From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V7 #86 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Wednesday, December 9 1998 Volume 07 : Number 086 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? Re: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? RE: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? RE: Owl's Eye Productions spam... Re: UFOs (real ones) and Skunk Works posting guides. RE: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? Re[2]: Is Your Web Site A Secret? FW: SR-71 License Plates for non-Virginians Re: FW: SR-71 License Plates for non-Virginians Thrust/Weight Ratios Sleepless in Sedona Thrust/Weight- Re: Thrust/Weight- Re: Thrust/Weight Ratios Re: FW: SR-71 License Plates for non-Virginians Re: skunk-works-digest V7 #82 Re: Thrust/Weight- Re: skunk-works-digest V7 #82 Finding genuine, totally authentic written or , photographed copies of the genuine, totally authentic , specifications of the originally-designed or the latest/last SR-71 (i.e., the Blackbird) *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:32:51 -0500 From: "www.ufonetwork.com" Subject: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? How to NUKE this SPAMMER. First of all, copy the entire message, including "FULL HEADERS." Then, complain to: uce@ftc.gov, abuse@BRAZILNET.net, postmaster@BRAZILNET.net, abuse@att.net, postmaster@att.net The Spammer is trying to hide behind their domain, owlseye.com If you complain there, they'll just send you more Spam. However, they are apparently hosted by BRAZILNET.net and ATT.net: Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. (OWLSEYE-DOM) 260 East Main Street Brewster, NY 10509 US Domain Name: OWLSEYE.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. (OE25-ORG) info@OWLSNEST.COM 914/278-4933 Billing Contact: Owl's Eye Productions, Inc. (OE25-ORG) info@OWLSNEST.COM 914/278-4933 Record last updated on 06-Dec-97. Record created on 19-Oct-97. Database last updated on 7-Dec-98 03:55:29 EST. Domain servers in listed order: NS.OWLSEYE.COM 12.18.54.24 N2.OWLSEYE.COM 12.18.54.25 AT&T ITS (NET-ATT) ATT 12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255 BrazilNet, Inc (NETBLK-BRAZILNET-54) BRAZILNET-54 12.18.54.0 - 12.18.54.255 Please feel free to copy my analysis and forward along with your copy of the Spam. :-) Received: from netwrx1.com (netwrx1.com [192.41.8.79]) by frances.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA30349 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:05:58 - -0500 Received: (georgek@localhost) by netwrx1.com (8.8.5) id LAA13629; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:34:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from www.owlseye.com (owl@[12.18.54.24]) by netwrx1.com (8.8.5) id LAA13601; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:34:44 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: netwrx1.com: Host owl@[12.18.54.24] claimed to be www.owlseye.com Received: (from owl@localhost) by www.owlseye.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17029; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:34:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:34:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199812071834.NAA17029@www.owlseye.com> From: owl@owlsnest.com To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Is Your Web Site A Secret? 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Main Street Brewster, NY 10509 www.owlseye.com Ph: 914-278-4933 Fx: 914-278-4507 E-mail: owl@owlseye.com - -- __ __ ______ ____ / / / // ____// __ \ UFOnetwork http://www.ufonetwork.com / / / // /_ / / / / / /_/ // __/ / /_/ / Claude DiDomenica 781-440-0011 \____//_/ \____/ webmaster@ufonetwork.com __ fax 781-440-9183 __ ____ ___ / /_ _ __ ____ _____ / /__ / __ \ / _ \ / __/| | /| / // __ \ / ___// //_/ / / / // __// /_ | |/ |/ // /_/ // / / ,< /_/ /_/ \___/ \__/ |__/|__/ \____//_/ /_/|_| My resume page: http://www.ufonetwork.com/resume/ Articles, rants & such... :-) http://www.ufonetwork.com/articles.html Where's that philanthropist I've had a vision of? :-) Please make a tax-deductible donation via our Secure Server to Children's Animated Television, which sponsors UFOnetwork: http://www.ufonetwork.com/donate/ Or send a check to: Children's Animated Television, PO Box 509, Needham, MA 02492 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:05:15 -0500 From: "www.ufonetwork.com" Subject: Re: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? At 04:32 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >How to NUKE this SPAMMER. > Oops! Sorry for the double post! Claude ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:38:23 +1030 From: Dennis Lapcewich Subject: RE: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? > How to NUKE this SPAMMER. > While your suggestion expresses one's distain for spam email (and you will probably not get any disagreement from the folks on this list), please allow our system administrator (good ol' George) to take a first strike on this and render the spammer incapable of further intrusions, children and anti- SR-71 propaganda. :) As a system administrator, I do appreciate comments being directed in my direction when I can assist, as opposed to individual users taking things into their own hands and possibly increasing the collateral damage. