From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V8 #102 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Friday, September 3 1999 Volume 08 : Number 102 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: Iran rescue Hercules Edwards AFB History Channel Re: Edwards AFB RE: History Channel RE: History Channel Fwd: AV Press: NASA Concepts Re: History Channel RE: History Channel RE: History Channel *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:15:42 EDT From: JNiessen@aol.com Subject: Re: Iran rescue Hercules Mary, et. al., You're indeed wrong on the pilot. It was good friend Neil Anderson...who's still alive, well, and flying (in T-28s these days, rather than F-16s). All the best, Jay Miller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: Edwards AFB Hey guys, today I was in Edwards AFB and saw the F-22 Raptor 01 taxing to her hangar, and next to the hangar was a SR-71 with the two vertical stabilizer removed! Anyone know which SR-71 was and what was doing there? Also saw the Raptor 02 with a orange cylinder attached to the top back of the airplane, anyone know what is it? Looks like a camera or a spin recover chute. Ah, I also saw the SR-71B with the tail number 831. May the Force be with you Wei-Jen Su E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Every man dies; not every man really lives" Braveheart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:04:30 -0500 From: "Tom C Robison" Subject: History Channel Upcoming programs on the History channel: Sunday -- 09/12/1999 10:00/7:00 History Undercover. Top Secret: Spy Planes of the Cold War. Join host Arthur Kent as he uncovers new information about secret spy plane missions flown over communist territories during the Cold War. Over 10,000 missions were flown; many were tracked and attacked by the U.S.S.R., Red China, and North Korea. The most famous was C.I.A. agent pilot Gary Powers, shot down in 1960 over the Soviet Union. [TV G] Tuesday -- 09/14/1999 10:00/7:00 Stealth Technology. A look at the F-117 Stealth Fighter that led the pack for the Allies in the Gulf War and virtually decimated Baghdad. Find out how the technology allows it to approach its target without being detected by radar. Also, a look at the B-2 Stealth Bomber. (cc) [TV G] Thursday -- 09/16/1999 10:00/7:00 NORAD: The War Game Fortress. Takes you into the top-secret headquarters of America's nuclear missile warning center, hidden deep in the mountains of Colorado. (cc) [TV G] Tuesday -- 09/21/1999 10:00/7:00 Radar. Examines the history of radar, focusing on its role in the Allies' victory in WWII. From the Chain Home Network, rudimentary radar towers that ringed England's eastern coast, to the role of Boston's MIT in developing a smuggled English secret-- the cavity magnetron. (cc) [TV G] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:04:14 PDT From: "wayne binkley" Subject: Re: Edwards AFB The US Air Force's new air superiority fighter, the F-22 Raptor, flew in excess of 60 degrees angle of attack during flight testing Aug. 25, at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., reaching another milestone and satisfying another flight-test requirement mandated by the Department of Defence. The milestone, combined with extensive, high angle-of-attack manoeuvring, completed the fourth of five flight-test criteria established by DOD and the Air Force for 1999. The flight-test criteria, along with other programme requirements, must be completed successfully to demonstrate to defence department officials that the F-22 is ready for Low Rate Initial Production. "We've met the requirement to demonstrate high angle of attack post-stall flight with thrust vectoring for the Defence Acquisition Board's programme review later this year," said Brig. Gen. Michael Mushala, F-22 programme director. "With only one more '99 flight-test requirement to meet, I'm confident that our team will rise to the challenge." Flight-test criteria already met this year includes: flying at an altitude of 50,000 feet; opening side and main weapons bay doors in flight; and supercruise (flying at 1.5 Mach or greater without afterburner). A fifth requirement, flight in specific, high-speed regions of the F-22's envelope, is expected to be completed before the Defence Acquisition Board convenes in December. The DAB, chaired by Dr. Jaques Gansler, under-secretary of defence for acquisition and technology, will determine if the F-22 programme is mature enough to move to the LRIP phase of building fighters that will be flown in the field by operational line pilots. Meeting the five prescribed flight-test criteria is necessary for the board to grant full contract award for the programme's first six production F-22s, or Lot 1, and advanced-buy contract award for Lot 2, which represents 10 production F-22s. So far, the programme's two flight-test aircraft, located