From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V8 #92 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Wednesday, August 11 1999 Volume 08 : Number 092 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: A trip to the bookstore... Re: Early depictions of stealth technology Re: Early depictions of stealth technology RE: A trip to the bookstore... Comprehensive TWA 800 site FWD: (UASR) Aircraft lighting Re: Comprehensive TWA 800 site Budgets Re: Comprehensive TWA 800 site FWD: (FT/SW) Re: Black aircraft and UFOs Re: Comprehensive TWA 800 site EBIZ = 1,2,3...4 CASH *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: --TIGGER-- Subject: Re: A trip to the bookstore... Well, my first advise for everybody is to buy it from Amazon.com-$21.00 plus 4 S&H. Also, the "Stars and Stripes" pict was published in a magazine....about 4 to 6 months agao. (And I've had a representaion on my site for about the same length that I created with no visual aids.) I was pretty impressed with myself when I opened the book and saw that pict for the first time :) Overall, the Crickmore book is GREAT. When it comes to the Testing and interviews, this book is amazing. In my opinion it's 50/50 on the picts....50% are amazing, and 50% are old rehashes. The same with the non-test flight related info in the book-50% is good, 50% is ok rehashed, there are sections that are just the same old same old. HOWEVER, the book is worth it JUST for the test flight history. Gripes: 1. Sometimes there are awesome captions...that are matched with generic pictures. Othertimes, the new picts have matching captions. Occasionally it is hard to tell if the pict with the 1983 bomb drop testing is from 1983 (authintic), or 1993 (Stock). A tad annoying and misleading if you ask me. I would have prefered the author to say "This picture is not the testing that happened in 1983 that I'm talkimg about". There is one pict that talks about 1983 testing, but shows a -117 in Holoman (1992) markings. (This isn't the only case, just one that sticks out in my mind). 2. Also, info is rehashed. The Nose ARt is the same that appeared in Team Stealth and We Own the Night, the Desert Storm Missions are available online (Declassified reports), and were retold in Stealth Fighter Pilot. (I just gt finished getting the two above things ready to go onto my site-hopefully this week) Some people haven;t seen those books before and don't realize that info isn't brand spanking new. The Bandit listing.....I'm impressed. However, I have him beat by six months ;) (I'm slowly adding pages to my website) Still, good work there. Overall........BUY IT FOR THE TEST FLIGHT INFO, INTERVIEWS, AND NEW PICTS. The other stuff is good, but not as spectacular. - -Kevin Helm PS_I'm only 100 pages into the book so far. Blazeck's book about F-117A patches apparently disagrees with what has been traditionally said about the original units...and I beileve this book follows those same lines. So who do you believe-Blazeck vs. Everyone else (Including this new book)???? "The Best F-117A On The Web" F-117A: Aircraft Defense Information Center http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html _ _ _ \\ /_\ // \\ // \\ // \//___\\/ ______/ /|\ \______ /[[/[[/ / | \ \]]\]]\ __________________/[[/[[/ /..| .\ \]]\]]\__________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------- \_/|\_/ (_)|(_) / \ / \ ------------------------------Kevin Helm------------------------------ | Homepage: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm | _______ F-117A Site: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html ______ On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl wrote: > Secondly, I got the new F-117 book: "F-117 Nighthawk", by Paul F. Crickmore > and (his wife) Alison J. Crickmore, published by MBI Publishing (Motorbooks), > 1999, ISBN: 0-7603-0585-4. (Absolutely worth its $29.95). > > This hardcover book with high quality, glossy paper, and many large-size > photos, is another Skunk Works fan "must have". It even contains several > "new" (to me) photos, including the previously unreleased photo of ship > '782' with the "stars and stripes" underside! > > Also included is an updated list of Bandits (up to 546, June 30, 1998), and > individual aircraft histories -- not listing any USAF serials, though, just > article numbers, but up to and including the loss of '806' in Yugoslavia. > > As opposed to Jane's "How to Fly and Fight in the F-117A Stealth Fighter" > (for $18), it actually has an OCIP Cockpit layout with many instrument > descriptions, and much better historical data -- something the Janes' book > is nearly completely missing. > > -- Andreas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:52:26 +0200 From: Urban Fredriksson Subject: Re: Early depictions of stealth technology "Allen Thomson" wrote: > A question, maybe a FAQ: are there other examples in early fiction or > semi-fiction (e.g., Popular Mechanics writing) of radar stealth based on > real physical principles, as opposed to magic or imaginary future > science? How much earlier than 1953 do they go? Robert Heinlein's _Between Planets_ from 1951 has ground vehicles (hovercraft?) on Venus radar stealthed from above by being shaped like reflective cones. - -- Urban Fredriksson griffon@canit.se http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:48:32 -0400 From: "James P. Stevenson" Subject: Re: Early depictions of stealth technology Don't forget the German work with stealth on its flying wing designs in WWII. However, they were not fiction. Jim Stevenson > "Allen Thomson" wrote: > >> A