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:27:20 -0800 From: "Corey Lawson" Subject: RE: Owl's Eye Productions spam... Y'all complain about some marginal stuff that gets posted to the digest, but for y'all to then turn around and refer to the spam at least 4 times, *each time with the full spam message included*, is lame. I'll go back to putting the aluminum foil back on my head... But seriously, for some skunky work under the waves, has anyone read "Blind Man's Bluff" yet? They had the authors on C-Span's BookNotes yesterday. Was recently reviewed in Navy Times (and presumably, Army & Air Force times as well). A highlight of the book, the missions of the USS Halibut putting a recording device on a USSR telephone cable, and the missions to keep going back and retrieve and replenish the tapes. Other similar stories of subs used for ELINT, etc. since post WWII, as well. Just wondering if anyone has read it. I do want to get it... OK, maybe not exactly Skunk Works material, but there is a lot that our subs have been and are still being used for that put the drama in "Hunt for Red October" to shame... - -Corey Lawson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:45:20 -0500 From: shsrms Subject: Re: UFOs (real ones) and Skunk Works posting guides. George, I believe you are absolutely correct- a UFO - a real unidentified Flying Object that exhibits the traits ascribed to aurora, et al is surely of interest! LGM (lil green men) et al are not needed! bob - -- real address is shsrms at erols dot com The Herbal Gypsy and the Tinker. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:20:03 -0500 From: "www.ufonetwork.com" Subject: RE: SPAM COMPLAINT: Is Your Web Site A Secret? Oops! I'll save my nukes then. :-) Claude At 08:38 AM 12/8/98 +1030, you wrote: >> How to NUKE this SPAMMER. >> > > > >While your suggestion expresses one's distain for spam email (and you will >probably not get any disagreement from the folks on this list), please allow >our system administrator (good ol' George) to take a first strike on this and >render the spammer incapable of further intrusions, children and anti- SR-71 >propaganda. :) > >As a system administrator, I do appreciate comments being directed in my >direction when I can assist, as opposed to individual users taking things into >their own hands and possibly increasing the collateral damage. > >Dennis > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 98 16:47:49 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: Re[2]: Is Your Web Site A Secret? looks like it.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:18:47 -0500 From: Martin Hurst Subject: FW: SR-71 License Plates for non-Virginians Forward to the list FYI regards, - -Martin - ---------- From: Tim Cronen[SMTP:tim.cronen@nasm.si.edu] Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 11:14 AM To: martinh@ix.netcom.com Subject: Reply: SR-71 License Plates for non-Virginians Dear Mr. Hurst: Thank you for your interest in the National Air and Space Museum Dulles Center Commemorative Virginia license plate. It is possible for non-Virginia residents to purchase a SAMPLE plate of the Dulles Center license plate with the SR-71 image. The Department of Motor Vehicles for the Commonwealth of Virginia will accept orders for sample plates once the first batch of plates that will be used on automobiles have been issued. They expect this to occur by the end of January 1999. The Dulles Center sample plate will be an actual license plate but will not be valid for use on an automobile. The cost for the sample plate is $10.00 for a regular plate and $20.00 for a personalized plate. Personalized plated will have a maximum of two to six characters, including a space, dash or ampersand (&). Handicapped plates with the SR-71 design are available, but will only have 4 spaces to accommodate the handicapped symbol. The handicapped plate will have a maximum of two to four characters including a space, dash or ampersand (&). Please send me an e-mail with your name, address and telephone number. Once the Department of Motor Vehicles makes the sample plate available for sale, you will be notified and given any additional information. A portion of each commemorative license plate sale will be used to directly support the building of the new National Air and