From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V7 #95 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Wednesday, December 30 1998 Volume 07 : Number 095 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: AFNEWS flash Are F-117s noisy? Re: Are F-117s noisy? Re: Are F-117s noisy? Re: Threatcons Re: AFNEWS flash Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records F-22 costs Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records Re: F-117 Dual AMRAAM Launch Image (was Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records) Re: AFNEWS flash Re: AFNEWS flash Re: AFNEWS flash Re: AFNEWS flash Re: AFNEWS flash Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records Re: AFNEWS flash Real cars (was: AFNEWS flash) Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records Re: Real cars (was: AFNEWS flash) *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:45:18 -0700 From: Brad Hitch Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash Brad Hitch wrote > derived (from Newton's 3rd law: F=ma, yielding slugs as the fundamental I meant Newton's second law. #1) A particle at rest remains at rest and bodies in motion tend to stay in motion and move in a straight line if no unbalanced force is acting on it. #2) The acceleration of a particle is proportional to the resultant force on it and inversely proportional to its mass (a=F/m). #3) Forces of action and reaction between bodies are of equal magnitude and opposite direction. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:38:10 -0700 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: Are F-117s noisy? I was just (1615 MST) going out to get the mail here in east El Paso and had my attention drawn up by the noise of a jet (low-to-medium pitched rolling sound, no high-frequency component obvious). There, fairly high up -- the black diamond-with-wingtips shape was distinct, but not large -- was an F-117 headed SE-NW. Just guessing from the relative angular size of the airplane and those of airliners flying over (bigger true dimensions, comparable or slightly smaller angular size, altitudes 30-35,000 ft) the F-117 was at maybe 15,000 feet. Are there other reports of how noisy F-117s are? I was somewhat surprised by how loud this one was. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:40:17 EST From: kc7vdg@juno.com (K. Rudolph) Subject: Re: Are F-117s noisy? I have found there to be nothing stealthy abuot their sound, I was near Ridgecrest when a B2 flew over at a relatively slow speed and I had to SCREAM to be heard at a distance of about 4 feet, I was told the craft was flying about 200 knots at about 1,000 feet. The same thing has happened every time I see one, including the one which over flew Pasadena for the Rose Parade, it's like a squadron of B1b's. Kurt Amateur Radio Stations KC7VDG/KK7RC Monitor Station Registry KCA6ABB Based In Nevada, United States Of America In use: Kenwood: TM-251A/E, TS-570d, Yaesu: FT-8100R, FT-2500M, FT50rd, Realistic: DX-394, Icom: IC-706MKII, Uniden: BC-200xlt, BC-760xlt, Whistler: CO403DC scanning video reciever 55-806 MHz On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:38:10 -0700 "Allen Thomson" writes: >I was just (1615 MST) going out to get the mail here in east El Paso >and had >my attention drawn up by the noise of a jet (low-to-medium pitched >rolling >sound, no high-frequency component obvious). There, fairly high up >-- the >black diamond-with-wingtips shape was distinct, but not large -- was >an >F-117 headed SE-NW. Just guessing from the relative angular size of >the >airplane and those of airliners flying over (bigger true dimensions, >comparable or slightly smaller angular size, altitudes 30-35,000 ft) >the >F-117 was at maybe 15,000 feet. > >Are there other reports of how noisy F-117s are? I was somewhat >surprised >by how loud this one was. > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:14:02 -0800 From: patrick Subject: Re: Are F-117s noisy? At 04:38 PM 12/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >I was just (1615 MST) going out to get the mail here in east El Paso and had >my attention drawn up by the noise of a jet (low-to-medium pitched rolling >sound, no high-frequency component obvious). There, fairly high up -- the >black diamond-with-wingtips shape was distinct, but not large -- was an >F-117 headed SE-NW. Just guessing from the relative angular size of the >airplane and those of airliners flying over (bigger true dimensions, >comparable or slightly smaller angular size, altitudes 30-35,000 ft) the >F-117 was at maybe 15,000 feet. > >Are there other reports of how noisy F-117s are? I was somewhat surprised >by how loud this one was. > Yes they are noisy as all airplanes are noisy. For the umpteenth time....there is virtually no sound attenuation on an F-117. They produce virtually the same noise as an airplane of conventional design using the same engine would. The platypus as Lockheed call its, is to fan out the exhaust stream over a wide area versus a normal exhaust This is to cool the exhaust quicker to cut down the IR signature and possible contrail. (they don't really fly high enuf to create a contrail but do have a "contrail" warning light on the dash panel if conditions exist to create one.) In fact just ahead of the (aerodynamically simple) device is a round exahust duct connecting the engine to the platypus. There is