From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V7 #91 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Saturday, December 19 1998 Volume 07 : Number 091 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: early stealth Re: Iraq Re: A4B Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Re: The Hypersonic Revolution Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Re: Iraq Aoplogy to the List. Re: Plasmas ... strange lights Re: Flying Saucer (On Topic!) Re: Flying Saucer (On Topic!) Re: Plasmas ... strange lights Re: Iraq Re: Plasmas ... strange lights *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:30:23 -0700 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: Re: early stealth James P. Stevenson informed us" >There had been technical efforts to reduce aircraft susceptibility to radar >detection as far back as World War II by the Germans. The United States >renaissance on radar reduction began in the 1950s on ICBM re-entry >vehicles. Lockheed did some work on the U-2 in the late 1950s and on its >SR-71 aircraft in the early 1960s. The Navy also looked at making some of >its smaller boats less detectable to radar. In addition, the NRO has declassified a memorandum showing that the CIA people working on the CORONA spysat program were starting to think about applying radar and optical signature reduction measures to satellites as early as January 1963. Specifically, - - "Methods of reducing optical cross sections." - - "Radar cross section study, low cross section shapes, absorbers, signal attenuation and modification, scintillation techniques, flush mounted antennas." and, somewhat related, - - "Study and development of capability to hide among existing space objects." (BTW, thanks for the information on the Myers letter; I hadn't known of it.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:47:45 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: Iraq Can ANYBODY here decode high speed telemetry in their head??? How do you know if any of it is in the clear or encrypted? Kurt Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KK7RC Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB Based In Nevada, United States Of America In use: Kenwood: TM-251A/E, TS-570d, Yaesu: FT-8100R, FT-2500M, FT50rd, Realistic: DX-394, Icom: IC-706MKII, Uniden: BC-200xlt, BC-760xlt, Whistler: CO403DC scanning video reciever 55-890 MHz >You seem to imply with this comment that these telemetry "signals" are >in >the clear? What modulation type do they employ? > >td > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:02:33 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: Re: A4B > >> I see tha tI as with most of us are victoms of American dis-information! > >> I read of an aircraft designated A4b in 1943 flew at 4200 MPH, there was > > > >Impossible! The A4B Skyhawk is a Vietnam-era fighter aircraft capable of > low > >supersonic speeds. > > > I think the A4B was also a Nazi ballistic missile, similar to the V2, but I am correct in stating that a ballistic missile is not considered to be an aircraft? > with planar wings. It is conceivable that a 1940's era unmanned ballistic > missle could reach such speeds. > True, but only in the descent phase, seconds before impact. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:29:39 -0800 From: Colin Thompson Subject: Re: Iraq It is my understanding that this consists of in the clear video signals that can be played on a monitor. Not encrypted code but video. Perhaps telemetry is the wrong term. Colin K. Rudolph wrote: > > Can ANYBODY here decode high speed telemetry in their head??? How do you > know if any of it is in the clear or encrypted? > > Kurt > > Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KK7RC > Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB > Based In Nevada, United States Of America > In use: Kenwood: TM-251A/E, TS-570d, Yaesu: FT-8100R, FT-2500M, FT50rd, > Realistic: DX-394, > Icom: IC-706MKII, Uniden: BC-200xlt, BC-760xlt, Whistler: CO403DC > scanning video reciever 55-890 MHz > > >You seem to imply with this comment that these telemetry "signals" are > >in > >the clear? What modulation type do they employ? > > > >td > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:29:46 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: Iraq Now THAT is of great interest to me!!! Can you tell me more??? Kurt Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KK7RC Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB Based In Nevada, United States Of America In use: Kenwood: TM-251A/E, TS-570d, Yaesu: FT-8100R, FT-2500M, FT50rd, Realistic: DX-394, Icom: IC-706MKII, Uniden: BC-200xlt, BC-760xlt, Whistler: CO403DC scanning video reciever 55-890 MHz On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:29:39 -0800 Colin Thompson writes: >It is my understanding that this consists of in the clear video >signals >that can be played on a monitor. Not encrypted code but video. >Perhaps >telemetry is the wrong term. > >Colin > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:19:08 -0800 From: Colin Thompson Subject: Re: Iraq K. Rudolph wrote: > > Now THAT is of great interest to me!!! Can you tell me more??? > > >It is my understanding that this consists of in the clear video > >signals > >that can be played on a monitor. Not encrypted code but video. > >Perhaps > >telemetry is the wrong term. The following is copied from a note I received from a fellow on