question, maybe a FAQ: are there other examples in early fiction or >> semi-fiction (e.g., Popular Mechanics writing) of radar stealth based on >> real physical principles, as opposed to magic or imaginary future >> science? How much earlier than 1953 do they go? > > Robert Heinlein's _Between Planets_ from 1951 has ground vehicles > (hovercraft?) on Venus radar stealthed from above by being shaped > like reflective cones. > -- > Urban Fredriksson griffon@canit.se > http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:46:37 -0700 From: Erik Hoel Subject: RE: A trip to the bookstore... Andreas wrote: > After my AW&ST and AI (AirInternational) arrived in the mail today, I also > made a trip to the bookstore, and picked up some Skunk Works-related items. ... ... First off - thanks Andreas for the reviews. Glad to know I can save the $2.95 (snicker) and apply it toward the $29.95 item. This is one aspect of the list that I've always enjoyed, namely, good reviews and pointers to various books that are related to this domain. I've ended up buying numerous books (and avoiding an equal number) based upon what the knowledgeable members of this list have said. I'd really encourage others to provide their reviews when they encounter books that would be of interest to member of this list. Also, I enjoy hearing what projects certain terrific authors are up to (e.g., Jay Miller, Paul Crickmore), and when said work will be available. Erik - -- Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:45:48 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: Comprehensive TWA 800 site Before AWST (Aviation Week & Space Technology) shuts him down... < http://www.corazon.com/800avweekintrigue.html > Check out this interesting site on the TWA 800 incident. Takes a few minutes to load... - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:27:20 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: FWD: (UASR) Aircraft lighting I don't know of any books or sites describing light configurations on individual aircraft. However, all aircraft have to meet clearly defined airworthiness standards, including lighting equipment. You may want to check out the below link to FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) Part 25 containing the below paragraphs regarding details on lighting equipment required on transport aircraft in the USA. For the most part, these are international regulations that are also applicable in other countries. http://www.fedworld.gov/pub/faa-ri/far-25.txt (661,728 Bytes) Lights 25.1383 Landing lights. 25.1385 Position light system installation. 25.1387 Position light system dihedral angles. 25.1389 Position light distribution and intensities. 25.1391 Minimum intensities in the horizontal plane of forward and rear position lights. 25.1393 Minimum intensities in any vertical plane of forward and rear position lights. 25.1395 Maximum intensities in overlapping beams of forward and rear position lights. 25.1397 Color specifications. 25.1399 Riding light. 25.1401 Anticollision light system. 25.1403 Wing icing detection lights. Hope this helps. Please let us at UASR know if you come across other interesting information. Best regards, Frits Westra - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:22:21 -0700 From: "A.J. Craddock" Subject: Re: Comprehensive TWA 800 site - --=====================_16225844==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Received this today. Tony Craddock ____________ ABC has cancelled a production by produced by Oliver Stone about the downing of TWA Flight 800 and why it was likely downed by a missile. Write David Westin, President of ABC News westind@abc.com and urge him to broadcast the Stone documentary. Emil _______________ At 06:45 PM 8/10/99 -0700, Terry W. Colvin wrote: >Before AWST (Aviation Week & Space Technology) shuts him down... > >< http://www.corazon.com/800avweekintrigue.html > > >Check out this interesting site on the TWA 800 incident. >Takes a few minutes to load... > >-- >Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > >Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 > >Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * > TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program >------------ >Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List > TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > >Southeast Asia (SEA) service: >Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade > (Jan 71 - Aug 72) >Thailand/Laos > - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand > (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) > - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand > (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site > (Aug 73 - Jan 74) > - --=====================_16225844==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Received this today.

Tony Craddock
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ABC has cancelled a production by produced by Oliver Stone about the downing
of TWA Flight 800 and why it was likely downed by a missile.

Write David Westin, President of ABC News westind@abc.com and urge him to
broadcast the Stone documentary.

Emil

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At 06:45 PM 8/10/99 -0700, Terry W. Colvin wrote:
>Before AWST (Aviation Week & Space Technology) shuts him down...
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>< http://www.corazon.com/800avweekintrigue.html >
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>Check out this interesting site on the TWA 800 incident.
>Takes a few minutes to load...
