From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V7 #43 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Wednesday, August 5 1998 Volume 07 : Number 043 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** [Fwd: [Fwd: Simple Answer/Question SR-71 & F-18]] SR-71 in Thailand [Fwd: SR-71 over North Korea] AvLeak Greenamyer Clues Re: Greenamyer F-16 v. F-18 Clues, clues, and more clues F-117 technical improvements Re: Geenamayer F-104 Testing Reply Fix Pond Racer Re: Greenamyer ERAST on TV tonight Kee Bird Re: Kee Bird Testing clipped from the Drudge Report of all places *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:28:48 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Simple Answer/Question SR-71 & F-18]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------7BCE5717894D3AF2956B4C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) - --------------7BCE5717894D3AF2956B4C70 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08100 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:27:59 -0700 (MST) From: Camraw48@aol.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18070 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:27:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com(198.81.17.71) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd018053; Tue Aug 4 06:27:55 1998 Received: from Camraw48@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7QWTa04231; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:27:50 EDT To: clummer@webtv.net, fortean@primenet.com Cc: TLC-Brotherhood@NoPostage.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Simple Answer/Question SR-71 & F-18] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Welll guys another story SR-71.After Udorn I was assigned to Yokota,Japan 67th Recc Tecc Sq.where I worked with film from SR-71,s and U-2,s.I was the only one cleared for the work which made for some long days sometimes. It was at Yokota that I worked with the Recon.film for the Son Tay raid.Very in interesting story.Opps got off track!! Actually the most interesting story of SR-71,s was at Hickam in 1971.I was given some film to enlarge an airfield of Russia. The airfied was 3/4 in.on the film and I enlarged an aircraft on the field so it had a wing span off 5inches.Now mind you this was 1971.do the math.When I saw the gulf Recon.I wandered why they were not classifed higher.You see when I worked with with SR-71I got my film from a vault and no one could come into the dark room while I was working. Ed Wright 432 Recc. Tech Sq.Udorn 69-70 P.S.You could see the the horizion of the earth on this film. - --------------7BCE5717894D3AF2956B4C70-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:27:16 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: SR-71 in Thailand June of 70 we had a SR-71 come in on an in-flight emergency to U-Tapao....for what reason, i'm not sure...he was on the ground for about a week over in the U-2 ( I Spy) area....in fact they parked it inside the only nose dock we had.....super tight security.....they flew in a maint. team from kadena...taxied the special KC-135 right up to the dock and unloaded their toys....the only thing we at U-T were able to supply were a set of wheel chocks, a B-4 and B-5 stands.....when these people left they stenciled 'HABU APPROVED" on the items they used....even the dock doors. Joe Provost BUFF Crew Chief U-T 69-70 - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:10:01 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: [Fwd: SR-71 over North Korea] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------FFEB12D19305B13B8710440D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) - --------------FFEB12D19305B13B8710440D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13711 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:27:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17582 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:27:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from Lists.NoPostage.com(204.178.64.146) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd017565; Tue Aug 4 12:27:35 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05332 for tlc-brotherhood-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:04:12 -0400 Received: from bdcnt.brooksdata.net (bdcnt.brooksdata.net [207.18.67.130]) by Lists.NoPostage.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05328 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:04:09 -0400 Received: from default ([207.18.67.164]) by bdcnt.brooksdata.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA279 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:53:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Dan Decker" From: "Dan Decker" To: "TLC Brotherhood" Subject: Re: SR-71 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:50:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01bdbfd8$bca65360$a44312cf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-tlc-brotherhood@NoPostage.com Precedence: bulk Guys, The first SR-71 I ever saw in the flesh so to speak was on my leave from Udorn to the U.S. at mid-tour. I caught a hop on a Young Tiger out of Utapao. When we landed at Kadena, they opened the big cargo door as we were taxiing to the parking spot. Looking out I saw this absolutely amazing aircraft, or rocket ship, or UFO. All I could do was stare at it. Later, in 1980, I was stationed at Osan AB, Korea, working as night shift maintenance supervisor for the 51st CompWing. We received orders to load EVERY F-4E we had on base to the max. I'd never seen such a weapons configuration before, but I was no expert. Seems that the North Koreans had fired on the SR on approach to Okinawa and actually come fairly close to hitting it. It "rattled the GIB" was the way it was explained to us. Reagan told them in no uncertain terms that if they fired on it again, the firing location would become a smoking hole! Ergo, we loaded up our Phantoms for North Korean bear. Reagan supposedly even told them when it would be coming across, daring them to fire on it, knowing they couldn't hit it. We had even loaded one of our birds which had WRCS and FCS problems. It was incapable of delivering weapons to a target. They had more pilots than planes and there were several pilots who volunteered to fly the "decoy." The North Koreans aren't stupid; they didn't fire on the SR again. Dan Decker 432 AMS, Udorn, 1970 - --------------FFEB12D19305B13B8710440D-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: AvLeak This week AW&ST (Aug. 3,1998), there are a couple of very nice articles about 21th Century Fighters. May the Force be with you Wei-Jen Su E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu Self-realization. The immortal words of Socrates, when he said "I drank what?