Space Museum Dulles Center, as well as support the ongoing preservation and restoration activities of the unique and historic aircraft and spacecraft in the National Collection. To learn more about the new Dulles Center or other ways you can help support the National Air and Space Museums ongoing preservation and restoration activities, please visit our web site at www.nasm.si.edu. Please contact me if I can be of any further assistance. Tim Cronen Program Manager The National Air and Space Society National Air and Space Museum, Room 3608 Smithsonian Institution Washington, D.C. 20560-0321 Telephone: 202.357.3762 Facsimile: 202.633.8174 E-mail: tim.cronen@nasm.si.edu Please share this information with someone who you feel is interested in aviation and space history. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: David Allison Subject: Re: FW: SR-71 License Plates for non-Virginians > Personalized plated will have a maximum of two to six characters, > including a space, dash or ampersand (&). Well, Scully, it looks like I'll just have to order one that says "ABU-ORG" and paint an H in front of it... ;-) It's a great plate with a terrific design; if you haven't seen it... http://www.nasm.edu/NASMDOCS/NASS/license.htm Sincerely, - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V^V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Martin Hurst wrote: > Forward to the list FYI > regards, > -Martin > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:50:49 -0500 From: boogel@juno.com (Thomas B Billups) Subject: Thrust/Weight Ratios I've not posted before, but I hope this is not too far off topic. As a kid growing up next to Lambert, I remember McDonnell Douglas doing something unusual with their F-15s. In order to keep from filing a flight plan (at least this is what I surmised) they would set the fighters on their tails as soon as the rubber left the ground. Then ride the afterburners rocket style straight up until they reached the mile mark. By the time they started to role parallel to Earth they would be a speck. Has there ever been any research into launching planes off carriers like this. Vertically that is. thanks Tom Billups ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:50:37 -0800 From: "A.J. Craddock" Subject: Sleepless in Sedona At around 11:30 pm on the evening of Sunday 22nd November a group of about 35 of us observed the following overflying an area just outside Sedona, Arizona. The group included many professionals including several doctors (scientific and medical) and pilots. A cylindrical object with a large red light at the front and a large white light at the rear flying in close formation with a jet powered chase plane with conventional lighting, including wing-tip lights. The cylindrical object had no wings, was completely silent, and was about the same length as the chase plane. There was no visible jet effluence. These craft were observed for several minutes by members of the group using conventional binoculars, image-stabilizing binoculars, and monocular and binocular night-scopes (generations 1 thru' 3). The noise of only one jet aircraft was all that could be heard. Viewing conditions were crystal clear. Altitude? Plus or minus 20,000 ft. would be a semi-informed guess. Relevance to this group? I guess it depends whether it was built by Lockheed-Martin, Northrop or SAIC. Perhaps one of the List's experts will enlighten us now that it is in the public domain. Tony Craddock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:28:42 EST From: MSU94@aol.com Subject: Thrust/Weight- Uhh...Not sure how that would keep from filing a flight plan..It is still an aircraft in controlled airspace that is going to be on an IFR flight plan probably.. Besides, it takes a min or two to file a flight plan..Straight up takeoff in burner used tons of gas and is quite costly...plus there are certain speeds to comply with in controlled airspace such as in St Louis. Most planes when loaded do not have the thrust to to weight ratio to just rotate and climb up..And besides it has to get rotation speed, which is still just below take off speed... - ----------------------------------------- I've not posted before, but I hope this is not too far off topic. As a kid growing up next to Lambert, I remember McDonnell Douglas doing something unusual with their F-15s. In order to keep from filing a flight plan (at least this is what I surmised) they would set the fighters on their tails as soon as the rubber left the ground. Then ride the afterburners rocket style straight up until they reached the mile mark. By the time they started to role parallel to Earth they would be a speck. Has there ever been any research into launching planes off carriers like this. Vertically that is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 00:12:54 