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>--
>Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com >
>Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 >
>Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage *
>   TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program
>------------
>Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List
>   TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org >
>Southeast Asia (SEA) service:
>Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade
>   (Jan 71 - Aug 72)
>Thailand/Laos
> - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand
>   (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73)
> - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand
>   (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site
>   (Aug 73 - Jan 74)
> - --=====================_16225844==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:55:01 +0100 From: "Gavin Payne" Subject: Budgets This was on the AFNS today. Good excuse for comments. Good to see mention of the F-22 still and upgrades to the B-52. I've yet to see though what still needs to be done to the B-2 warrants 112.3 million USD (5.3 million USD per aircraft). Why make what is supposed to be the world's best bomber even better, why not bring other platforms up to the same level? No mention of more U-2s yet though. Gavin >The bill also authorizes several increases for Air Force procurement, >including $1.6 billion for the F-22 Raptor, $54 million for an additional 12 >Joint Primary Air Training System aircraft, $20 million for additional >Predator unmanned aerial vehicles and multiple modifications for F-15 and >F-16 fighters. > >Additionally, the conference committee approved several increases for Air >Force research and development, including $112.3 million for B-2 bomber >upgrades; $30 million for alternate engine development for the Joint Strike >Fighter; $15.4 for B-52 radar upgrades and an increase of $40 million for >the Minuteman III Guidance Replacement Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:19:23 -0700 From: patrick Subject: Re: Comprehensive TWA 800 site At 01:22 PM 8/11/99 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Received this today. Tony Craddock ____________ ABC has cancelled a production by produced by Oliver Stone about the downing of TWA Flight 800 and why it was likely downed by a missile. Write David Westin, President of ABC News 0000,0000,ffffwestind@abc.com and urge him to broadcast the Stone documentary. What? And go against the Tri-Lateral Commission. They brought that plane down for a reason and far be it for me to question their motives. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:34:54 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: FWD: (FT/SW) Re: Black aircraft and UFOs "Terry W. Colvin" forwarded: > (snip) >In this particular case, the road was closed for a Tornado >to land trailing a towed decoy (I don't know why the decoy >could not be winched back to the aircraft...(snip)...and >ejecting said pod would cause the loss of some very expensive, >if not irreplaceable, equipment. This is entirely reasonable. It's a fairly common operating procedure not to fit the pyrotechnic devices into the pylons that permit stores (i.e. equipment attached externally to the aircraft) to be jettisoned in flight. High value items such as electronic countermeasures pods, reconnaissance equipment (including cameras and electronic sensors), data link pods, weapons aiming pods (such as thermal imaging and laser designating pods) often have the ability to jettison them disabled to prevent inadvertently releasing them. (Combat aircraft have a "clear all pylons" option that releases stores in the event of an emergency. With avionics pods costing millions of pounds sterling it's understandable that there's some reluctance to run the risk of dumping them on a back-of-beyond moorland somewhere.) Closing roads is a safety precaution in the event of an undershoot. There are a number of airfields that have sections of road that are in line with runways with sets of traffic lights and no-parking zones to prevent vehicles standing in hazardous areas. "Store" is a generic name for a device attached externally to a military aircraft. It can be almost anything from a free-fall bomb or a fuel tank to a more complex piece of equipment such as an avionics pod, flight refuelling pod, towed target, trailed low frequency antenna, etc. Some of the ultra low frequency communications systems, of the type used to maintain contact with submerged submarines, can trail an antenna wire up to ten thousand metres (yes, ten kilometres!) long. Large stores, including flight refuelling pods that trail probe-and-drogue hoses cannot be jettisoned. If the hose reel motor fails and the hose itself cannot be jettisoned then the safety precautions described above would be put into effect at the receiving airfield. Aircraft that report "hung" weapons (rockets, bombs, etc.) that have failed to release when commanded, also require certain safety precautions to be observed when the aircraft lands, since the touch-down impact could trigger the store or weapon to operate or deploy. Regards, Robin Hill, BAe Brough, East Yorkshire. - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean@primenet.com > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/8832 > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 99 03:31:40 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: Comprehensive TWA 800 site On 8/11/99 7:19PM, in message <3.0.1.32.19990811191923.00770884@e-z.net>, patrick wrote: > > > > > ABC has cancelled a production by produced by Oliver Stone about the > downing > > of TWA Flight 800 and why it was likely downed by a missile. > > > Write David Westin, President of ABC News > 0000,0000,ffffwestind@abc.com > > and urge him to > > broadcast the Stone documentary. > > > > What? And go against the Tri-Lateral Commission. They brought that plane down > for a reason and far be it for me to question their motives. > But Oliver Stone would be involved! 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I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 19 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq. I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn'tdelete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA I am nearing the $90,000 mark from this program.I have used several forms of advertisement.I used regular mail and bulk e-mail. The regular mail that I used was very expensive for two reasons. I purchased a very select list of names and the postage. The third time I sent e-mails out,I did so in the quantity of 1 million. So, after 3 times participating in this program I am almost at the $90,000 mark. That isn't too bad. I hope the same success for you. . Good Luck. Raymond McCormick, New Cannan, Ct. You have great potential for extra earnings that is available at your finger-tips! You have unlimited access to wealth, but you must be willing to take that first step! The Media ALREADY PROVED That !!!! You could be making an obscene amount of money! I have given you the information, materials, and opportunity to become financially better off. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!- THINK ABOUT IT - Your risk is only $20.? 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