nothing there to make the plane quiet. Another bit of "F-117 folklore" (could be the title of a book!!) Its my guess that Lockheed advertises it as a quieter plane so they can include this so called feature in their list of 14 or 15 stealthy attributes of the airplane. It is not a "quiet" plane. Again, after personally observing many hours of these planes operating in the air, they are just as noisy as you would expect. Try driving up to Alamogordo sometime and sit on Hiway 70 about 3 miles south of the main gate. F-117s will be taking off in front of you and you can hear for yourself. patrick cullumber ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:21:28 EST From: Xelex@aol.com Subject: Re: Threatcons Under nominal "peacetime" conditions there is no Threat Condition (THREATCON). The four THREATCONs ( A, B, C, and D) area used for ever increasing security postures as follows: THREATCON Alpha: Advise all personnel of the condition Increase general security awreness Secure buildings, rooms, and storage areas not in regular use Increase package security Check all deliveries Conduct I.D. checks for entry THREATCON Bravo: Continue all THREATCON Alpha measures Require all personnel to wear badges Conduct random package inspections Identify and monitor visitors Curtail special events and visitors Increase guards and patrols THREATCON Charlie: Continue all THREATCON Bravo measures Inspect all packages Admit only essential visitors under escort Establish random security checkpoints Cancel special events Limit number of entry and exit points Perform a consent search on all entering vehicles Cancel vacations for security personnel Establish 24 hour patrols Alert local law enforcement agencies THREATCON Delta Continue all THREATCON Charlie measures Close installation to all visitors Limit entry and exit to a single point Augment security forces as necessary Minimize all administrative journeys and visits Frequently check the exterior of buildings and parking areas In actual practice, many of these elements are used even when there is no THREATCON, and some elements from higher security postures are occasionally used during lower postures. Peter W. Merlin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:58:46 -0800 From: G&G Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash Brad Hitch wrote: > #1) A particle at rest remains at rest and bodies in motion tend to stay > in motion and move in a straight line if no unbalanced force is acting > on it. > > #2) The acceleration of a particle is proportional to the resultant > force on it and inversely proportional to its mass (a=F/m). > > #3) Forces of action and reaction between bodies are of equal magnitude > and opposite direction. ...sounds more like the US political system in DC these days... :) Greg Fieser %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% %% %% Reality is for People Who %% %% Can't Handle Simulation %% %% %% %% habu@cyberramp.net %% %% gdfieser@hti.com %% %% %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:33:50 +0000 From: John Szalay Subject: Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records Stumbled onto a couple of webpages that might be of interest to the group. http://members.aol.com/stlthdrvr1/Stealth.html http://www.thefighterenterprise.com/F117/f117.html Might be old news to some, but I have,nt seen them mentioned before... Interesting photo on the one page of a dual AMRAAM launch, real or doctored image ? John Szalay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:59:26 -0700 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: F-22 costs Some numbers released by DoD via DefenseLINK on 28 December 1998: United Technologies Corp., West Palm Beach, Fla., is being awarded a $39,930,505 face value increase to a firm-fixed-price contract which definitizes production of six F119 engines (four install, two spare), and associated data, engineering support, and preliminary field support applicable to the F-22 Production Representative Test Vehicle aircraft. Expected contract completion date is May 24, 2001. Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity (F33657-98-C-2004-P00002). Lockheed Martin Corp., Marietta, Ga., is being awarded a $456,575,881 face value increase to a firm-fixed-price contract to provide for two F-22 Production Representative Test Vehicle aircraft and associated equipment. Expected contract completion date is Dec. 31, 2002. Solicitation issue date was Dec. 23, 1997. Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity (F33657-97-C-0030-P00003). Lockheed Martin Corp., Marietta, Ga., is being awarded a $46,626,953 face value increase to a firm-fixed-price contract to provide for CY 1999 sustaining labor in support of the F-22 Production Representative Test Vehicle (PRTV) and Production Program. Expected contract completion date is Dec. 31, 1999. Solicitation issue date was Dec. 23, 1997. Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity (F33657-97-C-0031-P00003). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:37:52 -0800 From: patrick Subject: Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records At 08:33 PM 12/29/98 +0000, John Szalay wrote: > Stumbled onto a couple of webpages that might be of interest >to the group. > > http://members.aol.com/stlthdrvr1/Stealth.html > > http://www.thefighterenterprise.com/F117/f117.html > > > Might be old news to some, but I have,nt seen them mentioned > before... > > Interesting photo on the one page of a dual AMRAAM launch, > real or doctored image ? > This guy claims to be a Stealth Driver. He sounds more like an F-15 wannabe. His attitude is not at all representative of the average professional F-117 pilot. But even I learned a tidbit or two from his website. The photo of the 4 F-117's are mislabeled as from the 7th FTS. They are in fact Ships 782. 783 and 784 of the Senior Trend program and Ship 831. All assigned to testing at Palmdale. Re the AMRAAM launching. Certainly possible of course. I have to question why you would want to violate the stealth characteristics by placing whatever detectors are required in the aircraft to manage this weapon. Or why you would need a low observable platform to launch a stanoff missile. Or why would they convert their precious few assets to an entirely new role. Since idle speculation is so popular these days---could this be a test of the rumoured anti-AWAC'sSki killer? An antidote for sneaking in and knocking down the Russian built AWAC's aircraft. (My apologies to the great Russian design bureaus for not knowing their aircraft designations. Just a minor chauvinistic faux pas on my part) Thanks for spotting the website John. patrick cullumber ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 98 07:56:51 EST From: keller@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: F-117 Dual AMRAAM Launch Image (was Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records) John Szalay wrote: > Stumbled onto a couple of webpages that might be of interest >to the group. > http://members.aol.com/stlthdrvr1/Stealth.html > http://www.thefighterenterprise.com/F117/f117.html > Might be old news to some, but I have,nt seen them mentioned > before... > Interesting photo on the one page of a dual AMRAAM launch, > real or doctored image ? The image of a supposed dual AMRAAM appears to be the same image which was brought to the attention of the list maybe two or three years ago. At that time, it was promptly dimissed as a hoax, and a bad one at that, by someone who claimed to have been involved in AMRAAM flight test program for the following reasons: First, the exhaust plume on one of the missiles isn't what an AMRAAM plume looks like. Second, even if two missiles where launched so close together, which isn't likely, the missile already ignited would no longer be in the picture. Based on the pictures of the YF-22 AMRAAM launching which Aviation Week has repeatedly published, I will agree that the exhaust plume on one of the missiles in the F-117 image isn't at all what the AMRAAM plume looks like. The AMRAAM plume in Aviation Week is much longer than the missile itself, about the same diameter, mostly clear & studded with Mach diamonds. - --Paul Keller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:44:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash I usually stay out of philosophical/political topics, but I want to respond to the following, because I not only disagree, it also bugs me frequently in my day-to-day life. :) Brad Hitch (misguidedly :-) ) wrote >There is nothing inherently superior about the metric system. When it >was first proposed by the French, the meter was defined as one >ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the pole (a distance >that wasn't actually known at the time in ANY units), and which is a >rather inconvenient standard. On the other hand, almost everyone has a >foot available. The basic difference between the US Customary units and >SI is that in USC the pound is defined as a force and the mass is >derived (from Newton's 3rd law: F=ma, yielding slugs as the fundamental >unit of mass) while in SI the mass is defined and the force (in units of >Newtons) is derived. The physics is the same in any units you choose. The metric system (or SI == System Internationale) is inherently superior to the US (or British, Sumeric, Neanderthal, etc.) systems for the following 3 reasons: 1) It is international, used about everywhere on Earth (with the exception of the USA and some Papua New Guinean tribes, of course). 2) No matter what the original definition of the Meter (or Foot) was, the Meter and all other SI units are well defined at this date and time. And don't tell me "almost everyone has a foot available" -- that is nonsense. 3) (and maybe foremost), all SI units are based on the decimal system, which makes it way easier to not only calculate, but also to convert between units. One Kilogram (kg) is 1000 Gram (g), One ton (t) is 1000 kg, etc. Many units in the American system are based on the duodecimal (base 12) or hexadecimal (base 16) systems, which makes it not only confusing, but also very annoying, especially when you have to deal with 5/8 of an inch or 2 pounds and 7 ounces. A ton is 2000 pounds and a (statute) mile is 1760 yards, while a yard is 3 feet. Does anybody know why degrees Fahrenheit are used instead of Celsius (or Kelvin)? Celsius makes so much more sense: 0 C is the freezing temperature of water, 100 C is the boiling temperature, and 1 degree Celsius is as much as 1 Kelvin. One (dry measure) gallon is not even one (liquid measure) gallon, while 1000 cubic centimeters (ccm) are one liter (l). And if a pound is a force, why do they sell cheese by the pound? :) I am all for traditions, but that kind of chaos is way too complicated for me -- I am just a simple programmer, ya know, and calculating is not my strongest forte. :) - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@acm.