at the F-22's Combined Test Force at Edwards have flown more than 150 sorties and 330 hours; collected more than 4,500 ground and flight-test data-points; and demonstrated flight at 7 G's. The F-22 also made its first supersonic run at 1.2 Mach with weapons bay doors open, and the engine has remained stall-free throughout the high-alpha flight envelope explored to date. "We're delighted with the results of the high angle-of-attack testing," said Tom Farmer, director of Pratt &Whitney's F119/F-22 programme. "This test demonstrates that attention to engine stability and operability in the design phase has paid off. " A third flight-test F-22 is expected to fly early next year. The fourth flight-test F-22, the first Raptor with its advanced avionics installed, is scheduled to fly next summer. In all, there will be nine flight-test F-22s in the engineering and manufacturing development phase of the programme. The first six production F-22s will support operational test and evaluation at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. The F-22, the Air Force's chosen replacement for the ageing F-15 air superiority fighter, is being developed by ASC to counter lethal threats posed by advanced surface-to-air missile systems and next-generation fighters equipped with launch-and-leave missiles >From: Wei-Jen Su >Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >To: Skunk Works >Subject: Edwards AFB >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:53:58 -0700 (PDT) > > > Hey guys, today I was in Edwards AFB and saw the F-22 Raptor 01 >taxing to her hangar, and next to the hangar was a SR-71 with the two >vertical stabilizer removed! Anyone know which SR-71 was and what was >doing there? Also saw the Raptor 02 with a orange cylinder attached to the >top back of the airplane, anyone know what is it? Looks like a camera or a >spin recover chute. Ah, I also saw the SR-71B with the tail number 831. > > May the Force be with you > > Wei-Jen Su > E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "Every man dies; not every man really lives" > > Braveheart > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 17:30:00 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: RE: History Channel What's this Horton 18 they're talking about on the History Channel.... some Nazi bomber that could have gotten across the Atlantic and dropped a nuclear weapon on the US? Anybody? Don't know if this has anything to do with the Horton flying wing designs of the 1950's... Greg W ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:50:56 -0500 From: "T. Generaux" Subject: RE: History Channel On Thu, 02 Sep 1999, you wrote: > What's this Horton 18 they're talking about on the History Channel.... some Nazi > bomber that could have gotten across the Atlantic and dropped a nuclear weapon > on the US? Anybody? > > Don't know if this has anything to do with the Horton flying wing designs of the > 1950's... > > Greg W The Horton brothers did most of their work on flying wings in the 1940's - getting as far as building a prototype. It is generally written up has having never flown, but I wonder. A lot of engineering records were destroyed, along with prototypes, and one, has to assume, flying examples. I don't have my reference library right to hand, but I'll look it up when I get home this evening. Tom G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:03:35 -0400 From: Gunman and Jacks Subject: Fwd: AV Press: NASA Concepts > > > Subject: AV Press: NASA Concepts > > http://www.avpress.com/n/tusty2.hts > > Posted Tuesday, 31-Aug-1999 10:50:01 PDT > > > NASA picks new flight concepts > > > > > This story appeared in the Antelope Valley Press August 31, 1999. > > By MICHAEL BITTON > Valley Press Staff Writer > > ---------- > EDWARDS AFB - A blimp, a new flying wing and a Mach 3 engine will be the next > advanced aeronautical concepts tested at Dryden Flight Research Center at > Edwards Air Force Base in the new millennium. > > These will be the first three advanced aeronautical concepts for NASA's new > Revolutionary Concepts (REVCON) project at Dryden. Each will be tested at > Edwards Air Force Base. > > REVCON encourages development of ideas that could lead to revolutionary > experimental airplanes. > > NASA announced Monday the first REVCON products will be AeroCraft, a piloted, > partially buoyant airship; the Blended-Wing Body, a powered, remotely > piloted, flying wing configuration; and the Pulse Detonation Engine, a design > geared toward lower maintenance and operations costs. > > AeroCraft is designed to serve a market that requires transportation faster > than ocean freight but cheaper than air freight. If successful, the concept > could dramatically improve cargo transportation. > > The project partners are NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, NASA's Ames > Research