From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V8 #87 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Sunday, August 1 1999 Volume 08 : Number 087 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: German pilot in downed F-117A Re: RE: Couple of things I've come across Re: RE: Couple of things I've come across F-117A Site RAF Bandits (was Couple of things I've come across) Re: RAF Bandits (was Couple of things I've come across) Re: RAF Bandits (was Couple of things I've come across) NASA taking ownership of SR-71 NASA taking ownership of SR-71 Lockheed Skunkworks designs came from ET craft - Ben Rich Re: NASA taking ownership of SR-71 RAF Bandits....England re visited... Re: RAF Bandits....England re visited... Re: NASA taking ownership of SR-71 Re: RAF Bandits....England re visited... *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:01:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Subject: Re: German pilot in downed F-117A Stefan Dornbusch schrieb: >P.S. >Andreas Gehrs-Pahl, that's quite a German name Nur zu wahr, aber das ist auch der Fall fuer eine ganze Menge anderer Deutscher Staatsbuerger, Dich eingeschlossen. :) Anyway, I am now seven years in the US, and have more difficulties writing German, than English, sigh. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@acm.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.ais.org/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:03:18 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: RE: Couple of things I've come across At 10:33 AM 7/29/99, you wrote: >Patrick writes: > >>At 08:19 AM 7/28/99, you wrote: >>>Patrick writes: >>> >>>>At 02:49 PM 7/27/99 +0100, Gavin wrote: >>>> >>>>>Officially you are correct, the first time the Nighthawk came to the UK was >>>>>in 1996, however 'rumour' has it that part of its testing took place in >>>>>northern Scotland (the same place the Aurora is rumoured to have gone to). >>>>> >>>> >>>>I would consider this to be a totally baseless rumor. It can be added to >>>>the list of F-117 folklore however. No one has seems to be able to produce >>>>a shred of evidence nor any sensible logic as to why the USAF would abandon >>>>the dry clear climes of the desert Southwest and go to the added expense of >>>>testing in a far off environment that is unfriendly in climate to the >>>>F-117. What would be the point? >>> >>>Perhaps because the DoD didn't envisage using the F-117 or its LGBs in >>>CONUS ? >>> >>>With the 4450th being declared operational in late '83, it's >>>perfectly feasible that an F-117 would have been brought to Europe to >>>undergo flight testing in weather conditions similar to those it might be >>>expected to encounter operationally. >>> >>=-===-=-=-=-== >> >>The F-117 is not an all weather aircraft. The plane does not come out of >>the hanger when the weather is inclement. In fact I have seen training >>missions cancelled and all plames returned to base when a sudden rain storm >>threatens Holloman AFB. > >You're making it sound like the weather in Scotland or the UK for that >matter is always bad. Not so. > >Perhaps you've spoken to different a/c designers than I. FWIW, I've never >spoken to one who wouldn't like to test their a/c in real world >conditions. Simulation is not real life. > >As I said before, I'm not making a case for or against the F-117 coming to >Europe before '96 - just questioning your outright dismissal of the notion. > David- My point is 1. This is simply another rumor that no one seems to provide any evidence of. So until that changes the record as we know it must indicate 96 as the first year. Point 2. is if you examine the rumor I don't see any good reasons, yet. Not to sound facetious but real world conditions imply Scotland may be an offensive target and thats why they flew to Northern Scotland. I don't understand why you need to fly outside the CONUS in order to train for a mid level bombing mission. The B-2 never trained over Yugoslavia but found it on the map. They were terribly worried about security so to establish another base anywhere outside Tonopah, let alone outside the CONUS would jeopardize this policy not to mention require a small and expensive infrastructure to support the aircraft while there. This plane flys in the middle of the night at mid level altitudes on an autopilot and in good weather. And they had relative secrecy to do this at Tonopah. They found many simulated targets within a several hundred mile radius and routinely hit available tankers to create simulated missions. I dismiss this as a rumor because in my investigations I have found no one connected to the program that believes it either. Although the USAF does have a penchant for the game of golf so hey, you never know. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:19:17 PDT From: "wayne binkley" Subject: Re: RE: Couple of things I've come across dave writes: >From: win@writer.win-uk.net (David) >Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >Subject: Re: RE: Couple of things I've come across >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:22:24 > >Wayne writes: > > >at 18:59 7/27/99 patrick wrote: > > can > >beadded to > >the list of F-117 folklore however. No one has seems to be ableto >produce > >a shred of evidence nor any sensible logic as to why the USAFwould >abandon > >the dry clear climes of the desert Southwest and go to the addedexpense >of > >testing in a far off environment that is unfriendly in climateto the > >F-117. What would be the point?