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lednicer Subject: Greenamyer > What ever became of Greenamyer and his F-104??? Darryl tried to set the FAI 3/5 Km speed record with the ship in 1976, but one of the timing cameras didn't work. He went back in 1977 and set the record of 988.26 mph, which still stands. Next, he was going to try and get the altitude record. Returning from a test flight in early 1978, he couldn't get the right hand gear locked. All attempts to fix it failed, and running short of fuel, with the sun going down, he had to punch out over the bombing range at Edwards AFB. The wreck was in the bone yard at the Mojave airport for years - I have two pieces I tore off of it! Never commented upon was that he set the speed record at Mud Lake and operated out of the airport at Tonopah. Funny, didn't another project operate out of that area about then? (Darryl was a Lockheed pilot, but never flew Have Blue or the F-117). Darryl left Lockheed sometime in the mid 1970s and has been an aircraft broker/restorer ever since. He was working on a new Unlimited with Bruce Boland (head of structural design at the SW) in the early 1990s. Bruce died and money ran short, so he sold out to Wally Fisk. I worked on it a little for Fisk, but it became obvious that the design had serious problems. Last I heard, Fisk gave up on the project. I last talked to Darryl about two years ago. I also worked with Bruce Boland on the Cornell/Jackson Unlimited in the early 1990s. This project also ran out of money 70% complete. If ever there was an aircraft to beat Rare Bear, this was it, but who has the $300,000 it will take to complete and field it? One addition to a previous post of mine - the SW also has Venture Star on the shop floor. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- David Lednicer | "Applied Computational Fluid Dynamics" Analytical Methods, Inc. | email: dave@amiwest.com 2133 152nd Ave NE | tel: (425) 643-9090 Redmond, WA 98052 USA | fax: (425) 746-1299 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lednicer Subject: Clues From Av Week's obit of USAF Lt. Gen. David McCloud, killed flying a Yak-54: "McCloud's career took off in 1976 when he became commander of agressor squadrons at Nellis AFB, Nev., and passed up the chance to attend test pilot school. The posting led to 10 years of assignments in special and secret projects that included flying the F-117 and X-29; Russian aircraft as a member of Tactical Air Command's Red Eagles training unit and Air Force Systems Commands's Red Hats technical exploitation and analysis unit; and other "black" aircraft that USAF still won't identify." - ------------------------------------------------------------------- David Lednicer | "Applied Computational Fluid Dynamics" Analytical Methods, Inc. | email: dave@amiwest.com 2133 152nd Ave NE | tel: (425) 643-9090 Redmond, WA 98052 USA | fax: (425) 746-1299 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:31:41 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: Greenamyer At 02:35 PM 8/4/98 -0700, David Lednicer wrote: >> What ever became of Greenamyer and his F-104??? > > > Never commented upon was that he set the speed record at Mud Lake >and operated out of the airport at Tonopah. Funny, didn't another project >operate out of that area about then? (Darryl was a Lockheed pilot, but >never flew Have Blue or the F-117). > Tonopah Airfield, located a few miles SE of Tonopah, NV is a classic old WW2 training airfield for bombers. It still has a couple of beautiful wood hangers of that vintage and these have a lovely weathered color to the wood. Quite photogenic if your into such things. Of course TTR, the Tonopah Test Range is located 10 more miles to the SE as the bee flies (crows actually fly in jagged lines. Bee's use GPS...I mean uh, polarized sunlight and fly straight.) For your 25 point bonus question.....What then became of the Pond Racer? Was this the one developing twin water cooled Chevrolet automobile engines? Anybody remember the closed course endurance race at Mojave one year involving ANY kind of recip powered aircraft you could get into the air? Something like a thousand miles in duration and took 3 to 4 hours to complete. Guess what was in the lead going into the final lap? patrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:43:26 -0400 From: "James P. Stevenson" Subject: F-16 v. F-18 The issue is not which fighter is better down in the low and slow one v. one dogfight. The real issue is how many reasonably good fighters can you put in the sky for equal amounts of money. When you do that analysis, you will come up with a different answer. As to the alpha limiter of the F-16, that comment does not take into effect other ways of pointing the nose. Look straight ahead and imagine that you need to look at something to your left. You can hold your body rigid and turn your head or hold your head rigid and turn your body. Consider one alpha and the other theta. Using alpha plus theta, the F-16s (or at least the early versions) could put their nose on the other aircraft quicker than the F-18. History tells us that the first two most important issues in winning the aerial combat is have the first sighting and have more numbers in the sky. The F-16 answers both factors better--it is smaller and you can buy more of them. The benefit is magnified with the F-18E/F. Those of you who want to compare the down low and slow capability of one aircraft against another is like comparing knights in a joust to determine the best fighting force. Jim James P. Stevenson Aerospace Planning Group, LLC 5600 Roosevelt St. Bethesda, MD 20817-6740 (301) 254-9000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:48:35 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Clues, clues, and more clues At 02:39 PM 8/4/98 -0700, David Lednicer wrote: > > From Av Week's obit of USAF Lt. Gen. David McCloud, killed flying >a Yak-54: > > "McCloud's career took off in 1976 when he became commander of >agressor squadrons at Nellis AFB, Nev., and passed up the chance to attend >test pilot school. The posting led to 10 years of assignments in special >and secret projects that included flying the F-117 and X-29; Russian >aircraft as a member of Tactical Air Command's Red Eagles training unit >and Air Force Systems Commands's Red Hats technical exploitation and >analysis unit; and other "black" aircraft that USAF still won't identify." > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I got a "this guy told me once" story. He was in the mil aviation section of AOL for awhile a few years ago. He never revealed much but was like that guy in X files who made sure you asked the right questions. Point being he claimed to be an ex- member of a group that acquired foreign asset technology for the Pentagon. He claims they would be given a shopping list and a bag of money so to speak and his team would go out......acquire the goodies in any fashion that proved successful.....and returned home to receive their "atta boy's". He seemed to be very knowledgeable at the time about the Red Hat squadron. They evidently brought home almost any kind of weapon system desired. Assuming what "this guy told me" is true. It was he who first told me of the theory that the number 117 was given to the Blackjets as the next number in succession to the secret planes the Red Hats flew. The idea being that if 115 and 116 were really Russian jets then no one would be real inquisitive about the number 117 being flown out of the same location. Just another stolen Russian jet being tested at TTR. But this theory, however romantic it sounds has never been proven to the best of my knowledge. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:03:15 -0700 From: patrick Subject: F-117 technical improvements Saddam Hussein, are you on this newslist? EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (AFNS) -- When a pilot configured an F-117 Nighthawk for a stealth flight during the Gulf War, the aircraft effectively became a manned cruise missile -- extremely capable of destroying a target, but unable to communicate with the outside world. This limitation made it impossible to change the aircraft's pre-programmed mission plan. As a result, F-117s sometimes penetrated the densest, most lethal air-defense systems in the world only to find the target already destroyed, moved or obscured by weather. Testers at the F-117 Combined Test Force at Plant 42 in Palmdale, Calif., are seeking to solve this problem with a new flight-test project designed to transmit real-time information into and out of an aircraft's mission computer. The combined test force is part of the Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. IRRCA, or the Integrated Real-time Information into the Cockpit/Real-time Information Out of the Cockpit for Combat Aircraft flight test project, will greatly enhance the F-117's flexibility in combat, said Jim "J.B." Brown, lead IRRCA test pilot. "A need exists on today's battlefield to provide a pilot with near real-time information on targets, weather and threats," Brown said. "So far, IRRCA has demonstrated the ability to provide real-time information and to automatically adapt to changing battlefield situations." Initial go-ahead for the demonstration program was given in December. The IRRCA team completed the "real-time information into the cockpit" phase of the program June 30. The "real-time information out of the cockpit" phase is expected to begin next year. The key to IRRCA is the integration of a real-time symmetric multiprocessor. This processor allows for onboard mission planning to take place in minutes. At 1.2 billion instructions per second, the new processor provides significantly faster computation times than ground mission planning, Brown said. The processor will use the latest threat updates received inflight through the IRRCA system. As the aircraft receives threat updates from satellite broadcasts, a moving map displays new threats and the processor automatically evaluates the situation. If the detected threat is expected to affect the mission, the processor will re-plan the F-117's route. The processor then gives the pilot an option to accept or reject the proposed route using threat exposure, flying time and landing fuel as decision factors. A new color liquid crystal diode multifunction display provides interface between the pilot and the vehicle. This device can display a moving map, text messages, images and IRRCA system status. In addition to mission information, text and images also update the pilot on key events and weather. Progress so far has shown the F-117 can react to mission updates, or target changes, and pop-up threats while remaining in a stealth configuration, said project manager Chris Greek. In early July, encrypted messages were transmitted to a modified F-117 on simulated combat missions using a geostationary satellite and the aircraft's low-observable (stealthy) communications radio antenna system. These messages included threat updates, mission updates, text information for the pilot and target imagery. Mission changes were transmitted to the F-117, providing information for the real-time symmetric multi-processor to re-plan the mission for a new target. The mission update message was followed up by a text message and accompanying photographs. The pilot used these to verify the processor's planning results, enabling him to perform target study before attacking. "The photographs were invaluable in the acquisition of targets," said Brown, who flew the test mission. "That's important since pin-point targeting is the F-117's forte." The future of this technology may be used in other aircraft as well, according to Greek. "IRRCA demonstrated that it will allow more efficient use of limited war-fighting assets," Greek said. "When it's fielded, commanders will have greater flexibility to react to changing tactical situations." (Courtesy of Air Force Materiel Command News Service) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:37:26 EDT From: Xelex@aol.com Subject: Re: Geenamayer F-104 On 27 February 1978, while making a second attempt to officially set a low- altitude world speed record, Darryl Greenamayer's CF-104 lost electrical power. Greenamayer was forced to eject over the Edwards AFB bombing range. The aircraft was totally destroyed. Peter W. Merlin THE X-HUNTERS Aerospace Archeology Team ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:26:38 GMT From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica) Subject: Testing Reply Fix Testing please ignore ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 414 541 8579 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 800 816 2568 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com West Allis, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:37:52 