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skunk-works-digest      Monday, December 7 1998      Volume 07 : Number 085



     Index of this digest by subject:
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Re: Origin of term "skunk works"
Re: Albanian U2
Re: FWD: (UASR) Report on the crash of a forcefield protected Lear Jet
ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE/REQUEST PLEASE READ & FOLLOW
Re: FWD: (UASR) Report on the crash of a forcefield protected Lear Jet
Re: UFOs (real ones) and Skunk Works posting guides.
A terminological probem
Re: A terminological probem
Is Your Web Site A Secret?
RE: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:06:05 -0800
From: Ryan Kirk <ryan_skunk@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Origin of term "skunk works"

That's what I thought the origin was too.  But the inside of a brochure
for the Skunk Works says something to the effect that the Skunk Works
was always "brewing" something secretly (still an alusion to the skonk
works).  I think however this is just a sort of paraphrased explanation
because Rich's explanation is in much greater detail.

Ryan

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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:39:51 GMT
From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica)
Subject: Re: Albanian U2

On Sun, 6 Dec 1998 17:36:40 -0000, you wrote:

>Gearge,
>Saw your name connected to the skunkworks site and thought you could help.
>I'm looking for details on the U2 forced down in Albania in 1957.  I am starting from 0 so will appreciate any accounts.  I am not a skunkworks member/subscriber so I'd appreciate a response to this e-mail address.
>Thanks,
>Steve
Steve:

I'm no expert either, so I'll pass this on to those that are with the
request to email BOTH the list and you directly. 

George

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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:37:10 -0800
From: G&G <habu@cyberramp.net>
Subject: Re: FWD: (UASR) Report on the crash of a forcefield protected Lear Jet

Terry W. Colvin wrote:
> 
> Posted by : Lee Markland <markland@rockisland.com>
> 
> A personal report by Lee Markland.
> 
> At approximately 11:00 P.M. On Dec 13, 1994 there was a major 8 state power
> blackout.....<major rambling snipped>....
> 


 <soapbox_mode ON>

 Other than a passing (and uninformed) mention of an F-117, I fail to see
 what, if anything, this posting has to do with the subject matter of this
 list.

 Terry W. Colvin sees fit to repost these irrelevent rants by persons not
 subscribed to this list on a regular basis, and I for one am more than a
 little tired of having to delete them.  I appreciate the skunk-works list
 as relatively flame-free, and this is not intended as a flame.  Consider
 it a complaint and a request to stick to the subject matter of the list. 
 Maybe George can re-post the charter and rules of the list, and maybe Terry
 can read and understand them.

 <soapbox_mode OFF>


    Greg Fieser


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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:42:38 GMT
From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica)
Subject: ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE/REQUEST PLEASE READ & FOLLOW

Hello Again:

Just a few simple notes/requests:

1) NO ATTACHMENTS OF ANY SORT on E-Mail. Many people still use readers
that don't know how to handle this and it causes BIG problems. Also
please remember our digests are created at 30K in size, one attachment
can EASILY force a digest.

2) DO NOT QUOTE THE ENTIRE DIGEST! Just PLEASE use the piece you are
replying to. Same reasoning as above, it happened again and it just
wastes bandwidth and drive space.

*** 3) AGAIN...UFO type postings have their own forum. THIS IS NOT IT
however. Please try to refrain from this type of posting unless you
can tie it in reasonably to the already stated topics here. I've been
lenient on this one lately and the problem is becoming SEVERE...if it
doesn't cease and desist NOW I'll start unsubbing the violators. Hate
to take a "BIG STICK" approach but the kind & gentle reminders are not
seeming to make it.***

Thank you for your cooperation,

George


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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:31:24 -0700
From: "Terry W. Colvin" <fortean@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: FWD: (UASR) Report on the crash of a forcefield protected Lear Jet

George and Greg,

Administrative note and complaint have been read and noted.  Greg if you are
tired of deleting just imagine how I feel getting about 500 messages daily.
Oh, forgot to mention I'm unemployed and on about 12 mailing lists.