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > for what its worth, i agree.consider >the > >following.during WW11 southern england was awash with airbases.there was >no > >room left for pilot training.so they did it in scotland.the weather was >so > >bad and the terrain so hostile,they were losing more pilots in training >than > >combat!so the USA offered to train some of them here.as most of their >planes > >were US made,this meant we did not have to fly them across the atlantic >so > >the "brits"could crack them up.end result?more pilots,more planes for > >combat. > >Maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet, but I don't see the connection >Wayne. > >We're not talking about rookie pilot training...which in WWII was pretty >basic and rapid over here in the UK according to the RAF combat vets I've >spoken to. > >We're talking about whether an operational a/c is likely to have had its >flight envelope extended by flying it outside CONUS over similar terrain >and in similar weather conditions as it might be expected to encounter >in combat missions. That's all. > >Given the often cited 'special relationship' between the US & the UK, the >latter would seem to be a good place to perform that type of advanced >testing, without compromising programme security. > >Dave >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx dave i >guess we here in the usa don't have any mountains shrouded in fog. makes >perfect sense to go to a foreign country with a highly classified >aircraft.WDB. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: --TIGGER-- Subject: F-117A Site Thanks Pat for posting it the first time. - -Kevin "The Best F-117A On The Web" F-117A: Aircraft Defense Information Center http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html _ _ _ \\ /_\ // \\ // \\ // \//___\\/ ______/ /|\ \______ /[[/[[/ / | \ \]]\]]\ __________________/[[/[[/ /..| .\ \]]\]]\__________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------- \_/|\_/ (_)|(_) / \ / \ ------------------------------Kevin Helm------------------------------ | Homepage: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm | _______ F-117A Site: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html ______ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: --TIGGER-- Subject: RAF Bandits (was Couple of things I've come across) Hey Pat, I have to disagreee about a lot of things you said below. First, here is a FULL list of Operational RAF Bandits:(as of Jan 99) BANDIT # NAME DATE RANK 282 GRAHAM WARDELL (RAF) 14 DEC 88 SQ LDR 354 CHRISTOPHER TOPHAM (RAF) 27 FEB 91 SQ LDR 436 IAN WOOD (RAF) 11 JAN 94 SQ LDR 481 MARK C. SUTTON (RAF) 21 FEB 96 SQ LDR 540 ALISTAIR MONKMAN (RAF) 3 APR 98 SQ LDR Second, I taked to a guy that was there and Chris Topham DID NOT fly in the gulf war. My friend was there from Feb-Sept, and said Topham wasn't there. Acording to "Stealth Fighter Pilot" Topham went to Saudi in Augest with his Jaguer unit. He got to Tonopah in time for the Nov. Training seession, but his DOE clearence didn't come through. As you can see above, he didn't qualify until Feb. 27, 1991. The war ended the next day. Now Grahm Wardell had his name on a jet, and my feriend said Topham's name was on a 417th jet also. (Maybe they just painted over Wardell's name with Topham's) However, neither went to war in the blackjet. Also, according to a pict in one of the F-117A books (don't remember which now), an F-117A made an appearence (static) at the 91 Farenbourh AS. I don't know if you were refering to flying displays, but a stealth was on European soil in 91. Also in May 1993 eight F-117A's were deployed at Gilzen Rijen in the Netherlands during the Central Enterprise exercise. So I would also have to dispute the June 96 statement as the first. - -Kevin ------------------------------Kevin Helm------------------------------ | Homepage: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm | _______ F-117A Site: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html ______ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 05:17:23 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: Couple of things I've come across At 11:44 PM 7/25/99 -0700, Dan wrote: ~~ snip ~~ Bandit 282 Sqdr. Leader Graham Wardell (RAF) December 1988 Bandit 354 Sqdr. Leader Chris Topham (RAF) February 1991 (Topham flew in the Gulf on triaining flights but when the war broke out he had to be sent back to the US and rushed thru a security clearance procedure before flying missions over Iraq.) Bandit 436 Sqdr. Leader Ian Wood (RAF) January 1994 My records indicate the first F-117 to ever fly in Britain was in June of 1996 when 4 pilots (one was Ian Wood) flew 2 F-117's there for a series of air shows. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:26:26 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: RAF Bandits (was Couple of things I've come across) At 12:04 PM 7/29/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hey Pat, I have to disagreee about a lot of things you said below. > >First, here is a FULL list of Operational RAF Bandits:(as of Jan 99) > >BANDIT # NAME DATE RANK >282 GRAHAM WARDELL (RAF) 14 DEC 88 SQ LDR >354 CHRISTOPHER TOPHAM (RAF) 27 FEB 91 SQ LDR >436 IAN WOOD (RAF) 11 JAN 94 SQ LDR >481 MARK C. SUTTON (RAF) 21 FEB 96 SQ LDR >540 ALISTAIR MONKMAN (RAF) 3 APR 98 SQ LDR > >Second, I taked to a guy that was there and Chris Topham DID NOT fly in >the gulf war. My friend was there from Feb-Sept, and said Topham wasn't >there. Acording to "Stealth Fighter Pilot" Topham went to Saudi in Augest >with his Jaguer unit. He got to Tonopah in time for the Nov. Training >seession, but his DOE clearence didn't come through. As you can see >above, he didn't qualify until Feb. 27, 1991. The war ended the next day. > I believe your version is correct. Thank you! >Also, according to a pict in one of the F-117A books (don't remember which >now), an F-117A made an appearence (static) at the 91 Farenbourh AS. I >don't know if you were refering to flying displays, but a stealth was on >European soil in 91. > Kevin I assume you will be able to identify the publication. I can't find the photo in my things. That is an interesting date. The F-117 was shown to Congressman, the day before the Andrews AFB Air Show on May 18, 1991. My point is the plane was widely displayed that very first summer. Evidently even to Europe. >Also in May 1993 eight F-117A's were deployed at Gilzen Rijen in the >Netherlands during the Central Enterprise exercise. > Again a very interesting point of information. Louise Auger has a photo at her website of several F-117's on TDY and they each have a red and white sharksmouth painted on their nose. She does not know where the picture was taken and its a mystery to me to. Is it possible her photo was taken then? The photo appears to be from, dare I say it, a deployment outside the CONUS? http://stealth.mudservices.com/louise/alternative/ Thanks for the additional information. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: --TIGGER-- Subject: Re: RAF Bandits (was Couple of things I've come across) WAPJ Special-F-117A Nighthawk. It's a book WAPJ put out combining all their previous features on the F-117A. Small correction-it was the 1991 PARIS AS. The caption says this was the first appearence outside the US not counting IRAQ. Still Europe, but not the UK. About those "shark nosed" picts, I have a theory. There were actually three that were available on Holloman's website befre they redid it. (era-late 96) They currently are archived at planepage.com. Anyways, the aircraft are wearing the 37th TFW badges, and the hangers are not HAS. (Which I think is the norm accreoss Europe) Every -117 guy I've ever talked to has said that they were fake. Here's my theory.......the pictures are at Langley AFB. When the -117 went to the gulf, they stopped overnight at Langly. Either they experiemented with the planes themselves, or on a computer, someone was trying to decided if the -117's should wear some teeth when it went off to war. That's my theory. (Note-the #'s on the wheels are airbrushed out) I have no proof except what I've been told by people that it was fake and a guy did it on a computer. - -Kevin ------------------------------Kevin Helm------------------------------ | Homepage: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm | _______ F-117A Site: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html ______ On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, patrick wrote: > At 12:04 PM 7/29/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey Pat, I have to disagreee about a lot of things you said below. > > >Also, according to a pict in one of the F-117A books (don't remember which > >now), an F-117A made an appearence (static) at the 91 Farenbourh AS. I > >don't know if you were refering to flying displays, but a stealth was on > >European soil in 91. > > > > Kevin I assume you will be able to identify the publication. I can't find > the photo in my things. That is an interesting date. The F-117 was shown > to Congressman, the day before the Andrews AFB Air Show on May 18, 1991. > My point is the plane was widely displayed that very first summer. > Evidently even to Europe. > > > > >Also in May 1993 eight F-117A's were deployed at Gilzen Rijen in the > >Netherlands during the Central Enterprise exercise. > > > Again a very interesting point of information. Louise Auger has a photo at > her website of several F-117's on TDY and they each have a red and white > sharksmouth painted on their nose. She does not know where the picture was > taken and its a mystery to me to. Is it possible her photo was taken then? > The photo appears to be from, dare I say it, a deployment outside the CONUS? > > http://stealth.mudservices.com/louise/alternative/ > > Thanks for the additional information. > > patrick > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: David Allison Subject: NASA taking ownership of SR-71 Here's some news from NASA's web site re the SR-71 program: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/PAO/PressReleases/1999/99-20.html Also testing the mailing list; it's been kind of quiet