the Milcom list this last summer. I cannot verify this information but in the event I see the lights that inspired this note, I will try to snag the signal on tape. Colin > Anyway...as you are on the Milcom list I guess you are into monitoring the > local comms....bet you never hear anything when the lights are "up". > There may be a way of getting some live video though. > If you are within 50 to 100 miles of the action I think I can help you. > > Whatever craft are being flown,...and I suspect that they are semi > conventional a/c using plasma field effect to alter thier flow through the > air...they will be sending telemetry.Because of the mountainous terrain > line of sight signals could be difficult,so I suspect they will send the > video,in the clear,to a Geo sat,which will then bounce it back > down..alternatively the signal will go to mobile stations in the hills . > Now..these signals will be microwave, similar to the "Gold Strike" system > used on the advanced F16s. > For about $50 dollars you can set yourself up with a monitoring system > using your existing satellite gear. > All you need is an S Band lnb and a dipole,or if you are feeling > lucky,..lash out on an S band beam antenna and rotator.There are a few 2nd > hand S band LNBs knocking around out there...check Ken Reitzs column in > Satellite times for a dealer. > You simply hook the LNB to the antenna,then plug it into your sat recvr > point the antenna in the direction of 51 and tune the band for carrier. > The signals will be found around 2.3 ghz. > The helos that patrol the area will no doubt use on board cameras..these > will be at 2.6 ghz > > I have attached pics of the set up you need,and also a still from video I > recorded of a local test flight. > > it doesnt matter if they fly at night because they will use infra red cams. > > Let me know if you are going to have a go ,I have never made reliable > contact with anyone within striking distance of the area before..you could > be the first to capture these a/c on video....By the way..this type of > monitoring falls within the amateur TV bands,so isnt illegal as far as I > know..however not many know about it.....so beware the men in black! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:27:58 -0800 From: calcity Subject: Re: Iraq Colin, Could you please describe the location of your observation and any details, please? Dwight : ) Colin Thompson wrote: > Narrow band FM. > > tonydinkel@clubnet.net wrote: > > > > >To keep this on topic I have observed plasma type aircraft maneuvering > > >over the Sierra Nevada mountains. The next time I see this, I hope to > > >video tape their telemetry signals which are transmitted by > > >observational helicopters in the 2.3 to 2.6 GHz range. > > > > You seem to imply with this comment that these telemetry "signals" are in > > the clear? What modulation type do they employ? > > > > td ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:47:32 -0800 From: tonydinkel@clubnet.net (Tony Dinkel) Subject: Re: Iraq >> >It is my understanding that this consists of in the clear video >> >signals >> >that can be played on a monitor. Guess I better look for this sort of signature next time I am in the Edwards or Nellis vicinity. Never thought to bring the 2 gHz stuff because all I thought i would hear was encrypted buzz. You might want to look in the vicinity of 5 to 8 mHz out of the demodulator also. There could be some multiplex going on there. Standard frequencies are 5.8, 6.2 and 6.8 mHz. Could be some audio also. >> be the first to capture these a/c on video....By the way..this type of >> monitoring falls within the amateur TV bands,so isnt illegal as far as I >> know..however not many know about it.....so beware the men in black! Actually, the top part of the former amateur 2 gHz band was taken away for flight test telemetry some years ago. The simple possession of equipment capable of interception of it could most likely be twisted into some sort of federal offense so monitoring in the stealth mode would be prudent. This would be most important near a sensitive area where the MP's think they have authority. Before we get too far into this off topic, should we take this private or start a new list on OneList perhaps? At least we are not talking about flying saucers. td ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:06:39 -0800 From: Colin Thompson Subject: Re: Iraq Sure! I live in Central CA, just opposite Area 51, on a hill, nestled up against the Western slopes of the Sierras. On numerous occasions (but none this year) I have observed lights performing very unusual maneuvers. Extreme velocity changes and extreme direction changes. I have enough a background in conventional aircraft observation and amateur astronomy to realize that this phenomenon cannot be attributed to conventional aircraft or astronomical aberrations. calcity wrote: > > Colin, > > Could you please describe the location of your observation and any details, > please? > > Dwight : ) > > Colin Thompson wrote: > > > Narrow band FM. > > > > tonydinkel@clubnet.net wrote: > > > > > > >To keep this on topic I have observed plasma type aircraft maneuvering > > > >over the Sierra Nevada mountains. The next time I see this, I hope to > > > >video tape their telemetry signals which are transmitted by > > > >observational helicopters in the 2.3 to 2.6 GHz range. > > > > > > You seem to imply with this comment that these