My micron mesh filter is always activated.  BTW, there is a discussion on the
UASR list re B-2, antigravity, need to know, SR-71 flight characteristics, etc.
Since I'm an amateur in this area I do not feel qualified to comment on or to
cross-post to Skunk-Works.

The only association I've had with SR-71 and other intelligence platforms has
been as one of the back-channel data/message processors in Vietnam, Thailand,
Naples, Italy, Panama, and Fort Huachuca.  Here's a quote from James Bamford's
_The Puzzle Palace, A Report on NSA, America's Most Secret Agency_, "The SR-71
Blackbird, named for its sooty, heat-resistant titanium skin, which glows
cherry-red as it flashes across the heavens at Mach 3.32, the successor to the
ill-fated U-2 can photograph 100,000 square miles of the earth's surface in
less than an hour from a height of more than 85,000 feet.  At the same time,
its package of super advanced SIGINT sensors can chart electronic battlefields
and peer deep over a border with side-looking radar."  Published in 1982, an
exciting and informative read for though of us trained to use the phonetic
Tango Kilo for the caveat T....T K.....E in the bowels of the most secret
communications facilities.

The UASR (UFOs, Alien and Space Research) list discussion above includes
about 10 to 12 messages.  Several cite URLs on Befield-Brown, antigravity,
and such which you may or may not find interesting.  Anyone with a modicum
of interest may e-mail me privately for copies.

Terry (crack boink - oops, that's my falling off that fence I was sitting
on :-)

- ---------
G&G wrote:
> 
> Terry W. Colvin wrote:
> >
> > Posted by : Lee Markland <markland@rockisland.com>
> >
> > A personal report by Lee Markland.
> >
> > At approximately 11:00 P.M. On Dec 13, 1994 there was a major 8 state power
> > blackout.....<major rambling snipped>....
> >
> 
>  <soapbox_mode ON>
> 
>  Other than a passing (and uninformed) mention of an F-117, I fail to see
>  what, if anything, this posting has to do with the subject matter of this
>  list.
> 
>  Terry W. Colvin sees fit to repost these irrelevent rants by persons not
>  subscribed to this list on a regular basis, and I for one am more than a
>  little tired of having to delete them.  I appreciate the skunk-works list
>  as relatively flame-free, and this is not intended as a flame.  Consider
>  it a complaint and a request to stick to the subject matter of the list.
>  Maybe George can re-post the charter and rules of the list, and maybe Terry
>  can read and understand them.
> 
>  <soapbox_mode OFF>
> 
>     Greg Fieser
> 
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- -- 
Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com >
Home Page:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832
Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage *
  U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program
- ------------
Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List
  TLCB Web Site:  http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html
Southeast Asia (SEA) service:
Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade
   (Jan 71 - Aug 72)
Thailand/Laos
 - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand
   (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73)
 - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand
   (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site
   (Aug 73 - Jan 74)

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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:28:13 GMT
From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica)
Subject: Re: UFOs (real ones) and Skunk Works posting guides.

>So, what is the policy on Skunk Works-L concerning *any* sort of sighting/detection of Unusual
>Aerial Stuff?   Is any of it legitimate?   If not, is there any reasonably sane, hopefully moderated sky-watcher/aircraft-spotter list where odd sightings can be reported?

Allen:

Obviously unknown odd sightings are allowed, thats partly why we're
here...."little green/grey men" and the like such as we've seen
recently are not. 

Use your best judgement, I'm not out to axe folks with legit questions
but the stuff we've all seen lately well.....

How's this If In doubt send it to me and if I feel its OK, I'll post
it for you OK??