lately. - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: David Allison Subject: NASA taking ownership of SR-71 Here's some news from NASA's web site re the SR-71 program: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/PAO/PressReleases/1999/99-20.html Also testing the mailing list; I haven't heard much from it lately. - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:55:32 -0700 From: "A.J. Craddock" Subject: Lockheed Skunkworks designs came from ET craft - Ben Rich The following from William McDonald, who was the forensic artist who helped design the Testor's model of one of the downed ET craft at Roswell. This rendition can be seen at http://www.cseti.org/crashes/016.htm Note that the design is also similar to the craft that was witnessed by Cosmonaut Viktor Afanasyev, see http://www.cseti.org/position/addition/russian.htm Tony Craddock _________________ Now that John Andrews and Ben Rich are both dead, I can now share this item which I am passing on to all of you. This is serious and very real, and I am no longer holding out for John's illness. I will discuss any aspect of this with you either in private or via my OneList discussion forum. You may publish this verbatim and credit me as the source. Sorry my system got so glitchy. Bill McDonald Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:43:15 -0700 From: "William L. & Lori M. McDonald" Subject: Excerpt from my OneList discussion with Hal Puthoff Hal was pointing out the obvious. This is precisely what I have been closing my lectures with for the past four years. How can anyone miss the comparison that my Stingray/Porpoise-like Chimaera design has in common with the three "Aurora" planes, the F-117 Nighthawk, the TR-3A "Black Manta," and even the original old YF-12A/SR-71 Blackbird spy planes of Kelly Johnson's Genius. Well Hal, you asked for it! Now that legendary Lockheed engineer and Chief model kit designer for the Testor Corporation, John Andrews is dead, I can announce that he personally confirmed the design connection between the Roswell Spacecraft and the Lockheed Martin Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs), spyplanes, Joint Strike Fighters, and Space Shuttles. He was a close personal friend of "Skunk Works" CEO Ben Rich, the hand picked successor of Kelly Johnson, the man famous for the F-117 Nighthawk "Stealth" fighter, it's half-pint prototype the HAVE BLUE, and the top secret F-19 Stealth Interceptor. Before Rich died of cancer, Andrews took my questions to him. Rich confirmed: 1. There are two types of UFOs. The ones we build, and the ones THEY build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "Hand-me-downs." The Government knew, and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After the 1969 Nixon "Purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector. 2. "'An' item", as opposed to "'The' item" was recovered near the world's only combat operational atom bomb base (Roswell AAF) in 1947. Hull design, aerodynamic measurements, propulsion info was passed directly to Jack Northrop and Kelly Johnson, beginning in 1950, with a major block of data being passed on from "The Working Group" at Wright Patterson AFB's Foreign Technologies Division in 1952. "'The' item" refers to the top secret designation of Kelly's original variant of the U-2 (TR-1) spy plane in congressional and Pentagon budgets in the 1950s. 3. Nearly all "Biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird, onward to today's drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft. 4. The inward canted vertical stabilizers of the F-19, the HAVE BLUE, many drones, some UCAVs, and the SR-71 matched the 30 degree inward cant of the Roswell spacecraft's shark fin shaped pair of vertical stabs or "Winglets." Same goes for the wing camber to fuselage "Blend" of the airframe designs. 5. The outward cants of the F-22 Raptor, the F-117, the McDonnell Douglas YF-23, and the TACIT BLUE stealth concept prototypes perform similar aerodynamic functions for stability in high performance flight. 6. Rich observed that the impression Kelly Johnson's contacts had was a negative impression and Kelly implied in rare conversations on the subject that "Factions" from "Out there" were a threat, more than they were a blessing, and that the cost of having "Them" around was "Unimaginable" and "Unbelievable." 7. It was Ben Rich's opinion, that the public should not be told. He believed they could not handle the truth, ever. Only in the last months of his decline did he begin to feel that the "International corporate board of directors" dealing with the "Subject," could represent a bigger problem to citizens' personal freedoms under the United States Constitution than the presence of offworld visitors themselves. Andrews passed this information on to me in stages, from 1994 until my last phone conversation with him around the Christmas holidays of 1998 END ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stan Brown" Subject: Re: NASA taking ownership of SR-71 > >Here's some news from NASA's web site re the SR-71 program: > > http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/PAO/PressReleases/1999/99-20.html > Wonderful! Did they also turn over the spares to NASA? Or is this