telemetry "signals" are in > > > the clear? What modulation type do they employ? > > > > > > td ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:26:28 EST From: Xelex@aol.com Subject: Re: The Hypersonic Revolution Larry Smith writes: There is also a curious statement at the beginning of each volume that I recall that states that distribution outside the U.S. is not allowed and that U.S. citizenship or some such is required for distribution. I checked the original editions, and could not find such a restriction. At any rate, the new edition has no restrictions of any kind. The original was published by the Special Staff Office, Aeronautical Systems Division. The new three-volume set was published by the Air Force History and Museums Program, which also distributes a number of monographs on Air Force history. Peter Merlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: Re: Iraq > > For what it's worth, the latest reports I've heard from the talking > heads > > is > > that up to 300 cruise missiles were launched, all from Naval assets. If. > true, > > > The first number they mentioned on the tube last night was 100, then 200. Have > we launched additional missiles since then? > > > > that would pretty much use up most of the Tomahawks in the area. Further > > > If I recall correctly our Ticonderoga class Aegis cruisers with VLS usually I believe the two VLS launchers on Ticonderoga class guided missile cruisers are arranged in 8x8 squares (for a total of 128 missiles compatible with the Mk41 VLS). I read somewhere a long time ago that the Ticonderoga cruisers carry roughly 40-48 Standard missiles, 40-48 Tomahawks and 40-48 ASROC missiles. They probably wouldn't need that many ASCROCs given the low probability of encountering enemy submarines, so I suppose they might carry more Tomahawks instead. > carry about 40 Tomahawks. I believe Spruance class destroyers can carry at > least > 8. I think Alreigh Burke class Aegis destroyers carry about 20, and Los > Angeles > class attack subs may be able to carry 12 or more. Can someone enlighten us on > this? > > Anyone know which version(s) of the AGM-109/BGM-109/UGM-109 we are using? > My guesstimates above include both ground attack versions and anti-ship > versions > of the tomahawk, although given the virtually non-existent naval threat to our > vessels we probably would have very many anti-ship Tomahawks on our ships. > > Anyone know what type of warheads we are using and how effective our missiles > have been thus far. > > > > strikes > > are expected form B-52s, who do have a limited number of conventional ALCMs In Pentagon Lingo these are referred to as CALCMs > in > > inventory. > > > I presume you are referring to AGM-86C's, is this correct? > > Again, if I remember correctly each B-52 can carry 20 of these. I believe they carry 8 internally and 12 on external pylons. > > I think we have several hundred of these in inventory, and we might be able to > convert the nuclear version of the ALCM (AGM-86A/B) to the conventional Boeing Aerospace has kits for converting ALCMs into CALCMs, therefore it may be a while before we exhaust our reserves. http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missiles/calcm/calcm.htm > version > fairly easily and inexpensively. > > > > > > That points up another problem we'll be facing in the not too distant > > future. > > Clinton has never replaced the missiles we've used previously, and in fact > > turned > > down a contract opportunity to buy Tomahawks for a lower price than Harpoon. > > > > Wow! That would have been a great deal.... I'm guessing less than $1.25mil a > piece. We definitely should have went for that. > > > > > If we > > continue to pretend that we can rely on "surgical " cruise missiles > > exclusively, > > we're going to run out worldwide. > > > > > Let's hope our very good friends worldwide (including Saddam) are unaware of > this. > > > > > > > > Art > > Sam Sam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:13:25 -0800 From: patrick Subject: Re: Iraq At 09:06 PM 12/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Sure! I live in Central CA, just opposite Area 51, on a hill, nestled >up against the Western slopes of the Sierras. On numerous occasions >(but none this year) I have observed lights performing very unusual >maneuvers. Extreme velocity changes and extreme direction changes. I >have enough a background in conventional aircraft observation and >amateur astronomy to realize that this phenomenon cannot be attributed >to conventional aircraft or astronomical aberrations. > Then why aren't you posting this to alt.strange lights.must be Aliens from another universe/dimension/time warp??? patrick cullumber ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:34:57 -0800 From: patrick Subject: Re: Iraq > >Boeing Aerospace has kits for converting ALCMs into CALCMs, therefore it may be >a while before we exhaust our reserves. > > >http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missiles/calcm/calcm.htm > > Most interesting website by Boeing. Yes it appears they have more to convert. The question then is how many ALCM's (ex-nuke) do we have salted away waiting for conversion. Lockheed may be technological leaders but give credit to Boeing for being ecologically responsible for its warfighting weapons platforms. 