EDT From: CatshotKim@aol.com Subject: Pond Racer Unfortunately, the Pond Racer crashed in 1993 at the Reno Air Races, killing the pilot,Rick Brickert. During his qualifying run Rick pulled up declaring a Mayday with his right engine trailing smoke. He flew east to set up for runway 26 but, while turning to final, he suddenly dove the racer to the desert floor and crash landed it. No one knows why Rick did what he did, only guesses at a possible fire in the cockpit or airframe problems. Rick seemed to be in full control until the crash. A true shame. I understand the pilot was a real nice guy. And the plane was beautiful. I was hoping to see great things from it. Kim Keller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:17:03 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: Greenamyer Poor Darryl........his program was on TV last night about going to Greenland to return an intact WW2 B-29. I assume it was the one I had already seen. He honchoed that operation including flying in spare engines and changing them out in freezing weather. At the end of the ordeal, finally getting the plane to the end of a crude runway scraped out of the bog, they had an electrical fire while doing the pre-takeoff engine run ups. The plane sadly was consumed in the fire while the entire team stood by helpless. This guy has got to be due for some kind of aviation award. I saw him race at Reno in the early seventies. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:00:46 EDT From: CatshotKim@aol.com Subject: ERAST on TV tonight For those of you who inquired about NASA's ERAST aircraft, CBS Evening News will have a story on tonight's (Wednesday) edition. ERAST studies high altitude, long duration autonomous aircraft. Kim Keller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:15:36 -0400 From: Drew Menser Subject: Kee Bird I saw that show last night too. I told my wife, now THAT is the kind of show that will make you want to cry. So much time and effort, and then the fire :( Drew - -- - ------------------------------------------- Drew Menser Bridgman, MI USA EMail: dmenser@parrett.net WEB page: http://www.parrett.net/~dmenser 1976 CJ-5 AMA 540902 IMAA21023 - ------------------------------------------- patrick wrote: > > Poor Darryl........his program was on TV last night about going to > Greenland to return an intact WW2 > B-29. I assume it was the one I had already seen. He honchoed that > operation including flying in spare engines and changing them out in > freezing weather. At the end of the ordeal, finally getting the plane to > the end of a crude runway scraped out of the bog, they had an electrical > fire while doing the pre-takeoff engine run ups. The plane sadly was > consumed in the fire while the entire team stood by helpless. > > This guy has got to be due for some kind of aviation award. I saw him race > at Reno in the early seventies. > > patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:28:13 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: Re: Kee Bird FYI - in case anyone is intertested: Public TV Station WGBH sponsored a NOVA documentary called "B-29 Frozen in Time" which chronicles the heroic attempt to resurrect Kee Bird. Darryl had not seen the video at the time of the NAG banquet (it was first aired by PBS stations around Jan. 30), but it proved to be a poignant tribute to the effort, the team and especially to Rick Kriege. Copies of the video are available from WGBH for $19.95 + s/h by calling 1-800-255-9424 or writing WGBH, P.O. Box 2284, S. Burlington, VT 05407-2284. copied from the website at: http://warbird.com/greenamy.html There's a small write up about this episode in Greenamyer's life along with the above info. Greg W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:19:44 GMT From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica) Subject: Testing Another test ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 414 541 8579 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 800 816 2568 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com West Allis, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:00:00 -0400 From: Kevin Champagne Subject: clipped from the Drudge Report of all places - --------------6589ACBA1364705002BD289E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X X X X X SECRET MILITARY BASES 1,850 Now Employed at "Area 51" Underground installations, ultra-secure manufacturing plants and secret laboratories America needed to wage the Cold War are still intact despite federal downsizing policies that have gutted many other military and civilian programs. The SCRIPPS HOWARD news service is set to move a pair of features on its circuits this weekend. More than 1,850 federal civilian workers are currently employed at "Area 51" in the southern Nevada desert -- most in well-compensated jobs at several ultra-high-security facilities in and near the range. "This really is one of the last big secret military bases in the United States. It used to be that the Air Force tried to pretend that Area 51 didn't exist at all," Jeff Moag, a researcher for the National Security News Service, tells SCRIPPS. Who works at Area 51? Non-government military observers believe that hundreds, or thousands, of military and civilian workers who are employed in the desert facilities take daily flights from Las Vegas airfields into the base. "Computer records appear to confirm this," says the fascinating report. Whatever they do At Area 51 -- officially designated the "Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range" on Nevada maps -- it is still done is secret. But SCRIPPS suggests that the base is the testing grounds for America's most secret military machines, everything from the F-117 stealth fighter to electro-magnetic pulse weapons. The wire also explores the super-secret Cheyenne Mountain Air Force and Army complex in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. There are 6,658 employees there. What exactly do they do? Cheyenne Mountain operates military communication and navigation satellites; it watches for the launch of any high-altitude missile system anywhere in the world. The center also tracks more than 8,500 objects in earth orbit to warn manned space flights of collision threats, and assists the Justice Department and U.S. Customs in illegal drug interdiction programs by trying to track aircraft suspected of carrying dope... X X X X X - -- - --------------6589ACBA1364705002BD289E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X X X X X