just a mehtod of getting out of the SR-71 bus., and assuring they won;t fly for long (no spares)? - -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. - -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - - (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:58:37 EDT From: MSU94@aol.com Subject: RAF Bandits....England re visited... >""Also, according to a pict in one of the F-117A books (don't remember which >now), an F-117A made an appearence (static) at the 91 Farenbourh AS. I >don't know if you were refering to flying displays, but a stealth was on >European soil in 91."" Nope....try 86....along with a deployment of A-7s to bentwaters at the same time...You knowe the A-7s with the LV tail code? (still 4450 squadron) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: --TIGGER-- Subject: Re: RAF Bandits....England re visited... Yeah, I've read stuf about the A-7's being spotted over there, but never any specifics about the -117 rumors. Do you have any details???? 1986???? That's the same year those 2 Bosco Down pilots came to Groom to "evaluate" the F-117A. I wonder....... - -Kevin Helm ------------------------------Kevin Helm------------------------------ | Homepage: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm | _______ F-117A Site: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html ______ On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 MSU94@aol.com wrote: > >""Also, according to a pict in one of the F-117A books (don't remember which > >now), an F-117A made an appearence (static) at the 91 Farenbourh AS. I > >don't know if you were refering to flying displays, but a stealth was on > >European soil in 91."" > > Nope....try 86....along with a deployment of A-7s to bentwaters at the same > time...You knowe the A-7s with the LV tail code? (still 4450 squadron) > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:30:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary Shafer Subject: Re: NASA taking ownership of SR-71 We always had the spares. That was part of what the USAF was paying us for in the reactivation, because we had a stores specialist and a parts runner (the spares are in a warehouse in a military facility in Barstow, hence the runner). When they started using the spares, they started sharing the cost. We'd also used up the entire amount of JP-7 that they'd transferred to us, so they had to have more refined. They also had another run of tank sealant produced, since we were down to one can, and so on. Plus, they paid for star map updates, which we couldn't afford, so now we're almost current (the stars drift just enough that a new star map update is needed yearly for precision navigation). Since we're not doing recce, we could get by with the drift for a few years, but the drift was getting pretty bad. Quite some time ago, the update cost was in the low six figures and nothing ever gets cheaper in aerospace. I think they also got a new order of pyros (canopy jettison and e-seat operation, as well as guillotine cutters for ground egress). When I was pricing similar pyros for the F-104s, an order was about $250,000. That's part of the reason we grounded our F-104s finally. They repaired the hot gig, too. The reactivation didn't do us any harm at all, as we ended up with access to a lot of things we'd have had to pay the full price for, even though we only needed a small quantity at the time. Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com "Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end...." On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Stan Brown wrote: > > > >Here's some news from NASA's web site re the SR-71 program: > > > > http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/PAO/PressReleases/1999/99-20.html > > > > Wonderful! Did they also turn over the spares to NASA? Or is this just > a mehtod of getting out of the SR-71 bus., and assuring they won;t fly > for long (no spares)? > > -- > Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 > Westvaco > Charleston SC. > -- > Windows 98: n. > useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and > a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system > originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit > company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. > - > (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:33:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary Shafer Subject: Re: RAF Bandits....England re visited... That's Boscombe Down, home of the Empire Test Pilot School. No chocolate syrup involved at all. It's not very far from Stonehenge, by the way. Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com "Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end...." On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, --TIGGER-- wrote: > Yeah, I've read stuf about the A-7's being spotted over there, but never > any specifics about the -117 rumors. Do you have any details???? 1986???? > That's the same year those 2 Bosco Down pilots came to Groom to "evaluate" > the F-117A. I wonder....... ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V8 #87 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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