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.ais.org/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:11:23 -0800 From: G&G Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl wrote: > Does anybody know why degrees Fahrenheit are used instead of Celsius (or > Kelvin)? Celsius makes so much more sense: 0 C is the freezing temperature > of water, 100 C is the boiling temperature, and 1 degree Celsius is as > much as 1 Kelvin. If we'd been meant to use the metric system God would have given us ten fingers and ten toes!!! Oh, wait a minute... :) The Fahrenheit temperature scale was "invented" by German physicist Gabriel D. Fahrenheit (nice initials!). He devised the Fahrenheit thermometer based on two points - the normal temperature of the human body, which he assigned (inaccurately) to be 100 degrees (vs. the now accepted 98.6), and the temperature of an ice-brine mixture, which he assigned a value of zero degrees. Using this scale, he noted that water freezes at 32 degrees and boils at 212 degrees. Later, Swedish astronomer Ander Celsius devised another scale, in which he assigned zero degrees as the freezing point of water, and 100 degrees as the boiling point of water. The terms Celsius and centigrade (100 gradations) are interchangeable. The Kelvin scale biases the Celsius scale to measure "absolute" zero. The corollary for Fahrenheit is the Rankine scale. I have no idea why or how the Fahrenheit scale became the default in the U.S. - I would guess there were a larger (or possibly earlier) number of German immigrants than Swedish???? (again, just a guess) I do remember a pro-metric poster from years ago, showing an attractive bikini-clad female and the numbers "914-610-914". Somehow the U.S. male population still failed to make the conversion... Greg D. Fieser %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% %% %% Reality is for People Who %% %% Can't Handle Simulation %% %% %% %% habu@cyberramp.net %% %% gdfieser@hti.com %% %% %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:41:00 +0000 From: John Szalay Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash At 10:44 AM 12/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >I usually stay out of philosophical/political topics, but I want to respond >to the following, because I not only disagree, it also bugs me frequently >in my day-to-day life. :) > >The metric system (or SI == System Internationale) is inherently superior >to the US (or British, Sumeric, Neanderthal, etc.) systems for the following >3 reasons: > >1) It is international, used about everywhere on Earth (with the exception > of the USA and some Papua New Guinean tribes, of course). > >I am all for traditions, but that kind of chaos is way too complicated for >me -- I am just a simple programmer, ya know, and calculating is not my >strongest forte. :) > >-- Andreas > >-- I,m all for it being metric, but as I posted earlier, I have to work with drawings ( CAD generated BTW:), and we get them in all systems. lets get on with it. but its like a train, ship or whatever,its hard to change the direction, when the momentum is aheaden that-a-way... John Szalay Laser driver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:45:29 +0000 From: John Szalay Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash on second thought , I,ll just go by the title Laser Mahout rather than Laser driver since I also have to feed, water, teach , babysit as well as drive them.. :) John Szalay CNC Laser Mahout ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:13:23 -0800 From: patrick Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash From Andreas: > >The metric system (or SI == System Internationale) is inherently superior >to the US (or British, Sumeric, Neanderthal, etc.) systems for the following >3 reasons: > >1) It is international, used about everywhere on Earth (with the exception > of the USA and some Papua New Guinean tribes, of course). > >2) No matter what the original definition of the Meter (or Foot) was, the > Meter and all other SI units are well defined at this date and time. > And don't tell me "almost everyone has a foot available" -- that is > nonsense. > >3) (and maybe foremost), all SI units are based on the decimal system, > which makes it way easier to not only calculate, but also to convert > between units. One Kilogram (kg) is 1000 Gram (g), One ton (t) is 1000 > kg, etc. > > Many units in the American system are based on the duodecimal (base 12) > or hexadecimal (base 16) systems, which makes it not only confusing, but > also very annoying, especially when you have to deal with 5/8 of an inch > or 2 pounds and 7 ounces. A ton is 2000 pounds and a (statute) mile is > 1760 yards, while a yard is 3 feet. > But the best reason Andreas???? You can drop a Beetle engine in the dirt floor of your garage in 10 minutes using 3 end wrenches!! 