SECRET MILITARY BASES

1,850 Now Employed at "Area 51"

Underground installations, ultra-secure manufacturing plants and secret laboratories America
needed to wage the Cold War are still intact despite federal downsizing policies that have
gutted many other military and civilian programs.

The SCRIPPS HOWARD news service is set to move a pair of features on its circuits this
weekend.

More than 1,850 federal civilian workers are currently employed at "Area 51" in the southern
Nevada desert -- most in well-compensated jobs at several ultra-high-security facilities in
and near the range.

"This really is one of the last big secret military bases in the United States. It used to be
that the Air Force tried to pretend that Area 51 didn't exist at all," Jeff Moag, a researcher
for the National Security News Service, tells SCRIPPS.

Who works at Area 51?

Non-government military observers believe that hundreds, or thousands, of military and
civilian workers who are employed in the desert facilities take daily flights from Las Vegas
airfields into the base. "Computer records appear to confirm this," says the fascinating
report.

Whatever they do At Area 51 -- officially designated the "Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery
Range" on Nevada maps -- it is still done is secret.

But SCRIPPS suggests that the base is the testing grounds for America's most secret military
machines, everything from the F-117 stealth fighter to electro-magnetic pulse weapons.

The wire also explores the super-secret Cheyenne Mountain Air Force and Army complex in the
Rocky Mountains of Colorado. There are 6,658 employees there.

What exactly do they do?

Cheyenne Mountain operates military communication and navigation satellites; it watches for
the launch of any high-altitude missile system anywhere in the world. The center also tracks
more than 8,500 objects in earth orbit to warn manned space flights of collision threats, and
assists the Justice Department and U.S. Customs in illegal drug interdiction programs by
trying to track aircraft suspected of carrying dope...

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