Center at Moffett Field and MicroCraft in Tullahoma, Tenn. Lockheed > Martin Skunk Works and American Blimp Co. in Hillsboro, Ore., will have > supporting roles. > > American Blimp has built 20 manned aircraft in the past nine years, making it > the largest manufacturer of manned airships in the world, said Jim Theile, > its founder and president. The majority of promotional blimps, including the > Good Year and Budweiser blimps, were produced by American Blimp, Theile said. > All continue to be operated by his company. > > Proposed AeroCraft flight experiments will be conducted on a scale model of > AeroCraft at Dryden in 2001, with $10 million in funding. > > The Blended Wing Body research aircraft may bring better fuel efficiency, > higher maximum takeoff weight and cut direct operating costs for commercial > carriers, which could mean lower costs for airline customers. > > The project is a partnership between NASA's Langley Research Center in > Hampton, Va., Dryden, Ames and the Boeing Co.'s Phantom Works. > > The Blended Wing's first flight at Dryden is scheduled for 2002 and is funded > for $1.5 million. > > The Pulse Detonation Engine is considered a revolutionary approach to future > high-speed jet propulsion and is expected to use fewer parts than existing > jet engines for increased simplicity. It is designed to provide higher > propulsion efficiency and result in lower maintenance and operating costs. > > The engine will be tested in a wind tunnel at NASA's Glenn Research Center in > Cleveland, Ohio. At Dryden, the system will be flown on NASA research > aircraft. Eventually, it will be connected to an SR-71 Blackbird spyplane and > fired to a speed of Mach 3. Live fire tests for the $9.6 million project are > expected to take place in 2002. > > The three concepts will become the first element of the REVCON project to use > the ongoing flight research program led by Dryden to develop revolutionary > aeronautical concepts. > > The project also seeks to advance traditional approaches to aerospace > technology, and to create methods to reduce development and certification > time for new aircraft and flight systems. > > As these projects work through the early phases of development, NASA's Office > of Aero-Space Technology will issue a NASA Research announcement to solicit > new ideas for future REVCON selections. > > The Dryden Flight Research Center is the lead center for the REVCON project. > > ---------- > Tuesday news page > News page > Valley Press home page > > > Uploaded August 31, 1999 > > > > > > © 1999 Antelope Valley Press, Palmdale, California, USA (661) 273-2700 - ------------------------------------------------ Gunman and Jacks PGP Key Available (see headers) - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:19:48 -0700 From: "calcity" Subject: Re: History Channel Thanks, Dick. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom C Robison To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 08:04 Subject: History Channel > > > Upcoming programs on the History channel: > > Sunday -- 09/12/1999 > > 10:00/7:00 History Undercover. Top Secret: Spy Planes of the Cold War. > Join host Arthur Kent as he uncovers new information about secret spy > plane missions flown over communist territories during the Cold War. > Over 10,000 missions were flown; many were tracked and attacked by the > U.S.S.R., Red China, and North Korea. The most famous was C.I.A. agent > pilot Gary Powers, shot down in 1960 over the Soviet Union. [TV G] > > Tuesday -- 09/14/1999 > 10:00/7:00 Stealth Technology. A look at the F-117 Stealth Fighter that > led the pack for the Allies in the Gulf War and virtually decimated > Baghdad. Find out how the technology allows it to approach its target > without being detected by radar. Also, a look at the B-2 Stealth Bomber. > (cc) [TV G] > > Thursday -- 09/16/1999 > 10:00/7:00 NORAD: The War Game Fortress. Takes you into the top-secret > headquarters of America's nuclear missile warning center, hidden deep in > the mountains of Colorado. (cc) [TV G] > > Tuesday -- 09/21/1999 > 10:00/7:00 Radar. Examines the history of radar, focusing on its role > in the Allies' victory in WWII. From the Chain Home Network, rudimentary > radar towers that ringed England's eastern coast, to the role of > Boston's MIT in developing a smuggled English secret-- the cavity > magnetron. (cc) [TV G] > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Subject: RE: History Channel Greg W. asked: >What's this Horton 18 they're talking about on the History Channel.... >some Nazi bomber that could have gotten across the Atlantic and dropped a >nuclear weapon on the US? Anybody? >Don't know if this has anything to do with the Horton flying wing designs >of the 1950's... and Tom G. responded: >The Horton brothers did most of their work on flying wings in the 1940's - >getting as far as building a prototype. It is generally written up has >having never flown, but I wonder. A lot of engineering records were >destroyed, along with prototypes, and one, has to assume, flying examples. >I don't have my reference library right to hand, but I'll look it up when I >get home this evening. First, the name is Horten, not Horton! Incidentally, there was a single modified Cessna UC-78, registered "N39C", and named "Horton Wingless", (Model "HW-X-26-52") c/n "HW-X26-52", by its designer William E. Horton of Santa Ana, California (or Henderson, Nevada ?) The aircraft was equipped with a strange blended-wing fuselage with large wing fences, and was powered by two 225 hp Jacobs (or Wright R-985 ?) piston engines. It flew for the first time in 1951/52, but was destroyed (burned) after no financial backers for its series production could be found, even though it is still registered in the FAA database (FAA type is 056-01-NU). The Horten brothers, Walter and Reimar, established the Horten Flugzeugbau GmbH, in Bonn, in 1943, but had designed and built many powered and unpowered (glider) aircraft since 1933, most of which were flying wing designs, including 2 prototypes of the H IX (8-229) twin-engine jet fighter. The first (H IX V-1) was an unpowered glider, and was found (disassembled) by advancing US troops in Brandis at the end of the war. It was apparently destroyed there, rather than shipped to the US. The second prototype (the H IX V-2), made its first jet-powered flight on 02/02/1945 at Oranienburg, with Leutnant Erwin Ziller on the controls. The aircraft was completely destroyed when it crashed on its third test flight there on 02/18/1945, killing the pilot Erwin Ziller, who had also made the second flight on 02/03/1945. Loss of power in the starboard engine (and subsequent loss of hydraulic pressure) seemed to have been the main reason for the crash, even though it was never established why Ziller neither used his radio nor his ejection seat and parachute during the emergency, and loss of consciousness, maybe due to fumes in the cockpit, was suspected as a contributing cause. The third prototype (the H IX V-3) was nearly completed at the end of the war, and was built (in modified form) by the Gothaer Waggonfabrik as the Gotha Go 229 (sometimes also known as Horten Ho 229). It was captured by US forces on 04/15/1945 at Friedrichsrode, together with parts of other aircraft (including the incomplete V-4, V-5 and V-6, the last one being the armed production-representative night-fighter model), and was assigned the foreign equipment number "FE-490", later changed to "T2-490". It is now stored at the Paul E. Garber facility of the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum (NASM), at Silver Hill, Maryland, awaiting urgently needed restoration. The Horten Ho XVIII was a planned intercontinental flying wing jet bomber, not unlike the Northrop YB-49/YRB-49A and B-2A Spirit "family" of bombers, but with large fairings for the landing gears, which doubled as stabilizing fins. The first prototype was only half completed, when it was captured by US troops in April 1945, and was subsequently scrapped. Its intended weapons load, a nuclear bomb to destroy New York or Washington, was (thankfully) just a pipe dream. Some technical data for the Horten H XVIII prototype: Wingspan: 42 m / 138 ft 9.5 in. (appr.) Length: 19 m / 62 ft 4 in. (appr.) Height: 5.8 m / 19 ft 1 in. (appr.) Engines: 6 Junkers Jumo 109-004B-2 with 900 kp / 1,984 lb thrust each Max Speed: 820 km/h / 510 mph / 443 kt (estimated) Cruise Speed: 750 km/h / 466 mph / 405 kt (estimated) The Horten H VIII, c/n 41, a transport aircraft of similar size, was even originally planned to be completed after its capture by British forces, but this plan was never followed through with, and the aircraft was also scrapped shortly afterwards. Various other Horten flying wing designs, mostly gliders, were captured and brought to the UK and USA, several of which were given to Northrop (the obvious choice) for study. They included the following, as far as I know: * Horten H II, Werknummer (c/n) 6, (possibly ex "D-10-125"), used for Go 229 V-5 and V-6 aerodynamic testing, now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IIIh, c/n ?, (maybe assigned "FE-7" and "T2-7"), now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IIIh, c/n 31, coded "LA-AI", became "FE-5041" and "T2-5041", tandem two-seater, studied by Northrop, now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IIIf, c/n 32, became "FE-5039" and "T2-5039", single seater, studied by Northrop, now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IV, Ho 251, Horten 8-251, c/n 25, registered "D-10-1451", later coded "LA-AC", originally tested by the RAE (Royal Aircraft Establishment at Farnborough) in the UK with Royal Air Force serial "VP543", and