George

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http://www.netwrx1.com          West Allis, WI USA 
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:02:54 -0700
From: "Allen Thomson" <thomsona@dzn.com>
Subject: A terminological probem

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    Now that "UFO,"  originally meant to be a purely descriptive term, =
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:53:36 -0800
From: G&G <habu@cyberramp.net>
Subject: Re: A terminological probem

> Allen Thomson wrote:
> 
>  SNOSITSANIBTO seems a bit long, though fairly pronounceable....

   ROTFLMAO :)
 
>  Or should people just give up reporting any such sightings, knowing
> that they will be put into the looney file?

  OK, feeling a little better today - sorry for the bit of rudeness
  yesterday.  Posting an inquiry about an unusual sighting is one
  thing, but when it includes rampant speculation of UFOian nature -
  well, that crosses the line IMO.

  Somehow I have a hard time believing that USAF and/or Skunkworks is
  testing a technology to disable the nation's power grid by flying
  a Lear jet down the streets at 35 mph to mow down utility poles with
  it's electromagnetic wings...  :)


    Greg


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:34:20 -0500
From: owl@owlsnest.com
Subject: Is Your Web Site A Secret?

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                   Brewster, NY 10509
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Ph: 914-278-4933  Fx: 914-278-4507  E-mail: owl@owlseye.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:19:39 -0000
From: Gavin Payne <G.Payne@cleancrunch.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Is Your Web Site A Secret?

Is this spam?

- -----Original Message-----
From:	owl@owlsnest.com [SMTP:owl@owlsnest.com]
Sent:	Monday, December 07, 1998 6:34 PM
To:	skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Subject:	Is Your Web Site A Secret?

     Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?

     We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85
     and complete the job in 2 business days.  Satisfaction is
     guaranteed!

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your Web site, you may not be adequately listed on the Web's search
engines and indexes.

Millions of viewers daily use these facilities to find the products
and services they are looking for.  But if your site is not listed, no
one will see it.

Listings on most of these services are free.  However, locating and
filling out the forms required to get a listing can take several days,
and most people just don't have the time to do it.

That is why we offer a web site promotion service.

WHAT'S THE DEAL?

We will submit your site to 50 indexes and search engines for $85.  We
will accept the return of this E-mail, with the form below filled out,
as an order.  We will bill you upon completion of the promotion.  Our
terms are net 15 days from date of invoice.  Satisfaction guaranteed!

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?

Generally, we complete the submissions within 48 hours of
receiving your order.  It can take any individual search engine or
index up to three weeks to process your submission, although most are
much faster.

WHAT SEARCH ENGINES AND INDEXES ARE INCLUDED IN THE
PROMOTION?

The list changes from time to time.  This is our current list:

Alta Vista, Anzwers, AOL Netfind, BizCardz Business Directory, Bizlink,
BizWeb, Black Widow Search, Excite, Galaxy, HotBot, Infomak, Infoseek, 
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file as an attachment to your E-mail bill.  Save this file to your
disk, and view it through your Web browser.  It provides links to the
search engine we submitted your site to, plus any comments we received
from them when we did it.

ARE THERE ANY GUARANTEES?

While we can't guarantee that your hits will increase, or that your site
will be at the top of the Search Engine list, we do guarantee that we will
submit your site to 50 search engines and indexes, and that you will be 
satisfied with our efforts on your behalf.  We do not require prepayment.

WHO IS OWL'S EYE PRODUCTIONS?

We are a web site promotion company located at:

   Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
   260 E. Main Street
   Brewster, NY 10509
   Phone: (914) 278-4933
   Fax:     (914) 278-4507
   Email: owl@owlseye.com
   Website: http://www.owlseye.com


HOW DO I ORDER?