40 year old B-52's flying around carrying "no deposit, no return" recycled aluminum cruise missiles. Where is Captain Kong now that we need him most. Shoot, he's probably having a good time in Vegas. patrick cullumber ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:12:38 -0800 From: Colin Thompson Subject: Re: Iraq Patrick, Being new to this list I was not aware of your prejudice towards unconventional AC. This information was in response to the plasma field posts. Unless you own this list, I suggest you get off my case and make use of your delete key. BTW, there are no aliens, it's just a hoax. Colin patrick wrote: > > At 09:06 PM 12/17/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Sure! I live in Central CA, just opposite Area 51, on a hill, nestled > >up against the Western slopes of the Sierras. On numerous occasions > >(but none this year) I have observed lights performing very unusual > >maneuvers. Extreme velocity changes and extreme direction changes. I > >have enough a background in conventional aircraft observation and > >amateur astronomy to realize that this phenomenon cannot be attributed > >to conventional aircraft or astronomical aberrations. > > > > Then why aren't you posting this to alt.strange lights.must be Aliens from > another universe/dimension/time warp??? > > patrick cullumber ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:59:48 -0800 From: Colin Thompson Subject: Aoplogy to the List. My sincere apologies to the list. I inadvertently sent a private message intended only for Patrick regarding Iraq to the entire list. It is not my intent to cause trouble or start flame wars. Respectfully, Colin Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:30:44 -0800 From: Larry Smith Subject: Re: Plasmas ... strange lights > >Sure! I live in Central CA, > > On numerous occasions > >(but none this year) I have observed lights performing very unusual > >maneuvers. Extreme velocity changes and extreme direction changes. I > >have enough a background in conventional aircraft observation and > >amateur astronomy to realize that this phenomenon cannot be attributed > >to conventional aircraft or astronomical aberrations. Actually, there is a great body of interesting phenomenon that have been largely ignored by science, until recently. For example, scientists are starting to study sprites and jets. Jets may be one form of naturally occurring plasmoid, and in fact, these things have been observed being ejected vertically out of the tops of thunderclouds at Mach 300, jetting up to 40-50km altitude!! There are also the naturally occurring lights at Marfa Texas and Hessdalen in Norway, that have been studied by scientists. Plasmas, due to their makeup, exhibit quite nonlinear (unusual) behavior. At times, they can appear to have a mind of their own. I would also expect that they might emit E-M radiation in certain modes, and given that there are small ones and large ones, I would expect the effect of the large ones could be quite phenomenal. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:06:00 -0800 (PST) From: dadams@netcom.com Subject: Re: Flying Saucer (On Topic!) > I have a video by Sean Morton from several years back shot from Freedom > Ridge in which a winged plane can be seen landing at Groom Lake at night > clearly projecting some kind of a plasma/microwave field in front of it. > The field can be seen due to the visual distortion it causes. Heh. Sounds like landing lights distorted by zoom lenses and atmospherics (and with Sean Morton involved, perhaps deliberate manipulation). He was a well known Groom Lake con man/exploiter. He's the one who dubbed the 737s regularly landing at Groom in the early am hours as the "Old Faithful UFO", and used to charge people $100 a head to drive out and see it. After the Groom craze died down he proclaimed himself a psychic and started predicting earthquakes and stuff. Typical lunatic fringe profiteer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:44:31 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: Flying Saucer (On Topic!) Yah, I have seen dozens of things over the years and have always looked at with crytical eye rather than jump to conclusions, and over time, all have revealed themselves, though there are a dozen or so things that I have never been able to figure out, nor anybody else I have told them to. Kurt Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KK7RC Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB Based In Nevada, United States Of America In use: Kenwood: TM-251A/E, TS-570d, Yaesu: FT-8100R, FT-2500M, FT50rd, Realistic: DX-394, Icom: IC-706MKII, Uniden: BC-200xlt, BC-760xlt, Whistler: CO403DC scanning video reciever 55-890 MHz On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:06:00 -0800 (PST) dadams@netcom.com writes: >> I have a video by Sean Morton from several years back shot from >Freedom >> Ridge in which a winged plane can be seen landing at Groom Lake at >night >> clearly projecting some kind of a plasma/microwave field in front of >it. >> The field can be seen due to the visual distortion it causes. > >Heh. Sounds like landing lights distorted by zoom lenses and >atmospherics >(and with Sean Morton involved, perhaps deliberate manipulation). He >was a >well known Groom Lake con man/exploiter. He's the one who dubbed the >737s >regularly landing at Groom in the early am hours as the "Old Faithful >UFO", >and used to charge people $100 a head to drive out and see it. After >the >Groom craze died down he proclaimed himself a