after many other civil owners in the USA (still registered "N79289"), and tests at the Mississippi State University, was last reported at the Planes of Fame museum, Chino, California. Incidentally, it is listed incorrectly in the FAA database as HORTON IV, with c/n "HAC289", (FAA type is 056-03-QP), and is also marked as "Sale Reported". The new c/n comes from the Hawkridge Glider Company at Denham, UK, who refurbished the aircraft in 1950, before it found its way to the USA; * Horten H VI V-2, c/n 34, became "FE-5040" and "T2-5040", single seater, studied by Northrop, now also stored at Silver Hill; Another Horten H IV, Ho 251, Horten 8-251, c/n 26, registered "D-10-1452", later coded "LA-AD", was used by the BAFO (British Air Forces of Occupation) Gliding Club at Scharfoldendorf, where it was seriously damaged in a crash in about 1950. The aircraft is now in the collection of the Deutsches Museum, in Munich, Germany. Other never flown projects included a supersonic swept wing (near delta) jet fighter, the Horten H X (or H XIIIb), which looked a lot like the Lippisch DM-1 (Darmstadt-Muenchen 1). The nearly completed full-scale mockup was destroyed to prevent its capture before US troops arrived, but the DM-1 was brought to the USA, and evolved into the Convair XP-92 / XF-92A, YF-102 / F-102A Delta Dagger, F-102B / F-106A Delta Dart, and culminated in the B-58A Hustler (I know, I'm stretching it here a bit.) ;) Sometime soon I will have to visit Chino, to see and compare the Northrop N-9MB -- c/n 04, registered "N9MB", the last of Jack Northrop's flying wings that is (still/again) flying -- and the Horten H IV glider, two very pretty aircraft from 1942/43, which are still looking elegant and quite futuristic, even though the H IX V-1 was in my opinion the best looking one of them all. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@acm.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.ais.org/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 99 09:10:00 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: RE: History Channel Thanks Andreas! I should have known you'd have the skinny on this. Greg W. - -----Original Message----- From: at INTERNET Sent: September 03, 1999 8:23 AM To: Skunk Works List at INTERNET Subject: RE: History Channel Greg W. asked: >What's this Horton 18 they're talking about on the History Channel.... >some Nazi bomber that could have gotten across the Atlantic and dropped a >nuclear weapon on the US? Anybody? >Don't know if this has anything to do with the Horton flying wing designs >of the 1950's... and Tom G. responded: >The Horton brothers did most of their work on flying wings in the 1940's - >getting as far as building a prototype. It is generally written up has >having never flown, but I wonder. A lot of engineering records were >destroyed, along with prototypes, and one, has to assume, flying examples. >I don't have my reference library right to hand, but I'll look it up when I >get home this evening. First, the name is Horten, not Horton! Incidentally, there was a single modified Cessna UC-78, registered "N39C", and named "Horton Wingless", (Model "HW-X-26-52") c/n "HW-X26-52", by its designer William E. Horton of Santa Ana, California (or Henderson, Nevada ?) The aircraft was equipped with a strange blended-wing fuselage with large wing fences, and was powered by two 225 hp Jacobs (or Wright R-985 ?) piston engines. It flew for the first time in 1951/52, but was destroyed (burned) after no financial backers for its series production could be found, even though it is still registered in the FAA database (FAA type is 056-01-NU). The Horten brothers, Walter and Reimar, established the Horten Flugzeugbau GmbH, in Bonn, in 1943, but had designed and built many powered and unpowered (glider) aircraft since 1933, most of which were flying wing designs, including 2 prototypes of the H IX (8-229) twin-engine jet fighter. The first (H IX V-1) was an unpowered glider, and was found (disassembled) by advancing US troops in Brandis at the end of the war. It was apparently destroyed there, rather than shipped to the US. The second prototype (the H IX V-2), made its first jet-powered flight on 02/02/1945 at Oranienburg, with Leutnant Erwin Ziller on the controls. The aircraft was completely destroyed when it crashed on its third test flight there on 02/18/1945, killing the pilot Erwin Ziller, who had also made the second flight on 02/03/1945. Loss of power in the starboard engine (and subsequent loss of hydraulic pressure) seemed to have been the main reason for the crash, even though it was never established why Ziller neither used his radio nor his ejection seat and parachute during the emergency, and loss of consciousness, maybe due to fumes in the cockpit, was suspected as a contributing cause. The third prototype (the H IX V-3) was nearly completed