The easiest way to order is through our on-line order form at
http://www.owlseye.com.  Or you can order by e-mail.  Just hit the REPLY button on
your e-mail program and fill out the following information. (This
information will be posted to the search engines/indexes):

Your name: 
Company Name:
Address:
City:              State/Prov:     Zip/Postal Code: 
Telephone: 
Fax: 
Email address: 
URL:  http://
Site Title: 
Description (about 25 words): 
Key words (maximum of 25, in descending order of importance):

Contact (in case we have questions): 

If  billing a different address, please complete the following:

Addressee: 
Company Name:
Address:
City:              State/Prov:     Zip/Postal Code: 
Telephone: 
Fax: 
Email address: 

We will bill via Email. (owl10 12/7/98)

Terms:  By returning this document via Email, you agree as follows:
You have the authority to purchase this service on behalf of your
company.    Terms are net 15 days.  Accounts sent to collections will
be liable for collection costs.  You agree to protect and indemnify
Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. in any claim for libel, copyright
violations, plagiarism, or privacy and other suits or claims based on
the content or subject matter of  your site.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

When we receive your order, we will acknowledge it via return email. 
We will then input your information into our system.

When completed, we will run your promotion, capturing any comments
from search engines as we go.  We will incorporate these into an
HTML-formatted report to you, which we will attach to your bill.
======================Web Site Promotions======================
                 Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
                   260 E. Main Street
                   Brewster, NY 10509
                     www.owlseye.com
Ph: 914-278-4933  Fx: 914-278-4507  E-mail: owl@owlseye.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:26:05 GMT
From: georgek@netwrx1.com (George R. Kasica)
Subject: Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:19:39 -0000, you wrote:

>Is this spam?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	owl@owlsnest.com [SMTP:owl@owlsnest.com]
>Sent:	Monday, December 07, 1998 6:34 PM
>To:	skunk-works@netwrx1.com
>Subject:	Is Your Web Site A Secret?
>
Yes, it is and I just got off the phone with Janice and she will be
removing the address from the database ASAP...should see no more of
this.

Now back to your regular skunk discussions....

George
===[George R. Kasica]===        +1 414 541 8579
Skunk-Works ListOwner           +1 800 816 2568 FAX 
http://www.netwrx1.com          West Allis, WI USA 
ICQ #12862186

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:32:27 -0500
From: UFOnetwork <staff@ufonetwork.com>
Subject: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret?

How to NUKE this SPAMMER.

First of all, copy the entire message, including "FULL HEADERS."

Then, complain to:

uce@ftc.gov, abuse@BRAZILNET.net, postmaster@BRAZILNET.net, abuse@att.net,
postmaster@att.net

The Spammer is trying to hide behind their domain, owlseye.com

If you complain there, they'll just send you more Spam.

However, they are apparently hosted by BRAZILNET.net and ATT.net:

Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. (OWLSEYE-DOM)
   260 East Main Street
   Brewster, NY 10509
   US

   Domain Name: OWLSEYE.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.  (OE25-ORG)  info@OWLSNEST.COM
      914/278-4933
   Billing Contact:
      Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.  (OE25-ORG)  info@OWLSNEST.COM
      914/278-4933

   Record last updated on 06-Dec-97.
   Record created on 19-Oct-97.
   Database last updated on 7-Dec-98 03:55:29 EST.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS.OWLSEYE.COM               12.18.54.24
   N2.OWLSEYE.COM               12.18.54.25



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     BrazilNet, Inc (NETBLK-BRAZILNET-54) BRAZILNET-54    12.18.54.0 -
12.18.54.255

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From: owl@owlsnest.com
To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Subject: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
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     Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet?

     We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85
     and complete the job in 2 business days.  Satisfaction is
     guaranteed!

If you have a great product, but are not getting many inquiries from
your Web site, you may not be adequately listed on the Web's search
engines and indexes.

Millions of viewers daily use these facilities to find the products
and services they are looking for.  But if your site is not listed, no
one will see it.

Listings on most of these services are free.  However, locating and
filling out the forms required to get a listing can take several days,
and most people just don't have the time to do it.

That is why we offer a web site promotion service.

WHAT'S THE DEAL?

We will submit your site to 50 indexes and search engines for $85.  We
will accept the return of this E-mail, with the form below filled out,
as an order.  We will bill you upon completion of the promotion.  Our
terms are net 15 days from date of invoice.  Satisfaction guaranteed!