10, 14 and 17 mm. "Damn is this the right size? Gotta be bigger than a 1/2 inch. Here it is. Oh this is a 11/16 inch. I need a 5/8 inch. Is 11/16 bigger or smaller? Well its smaller than this 3/4 inch. Hell, where's the Crescent wrench? Here it is under my 17/32 inch. Jeez, why did I ever buy that thing? Oh, that's right. Grandpa used to have that old Edsel" patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:14:44 EST From: MiGEater1@aol.com Subject: Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records john.szalay@postoffice.worldnet.att.net writes: << Stumbled onto a couple of webpages that might be of interest to the group. http://members.aol.com/stlthdrvr1/Stealth.html Interesting photo on the one page of a dual AMRAAM launch, real or doctored image ? John Szalay >> Yes, that is a doctored image. One AIM-120 missile was pasted twice onto the F-117 image and a flame-plume airbrushed onto the back of the lower one . After talking with the author of that page (yes a real F-117 pilot and instructor), I learned that image is kind of an in-joke among the -117 pilots. You are almost guaranteed to get a chuckle or two if the subject is brought up in casual conversation with a Stealth driver. Also note how large the AMRAAMS are compared to the airplane. The missiles are as long as the bay doors and 1/4 the length of the airplane which would make them about 16.5 feet long (-120's being 12 feet long). Thanks for the links John John Clark http://avphoto.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:23:29 -0800 From: patrick Subject: Re: AFNEWS flash > I,m all for it being metric, but as I posted earlier, I have to work >with drawings ( CAD generated BTW:), and we get them in all systems. >lets get on with it. but its like a train, ship or whatever,its hard >to change the direction, when the momentum is aheaden that-a-way... > > John Szalay > Laser driver Back before FORD Had Better Ideas.......they sold Pintos as I recall with Kent engines from FORD of England. Yes, you needed both kinds to work on your car. Metric for the new metric body and inch kind for the engine. At least they weren't using Whitworth threads on the English hardware, but I digress! patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:11:28 -0800 From: ehoel@esri.com Subject: Real cars (was: AFNEWS flash) Patrick [mailto:patrick@e-z.net] writes about a feminine car: ... chop ... > But the best reason Andreas???? You can drop a Beetle engine > in the dirt > floor of your garage in 10 minutes using 3 end wrenches!! > 10, 14 and 17 mm. > > > "Damn is this the right size? Gotta be bigger than a 1/2 > inch. Here it > is. Oh this is a 11/16 inch. I need a 5/8 inch. Is 11/16 bigger or > smaller? Well its smaller than this 3/4 inch. Hell, where's > the Crescent > wrench? Here it is under my 17/32 inch. Jeez, why did I > ever buy that > thing? Oh, that's right. Grandpa used to have that old Edsel" Hmmmm. I can drop the 430 out of my '62 Lincoln using only two sockets on the end of my air-wrench - a 7/8" for the motor mounts, and a 5/8" for the transmission bell housing. BTW - yeah, I know, I'll just let gravity take care of tearing off all the assorted wires and hoses. No need to fuss with a silly screw driver... Erik - -- Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:43:36 +0000 From: John Szalay Subject: Re: Aviation/Aerospace World Records At 01:14 PM 12/30/98 EST, you wrote: >john.szalay@postoffice.worldnet.att.net writes: > >Yes, that is a doctored image. >After talking with the author of that page (yes a real F-117 pilot and >instructor), I learned that image is kind of an in-joke among the -117 pilots. > I was wondering about that too, I ran his "Handle" thru the internic WHOIS site and came back with his name and address, his home address fits >Thanks for the links John > >John Clark >http://avphoto.com > My pleasure I,m just lucky that once I point these beasts in the right direction and feed them the instructions, I,m free to wander the net, (within reason, good taste, and corp. policy. That is) John Szalay CNC Laser Mahout ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:37:16 -0800 From: "A.J. Craddock" Subject: Re: Real cars (was: AFNEWS flash) Where is List Commissar Dean Adams when he is REALLY needed to question the cult status of posters? Tony Craddock ********* At 11:11 AM 12/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Patrick [mailto:patrick@e-z.net] writes about a feminine car: > >... chop ... > >> But the best reason Andreas???? You can drop a Beetle engine >> in the dirt >> floor of your garage in 10 minutes using 3 end wrenches!! >> 10, 14 and 17 mm. >> >> >> "Damn is this the right size? Gotta be bigger than a 1/2 >> inch. Here it >> is. Oh this is a 11/16 inch. I need a 5/8 inch. Is 11/16 bigger or >> smaller? Well its smaller than this 3/4 inch. Hell, where's >> the Crescent >> wrench? Here it is under my 17/32 inch. Jeez, why did I >> ever buy that >> thing? Oh, that's right. Grandpa used to have that old Edsel" > >Hmmmm. > >I can drop the 430 out of my '62 Lincoln using only two sockets on the end >of my air-wrench - a 7/8" for the motor mounts, and a 5/8" for the >transmission bell housing. > >BTW - yeah, I know, I'll just let gravity take care of tearing off all the >assorted wires and hoses. No need to fuss with a silly screw driver... > >Erik >-- >Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com >Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com >380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel >Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax > > > >> > > ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V7 #95 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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