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: Thrust/Weight- I saw a small NASA passenger craft, do this in the city of Sunland CA, he wound up the engines, SCREAMED across the runway, more like hovering down the tarmac and shot up at about 80 degrees! Kurt Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KQ6NG Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB Based In Nevada, United States Of America On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:28:42 EST MSU94@aol.com writes: >Uhh...Not sure how that would keep from filing a flight plan..It is >still an >aircraft >in controlled airspace that is going to be on an IFR flight plan >probably.. >Besides, it takes a min or two to file a flight plan..Straight up >takeoff in >burner >used tons of gas and is quite costly...plus there are certain speeds >to comply >with >in controlled airspace such as in St Louis. > >Most planes when loaded do not have the thrust to to weight ratio >to just rotate and climb up..And besides it has to get rotation speed, >which >is >still just below take off speed... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 06:22:31 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: Thrust/Weight Ratios On 12/7/98 5:50PM, in message <19981207.205050.14334.0.boogel@juno.com>, Thomas B Billups wrote: Then ride the afterburners rocket style straight > up until they reached the mile mark. By the time they started to > role parallel to Earth they would be a speck. > Has there ever been any research into launching planes off > carriers like this. Vertically that is. > > thanks > Tom Billups > Tailsitters resurface every so often. Engineers like them because in theory, they're very efficient in the VTOL mode. The ideas soon die a quick death as soon as someone with operational experience looks at the concepts. They're operational nightmares, vastly overpowered, can't be launched or recovered as quickly as horizontal V/STOLs or even CTOLs, require all kinds of special handling gear/operational surfaces and have been described when descending on their "column of fire" as literally, "digging their own grave". > Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:46:45 EST From: SR71T@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: SR-71 License Plates for non-Virginians Yes Sir: keep me posted , thanks much....GR.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:30:15 GMT From: abeaumont@canterbury.kent.sch.uk (Adrian Beaumont) Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V7 #82 Reference:- > >skunk-works-digest Tuesday, December 1 1998 Volume 07 : Number 082 > Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:10:52 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: Re[2]: High Flying Aircraft. OK, but he tossed in 500. As for the RADAR freqs no problem as I have some of the equipment in my shop. 27 MHz, 200 MHz, 400 MHz and some 3-7 GHz from 1943 strange thuogh, Britian relied on RADAR for their defense, and they used innacurate 27 MHz equipment, while we used high resolution compact microwave tube/silicon-hybrids. Must be one of those wierd things, like the half dozen SR-71/XD-21 GPS transmitters made in 1961 I bought for $5.00 each. I won't tell if you wont! Kurt The comment on "inaccurate 27MHz" radar equipment is itself less than precise. Radar had been invented/discovered during the early 1930s, and at that time the chosen frequency was ideal for a variety of reasons, not the least that was a practical proposition with the skills and knowlege of the time. The first station was at Dunkirk (not the Dunkirk in France), a hilltop just 5 miles from my school in Canterbury - and we are just about 30 miles in a straight line from France. It was operational from about 1936 - I have all the exact dates at home if anyone is interested. As for accuracy - it worked just fine, given the nature of the aircraft that were a threat to us. The only people that complained about it were Luftwaffe pilots, and they were not complaining about lack of accuracy! There was no real need for any greater precision in the radar until later about 1940 when two new threats appeared. The first was the cunning decision by the Luftwaffe to fly bombers over here at night. Knowing they are there is one thing but finding them in the dark was another. It was a smart move as flying a Heinkel over Kent in the daytime, in the precence of radar waves and Spitfires was pretty suicidal - we are still picking bits of planes out of the ground around here. The second was the U-boat threat. What was needed was a radar set with higher definition that could fit into an aircraft. A major problem was the size of the antennas needed, and so much shorter wavelengths were needed. This could not be achieved as a practical proposition until Randall and Boot invented the cavity magnetron