at the end of the war, and was built (in modified form) by the Gothaer Waggonfabrik as the Gotha Go 229 (sometimes also known as Horten Ho 229). It was captured by US forces on 04/15/1945 at Friedrichsrode, together with parts of other aircraft (including the incomplete V-4, V-5 and V-6, the last one being the armed production-representative night-fighter model), and was assigned the foreign equipment number "FE-490", later changed to "T2-490". It is now stored at the Paul E. Garber facility of the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum (NASM), at Silver Hill, Maryland, awaiting urgently needed restoration. The Horten Ho XVIII was a planned intercontinental flying wing jet bomber, not unlike the Northrop YB-49/YRB-49A and B-2A Spirit "family" of bombers, but with large fairings for the landing gears, which doubled as stabilizing fins. The first prototype was only half completed, when it was captured by US troops in April 1945, and was subsequently scrapped. Its intended weapons load, a nuclear bomb to destroy New York or Washington, was (thankfully) just a pipe dream. Some technical data for the Horten H XVIII prototype: Wingspan: 42 m / 138 ft 9.5 in. (appr.) Length: 19 m / 62 ft 4 in. (appr.) Height: 5.8 m / 19 ft 1 in. (appr.) Engines: 6 Junkers Jumo 109-004B-2 with 900 kp / 1,984 lb thrust each Max Speed: 820 km/h / 510 mph / 443 kt (estimated) Cruise Speed: 750 km/h / 466 mph / 405 kt (estimated) The Horten H VIII, c/n 41, a transport aircraft of similar size, was even originally planned to be completed after its capture by British forces, but this plan was never followed through with, and the aircraft was also scrapped shortly afterwards. Various other Horten flying wing designs, mostly gliders, were captured and brought to the UK and USA, several of which were given to Northrop (the obvious choice) for study. They included the following, as far as I know: * Horten H II, Werknummer (c/n) 6, (possibly ex "D-10-125"), used for Go 229 V-5 and V-6 aerodynamic testing, now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IIIh, c/n ?, (maybe assigned "FE-7" and "T2-7"), now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IIIh, c/n 31, coded "LA-AI", became "FE-5041" and "T2-5041", tandem two-seater, studied by Northrop, now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IIIf, c/n 32, became "FE-5039" and "T2-5039", single seater, studied by Northrop, now also stored at Silver Hill; * Horten H IV, Ho 251, Horten 8-251, c/n 25, registered "D-10-1451", later coded "LA-AC", originally tested by the RAE (Royal Aircraft Establishment at Farnborough) in the UK with Royal Air Force serial "VP543", and after many other civil owners in the USA (still registered "N79289"), and tests at the Mississippi State University, was last reported at the Planes of Fame museum, Chino, California. Incidentally, it is listed incorrectly in the FAA database as HORTON IV, with c/n "HAC289", (FAA type is 056-03-QP), and is also marked as "Sale Reported". The new c/n comes from the Hawkridge Glider Company at Denham, UK, who refurbished the aircraft in 1950, before it found its way to the USA; * Horten H VI V-2, c/n 34, became "FE-5040" and "T2-5040", single seater, studied by Northrop, now also stored at Silver Hill; Another Horten H IV, Ho 251, Horten 8-251, c/n 26, registered "D-10-1452", later coded "LA-AD", was used by the BAFO (British Air Forces of Occupation) Gliding Club at Scharfoldendorf, where it was seriously damaged in a crash in about 1950. The aircraft is now in the collection of the Deutsches Museum, in Munich, Germany. Other never flown projects included a supersonic swept wing (near delta) jet fighter, the Horten H X (or H XIIIb), which looked a lot like the Lippisch DM-1 (Darmstadt-Muenchen 1). The nearly completed full-scale mockup was destroyed to prevent its capture before US troops arrived, but the DM-1 was brought to the USA, and evolved into the Convair XP-92 / XF-92A, YF-102 / F-102A Delta Dagger, F-102B / F-106A Delta Dart, and culminated in the B-58A Hustler (I know, I'm stretching it here a bit.) ;) Sometime soon I will have to visit Chino, to see and compare the Northrop N-9MB -- c/n 04, registered "N9MB", the last of Jack Northrop's flying wings that is (still/again) flying -- and the Horten H IV glider, two very pretty aircraft from 1942/43, which are still looking elegant and quite futuristic, even though the H IX V-1 was in my opinion the best looking one of them all. - -- Andreas - --- --- Andreas & Kathryn Gehrs-Pahl E-Mail: schnars@ais.org 313 West Court St. #305 or: gpahl@acm.flint.umich.edu Flint, MI 48502-1239 Tel: (810) 238-8469 WWW URL: http://www.ais.org/~schnars/ - --- --- ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V8 #102 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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