and for shrouding the airframe > in invisibility (by having its local counter-gravity field bend > light around the airframe). Yeech... why must you keep insulting the members of this list with these ridiculous examples of the extreme ignorance and wide-eyed imaginations of UFO religious cult members? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:18:09 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft Dean, These were forwarded along with the others from the TLCB list as fillers. No insult intended. There are a few nuggets of good information from the TLCB posters; the Dr. Boylan posts are another matter. FYI, some members of the UFO lists are neither ignorant nor cult members. The "wide-eyed imagination" implies all of these folks are not skeptical. The truly cult and New Age posters are taken to task by the more academic list members. Why stereotype when life has no absolutes? Terry dadams@netcom.com wrote: > > > Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D. > > after taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to > > antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world > > without refueling. > > > > I have also heard, and deduced for myself after inspecting a > > Stealth F-117A fighter at Beale Air Force Base, that the F-117A > > _also_ has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies, utilizing > > conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but > > switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range, for > > lightning-fast maneuverability, and for shrouding the airframe > > in invisibility (by having its local counter-gravity field bend > > light around the airframe). > > Yeech... why must you keep insulting the members of this list with > these ridiculous examples of the extreme ignorance and wide-eyed > imaginations of UFO religious cult members? - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 15:38:23 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft The list has been awfully slow lately, and these are kinda amusing.... Greg W. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft Author: "Terry W. Colvin" at INTERNET Date: 8/3/98 12:18 PM Dean, These were forwarded along with the others from the TLCB list as fillers. No insult intended. There are a few nuggets of good information from the TLCB posters; the Dr. Boylan posts are another matter. FYI, some members of the UFO lists are neither ignorant nor cult members. The "wide-eyed imagination" implies all of these folks are not skeptical. The truly cult and New Age posters are taken to task by the more academic list members. Why stereotype when life has no absolutes? Terry dadams@netcom.com wrote: > > > Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D. > > after taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to > > antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world > > without refueling. > > > > I have also heard, and deduced for myself after inspecting a > > Stealth F-117A fighter at Beale Air Force Base, that the F-117A > > _also_ has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies, utilizing > > conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but > > switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range, for > > lightning-fast maneuverability, and for shrouding the airframe > > in invisibility (by having its local counter-gravity field bend > > light around the airframe). > > Yeech... why must you keep insulting the members of this list with > these ridiculous examples of the extreme ignorance and wide-eyed > imaginations of UFO religious cult members? - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:41:52 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: This and that At 09:42 AM 8/3/98 -0700, David Lednicer wrote: > > In regard to the SR-71/YF-12/A-12's top speed, a friend inside the >SW tells me that the world's fastest air breathing man is Darryl >Greenamyer, who did M=3.6 on a test flight. What ever became of Greenamyer and his F-104??? patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:21:51 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft At 03:38 PM 8/3/98 -0500, gregweigold@pmsc.com wrote: > > The list has been awfully slow lately, and these are kinda amusing.... > > Greg W. > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ A stealth pilot told me he flew an F-117 to an air show in England and while on static display there a man came up and asked him if this was the plane that came out of the mothership. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 03:42:47 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: This and that On 8/3/98 12:41PM, in message <3.0.1.32.19980803124152.0074db24@e-z.net>, patrick wrote: > At 09:42 AM 8/3/98 -0700, David Lednicer wrote: > >. > > What ever became of Greenamyer and his F-104??? > > patrick > If I remember, he built it, was flying it but had gear problems returning from one of his flights so had to eject. Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:25:42 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: [Fwd: SR-71] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------622B03E1D80819C572DC8A16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) - --------------622B03E1D80819C572DC8A16 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14856 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 05:43:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07059 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 05:43:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from Lists.NoPostage.com(204.178.64.146) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd007019; Tue Aug 4 05:42:58 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA03956 for tlc-brotherhood-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:51:27 -0400 Received: from ns1.eds.com (ns1.eds.com [192.85.154.78]) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03952 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:51:24 -0400 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa.eds.com [192.85.154.30] (may be forged)) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10198 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.itp.eds.com ([204.104.64.16]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08984 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by edsitp_exch1.itp.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:39:34 -0400 Message-ID: <0B12E65D1FEBCF11B65C00A02461DF1302DB1250@edsitp_exch1.itp.eds.com> From: "Cook, Howard" To: "'TLC List'" Subject: SR-71 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:39:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-tlc-brotherhood@NoPostage.com Precedence: bulk Gaggle When I was at Kadena my next door neighbor was a crewchief on the "Habu" (that is what it was called on Okinawa). Another friend worked the A/R shop on it. I got to go over to the Habu Hangar twice as a "family member". Way Cool! The nose can be changed for a particular mission, i.e., camera or radar (that's all they would admit). The mission equipment bays are along both sides of the foreward fuselage, hinged compartments swing down for different mission packages. Behind the GIB was another equipment bay for the "Group". The Group was a navigation package which included a telescope. It would align with celestial objects prior to launch. The aircrew wore silver pressure suits and wore Astronaut wings. The engines were always under guard as they contained precious metals. The flight controls had many cable systems within systems. The wheels were indeed "aluminized" or silvery in color. It was a bitch to change the center wheel on the main gear. It leaked (showered actually) when on the ground, until the airframe and fuel system warmed up, they always had to wash out the hangars after launch. One time the Habu's were sent to our side of the field after some guys tried to sneak into the Habu area. One of them was in our hangar and we didn't have enough drip pans. The people assigned to the SR at Kadena wore a hat with "3+" on it. Implying it went at least Mach 3. They never confirmed the altitude. The speed of sound is 758 MPH @ 68 degrees F (at sea level). The Concorde can cruise at Mach 2 (1336 MPH @ 55,000 ft.) Mach number depends upon temperature and therefore altitude. Looking at the design of the SR, apparently the fuselage and the engine nacelles do not conform with the "area rule principle" or the wasp waist fuselage (F-105, F-106, F-4, T-38. etc.) The area-rule and swept back wings were designed to allow the Acft to go further into the transonic airspeeds while delaying the onset of the supersonic shock wave. The SR shape isn't designed to cope with the shock wave (of Mach 3 or 4) in the lower atmosphere. The skin surface temperature of the Concorde at cruise should be around 250 degrees F. If the SR could be cruising in excess of 100,000 ft at Mach 3 (Mach at 100,000 is about 650 MPH) or about 1950 MPH and experience a surface skin temp of about 600 degrees. Mach 4 at 100,000 ft would be about 2600 MPH with a surface skin temp in excess of 800 degrees F. Mach 4 would imply to me that they were flying above 150,000 ft. Slowing down for refueling, landing, etc., would allow the airframe to cool off sufficiently for us crewchiefs to touch it. Of course the less atmosphere, the less surface skin temperature. The power units to start that monster were two big V-8 engines (500 plus cubic inches) in a power cart arrangement. I can't remember if was electrical or air, but I believe they would drive an electrical generator. The cameras and the film was still classified, although we were allowed into the PIF (film processing) to see some samples. Really good stuff, could be blown up almost infinitely. The cameras were massive, especially the film containers. The pilots carried that food in the tube. David The Regular Crewchief It's good to be shifty in a new country. - --------------622B03E1D80819C572DC8A16-- ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V7 #42 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe in the body. Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent to georgek@netwrx1.com. 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