which made possible 10cm airborne radar. One of the first cavity magnetrons was delivered in great secrecy to the USA and Roosevelt is said to have described it as "The most valuable cargo ever to reach these shores", or words to that effect. Radar remained secret for some time - the Germans had attempted to detect radio transmissions years before the war started by flying the old Graf Zeppelin airship up and down the east coast of England - it did not detect anything, partly because it was not listening on the right wavebands, and partly because the huge rf energy being picked up by the immense metal structure of the airship was interfering with radio equipment on board the airship. Some time ago there was discussion as to whether or not wooden aircraft at the time were an attempt to be stealthy - the truth is that radar was so secret that aircraft designers did not know of it. The wooden aircraft were designed merely to economise on the use of scarce metals, that would be in short supply during a war. Most of the wooden aricraft, eg the Mosquito, dated in design terms from about 1936 - again, I have all the precise details/dates if anyone is interested. Sorry if this is off-topic! Adrian Beaumont Science Faculty The Canterbury High School ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:09:52 -0500 From: "James P. Stevenson" Subject: Re: Thrust/Weight- The F-15s out of Lambert Field using this vertical assent were known as "viking" departures. Jim S. >Uhh...Not sure how that would keep from filing a flight plan..It is still an >aircraft >in controlled airspace that is going to be on an IFR flight plan probably.. >Besides, it takes a min or two to file a flight plan..Straight up takeoff in >burner >used tons of gas and is quite costly...plus there are certain speeds to comply >with >in controlled airspace such as in St Louis. > >Most planes when loaded do not have the thrust to to weight ratio >to just rotate and climb up..And besides it has to get rotation speed, which >is >still just below take off speed... >----------------------------------------- >I've not posted before, but I hope this is not too far off topic. >As a kid growing up next to Lambert, I remember McDonnell >Douglas doing something unusual with their F-15s. In order >to keep from filing a flight plan (at least this is what I surmised) >they would set the fighters on their tails as soon as the rubber >left the ground. Then ride the afterburners rocket style straight >up until they reached the mile mark. By the time they started to >role parallel to Earth they would be a speck. >Has there ever been any research into launching planes off >carriers like this. Vertically that is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:07:12 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V7 #82 You forgot to mention RADAR has been in use since 1917, and the Germans used 108 MCs RADAR in their aircraft, quit small antennas, system, and high resolution. Kurt Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KQ6NG Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB Based In Nevada, United States Of America >Adrian Beaumont >Science Faculty >The Canterbury High School > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: robert_jr_brassell Subject: Finding genuine, totally authentic written or , photographed copies of the genuine, totally authentic , specifications of the originally-designed or the latest/last SR-71 (i.e., the Blackbird) I would love to know where, who and, if applicable, when to request or otherwise obtain an original, authentic, DEFINITE copy of the original, totally authentic specifications of the ABSOLUTELY FAMOUS (as afar as I am concerned), UNDENIABLE (as far as I am concerned) aircraft extraordinare, the Blackbird, the same one as apparently WAS cooperatively used by the United States' executive Defense Department and Central Intelligence Agency. I have searched and searched but cannot seem to find this information. I am looking for this information for strictly noncommercial, personal and informational purposes only. After reading all the correspondence between everyone in this particular e-mail forum, I apparently can safely assume SOMEONE does know something about what I am asking for and can help me in fulfilling such an informal, if also lengthly, request. Thank's for reading this message and hopefully the correct correspondents will respond to my correspondence. Robert Brassell, Jr., undergraduate baccalaureate student, the C. W. Post Campus/Center of Long Island University, Brookville, New York 11548-1300. My home telephone/fax number (NOT at aforementioned college): 1-(516)-271-5028 ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V7 #86 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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