psychic and started >predicting >earthquakes and stuff. Typical lunatic fringe profiteer. > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:49:15 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: Re: Plasmas ... strange lights An extensive literature exists on ball lightning. Several archived messages from the Ball Lightning Forum give some of these references. Balls of light are an associated phenomenon. Greg Long is writing a book on these balls of light. His website, Northwest Mysteries, is included on my home page cited below. Terry - ----------------- Larry Smith wrote: > > > >Sure! I live in Central CA, > > > On numerous occasions > > >(but none this year) I have observed lights performing very unusual > > >maneuvers. Extreme velocity changes and extreme direction changes. I > > >have enough a background in conventional aircraft observation and > > >amateur astronomy to realize that this phenomenon cannot be attributed > > >to conventional aircraft or astronomical aberrations. > > Actually, there is a great body of interesting phenomenon that have been > largely ignored by science, until recently. > > For example, scientists are starting to study sprites and jets. Jets may > be one form of naturally occurring plasmoid, and in fact, these things > have been observed being ejected vertically out of the tops of thunderclouds > at Mach 300, jetting up to 40-50km altitude!! > > There are also the naturally occurring lights at Marfa Texas and Hessdalen > in Norway, that have been studied by scientists. > > Plasmas, due to their makeup, exhibit quite nonlinear (unusual) behavior. > At times, they can appear to have a mind of their own. > > I would also expect that they might emit E-M radiation in certain modes, > and given that there are small ones and large ones, I would expect the > effect of the large ones could be quite phenomenal. > > Larry - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 98 01:58:07 -0000 From: jaz5@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Iraq So if its about strange lights why is it titled Re: Iraq? If strange lights are the subject I think its skunky, but when the thread turns towards aliens it gets murky. jaz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:41:13 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: Plasmas ... strange lights I saw ball lightning in Reno about 10 years ago! What is the address for the mailing list? Kurt Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KK7RC Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB Based In Nevada, United States Of America In use: Kenwood: TM-251A/E, TS-570d, Yaesu: FT-8100R, FT-2500M, FT50rd, Realistic: DX-394, Icom: IC-706MKII, Uniden: BC-200xlt, BC-760xlt, Whistler: CO403DC scanning video reciever 55-890 MHz On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:49:15 -0700 "Terry W. Colvin" writes: >An extensive literature exists on ball lightning. Several archived >messages >from the Ball Lightning Forum give some of these references. Balls of >light >are an associated phenomenon. Greg Long is writing a book on these >balls of >light. His website, Northwest Mysteries, is included on my home page >cited >below. > >Terry > >----------------- >Larry Smith wrote: >> >> > >Sure! I live in Central CA, >> > > On numerous >occasions >> > >(but none this year) I have observed lights performing very >unusual >> > >maneuvers. Extreme velocity changes and extreme direction >changes. I >> > >have enough a background in conventional aircraft observation and >> > >amateur astronomy to realize that this phenomenon cannot be >attributed >> > >to conventional aircraft or astronomical aberrations. >> >> Actually, there is a great body of interesting phenomenon that have >been >> largely ignored by science, until recently. >> >> For example, scientists are starting to study sprites and jets. Jets >may >> be one form of naturally occurring plasmoid, and in fact, these >things >> have been observed being ejected vertically out of the tops of >thunderclouds >> at Mach 300, jetting up to 40-50km altitude!! >> >> There are also the naturally occurring lights at Marfa Texas and >Hessdalen >> in Norway, that have been studied by scientists. >> >> Plasmas, due to their makeup, exhibit quite nonlinear (unusual) >behavior. >> At times, they can appear to have a mind of their own. >> >> I would also expect that they might emit E-M radiation in certain >modes, >> and given that there are small ones and large ones, I would expect >the >> effect of the large ones could be quite phenomenal. >> >> Larry > >-- >Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > >Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 >Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * > U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program >------------ >Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List > TLCB Web Site: http://www.seacoast.com/~jsweet/brotherh/index.html >Southeast Asia (SEA) service: >Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade > (Jan 71 - Aug 72) >Thailand/Laos > - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand > (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) > - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand > (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site > (Aug 73 - Jan 74) > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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