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?

Generally, we complete the submissions within 48 hours of
receiving your order.  It can take any individual search engine or
index up to three weeks to process your submission, although most are
much faster.

WHAT SEARCH ENGINES AND INDEXES ARE INCLUDED IN THE
PROMOTION?

The list changes from time to time.  This is our current list:

Alta Vista, Anzwers, AOL Netfind, BizCardz Business Directory, Bizlink,
BizWeb, Black Widow Search, Excite, Galaxy, HotBot, Infomak, Infoseek, 
InfoSpace, InterBis, Jayde Online Directory, Jumpcity, Jumper Hot Links,
JumpLink, 
LinkMonster, Lycos, MangaSeeker, Manufacturers Information Network, 
Net Happenings, Net Announce, New Page List, New Riders WWW Yellow Pages, 
Northern Light, One World Plaza, PeekABoo, Planet Search, Power Crawler, 
QuestFinder, Scrub The Web, Seven Wonders, SiteFinder, SiteShack, Super
Snooper, 
The YellowPages.com, TurnPike, Unlock: The Information Exchange, WebCrawler, 
WebVenture Hotlist, WhatUSeek, Where2Go, WhoWhere, World Announce Archive, 
Wow! Web Wonders!, YeeHaa!, Yellow Pages Superhighway, YelloWWWeb, Your
Webscout, 
ZenFinder.


HOW WILL I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PROMOTED MY SITE?

When we have completed the promotion, we will send you an HTML
file as an attachment to your E-mail bill.  Save this file to your
disk, and view it through your Web browser.  It provides links to the
search engine we submitted your site to, plus any comments we received
from them when we did it.

ARE THERE ANY GUARANTEES?

While we can't guarantee that your hits will increase, or that your site
will be at the top of the Search Engine list, we do guarantee that we will
submit your site to 50 search engines and indexes, and that you will be 
satisfied with our efforts on your behalf.  We do not require prepayment.

WHO IS OWL'S EYE PRODUCTIONS?

We are a web site promotion company located at:

   Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
   260 E. Main Street
   Brewster, NY 10509
   Phone: (914) 278-4933
   Fax:     (914) 278-4507
   Email: owl@owlseye.com
   Website: http://www.owlseye.com


HOW DO I ORDER?

The easiest way to order is through our on-line order form at
http://www.owlseye.com.  Or you can order by e-mail.  Just hit the REPLY
button on
your e-mail program and fill out the following information. (This
information will be posted to the search engines/indexes):

Your name: 
Company Name:
Address:
City:              State/Prov:     Zip/Postal Code: 
Telephone: 
Fax: 
Email address: 
URL:  http://
Site Title: 
Description (about 25 words): 
Key words (maximum of 25, in descending order of importance):

Contact (in case we have questions): 

If  billing a different address, please complete the following:

Addressee: 
Company Name:
Address:
City:              State/Prov:     Zip/Postal Code: 
Telephone: 
Fax: 
Email address: 

We will bill via Email. (owl10 12/7/98)

Terms:  By returning this document via Email, you agree as follows:
You have the authority to purchase this service on behalf of your
company.    Terms are net 15 days.  Accounts sent to collections will
be liable for collection costs.  You agree to protect and indemnify
Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. in any claim for libel, copyright
violations, plagiarism, or privacy and other suits or claims based on
the content or subject matter of  your site.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

When we receive your order, we will acknowledge it via return email. 
We will then input your information into our system.

When completed, we will run your promotion, capturing any comments
from search engines as we go.  We will incorporate these into an
HTML-formatted report to you, which we will attach to your bill.
======================Web Site Promotions======================
                 Owl's Eye Productions, Inc.
                   260 E. Main Street
                   Brewster, NY 10509
                     www.owlseye.com
Ph: 914-278-4933  Fx: 914-278-4507  E-mail: owl@owlseye.com



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