From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V8 #107 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Saturday, October 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 107 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** RE: Skunk Works Pioneer dies Re: Guess what may fly at the Edwards Open House? ROCAF B-49s Re: ROCAF B-49s Re: SR-71 (968) Re: skunk-works-digest V8 #106 Re: skunk-works-digest V8 #106 SR-71 flights end Blackbird in the News Northrop Grumman future strike aircraft (FSA) URL Re: SR-71 (968) Lockheed STAR RE: Lockheed STAR Perseus B Crashes Re: Perseus B Crashes Fwd: PERSEUS B DAMAGED IN CRASH ON CALFORNIA HIGHWAY *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:28:09 -0400 From: "Andrew Morris" Subject: RE: Skunk Works Pioneer dies Skunk Works' Irven Culver Dies Los Angeles Times Friday, September 17, 1999 By Elaine Woo [EXCERPT] Aviation: Self-taught engineer was a key member of Lockheed team and helped design the nation's first fighter jet. He also worked with Albert Einstein. The "nation's first fighter jet" was neither the P-80 nor a Lockheed product! Andy "Hailing from Larry Bell-land" Morris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:21:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary Shafer Subject: Re: Guess what may fly at the Edwards Open House? On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 betnal@ns.net wrote: > My understanding is that the two birds from USAF (971 and 967) will go into > long term storage. They won't be retained in near-airworthy status as they were > until May, but will be kept up, much as 971 was before it went back to USAF. It > looks like there will be about five year's worth of work, and it's quite possible > that at least one of the USAF As could be restored to flight status later on. Fast Eddie told me one would go into "flyable storage" just like 831 and 844, mostly on account of we figure that people are more likely to want a straight A instead of the B (831) or the A (844) with its mods to carry LASRE. In fact, 844 is the best candidate for long-term storage along with the other A. Being the Acting Chief Test Pilot as well as the LASRE project pilot, Ed's a fairly reliable source. Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com "Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end...." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:37:05 -0500 From: G&G Subject: ROCAF B-49s I found this while following an unrelated link and thought I'd pass it on. I'm not sure how much credence I would put in this story, especially with comments like "U-2 were only used as decoy since they had larger RCS than RB-49F " and the almost sarcastic ending... Any comments? Greg from http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/models/rms_tips/b49alt.hist.html > ROCAF B-49s > > by Wei-Bin Chang > > wei-bin@geocities.com > > G.R. Broman's story on B49 variants is essentially correct. However, he missed > an important chapter: The secret operations of RB-49F over China flown by > ROCAF pilots. As an ROCAF enthusiast, I am happy to reveal this untold history. > The following story is based on reported aircraft sightings in newpapers, my > interviews with the pilots, and my own research on ROC government files. As > ROCAF never admitted such operations, my story might contain some errors. > > In 1961, six RB-49F were secretly transported to Taiwan by sea. They were > based at Taoyuan AB, serving along with the famous U-2. Like the U-2, these > RB-49F were also operated by CIA, but pilots were chosen from ROCAF. Prior > to the shipment of RB-49, 12 ROCAF pilots had been secretly sent to Edwards > AFB for training. Ten of them returned to Taiwan in 1961 while the other > two were recruited by USAF due to their excellent skills. It was rumored > that the RB-49 shot down over Russia was co-piloted by one of the two. > > The unit that operated RB-49F was nicknamed "Black Bat." (FYI, the unit flying > U-2 was called "Black Cat.") Its mission is to fly over China's nuclear test > sites and take photographs. Reports that U-2 were responsible for these missions > were created by CIA to fool Chinese and Russians. In fact, U-2 were only used > as decoy since they had larger RCS than RB-49F. A typical mission involved an > RB-49F and a U-2. After reaching the target area, the U-2 would fly circles to > attract the attention from Chinese SAM radars, while RB-49F conducted its recon > mission. Although several U-2s were shot down, none of RB-49Fs flown by > ROCAF was ever lost. The ten pilots all received the "Blue-sky-and-white-sun" > medal, the highest honor a Taiwanese could get. A photo showing these pilots > with then President Chiang Kai-Shek was released to the press by accident. Later > the Ministry of National Defense claimed that these pilots were from the Black > Cat squadron. However, the pilots in this photo were wearing a bat-shaped pin on > their chests. All RB-49Fs were withdrawn to USA in either 1969 or 1970. All > pilots were also flown to USA and granted US citizenship. They are all protected > by the Witness Protection Program. > > RB-49F based in Taiwan wore overall light gray with a black "shadow" of a > fullsize U-2 painted on both sides. It is said that Squadron/Signal has obtained > a photo of ROCAF RB-49F and this photo will be included in the future "B-49 in > Action." However, as I called them to verify it, CIA cut my phone connection and > two agents came to my apartment warning me to keep my butt off. So this is all I > know about RB-49 in Taiwan. > - -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% %% %% Reality is for People Who %% %% Can't Handle Simulation %% %% %% %% habu@airmail.net %% %% habu@cyberramp.net %% %% srcrown@flash.net %% %% gdfieser@hti.com %% %% %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:22:14 -0400 From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: ROCAF B-49s On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:37:05 -0500 G&G writes: > > I found this while following an unrelated link and thought I'd pass it on. > I'm not sure how much credence I would put in this story, especially with > comments like "U-2 were only used as decoy since they had larger RCS than > RB-49F " and the almost sarcastic ending... > > Any comments? > >
That whole page is just one long joke, created by a bunch of people on rec.models.scale. They wanted to invent a service history of the B-49 (which is why there's an AC-49 gunship, DB-49 drone launcher, etc). Ertl had just released a 1/72 YB-49 plastic model and they were imagining alternate paint schemes for it. Jeff Clark ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:27:38 EDT From: Xelex@aol.com Subject: Re: SR-71 (968) A team from Worldwide Aircraft Recovery, Ltd. is in the process of diassembling SR-71A (61-7968) at Edwards AFB South Base. It will be transported to the Virginia Aerospace Museum in Richmond, Virginia for display. Peter Merlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:09:13 GMT From: abeaumont@canterbury.kent.sch.uk (Adrian Beaumont) Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V8 #106 I have not posted to this group for some time but have read every edition with interest, especially the bits about off-topic matters. However, for what I think are good reeasons I will go off topic and ask for everyones support. I am seeking support for a very ill teacher, who I used to work with over 20 years ago. She sent me a birthday card last week for my 50th birthday - in it was a note telling me that her health had taken a turn for the worse. I already knew that she was a diabetic, and had been insulin dependent for many years. In fact, after we split up she decided that she would stay single as she knew that her health would deteriorate and she did not want to be a burden on anyone. For some months now her kidneys have been starting to fail, and after a year of tummy pains she was eventually given a CT scan - and that led to a diagnosis of ovarian cancer. August saw radical surgery, starting with a full hysterectomy, but also partial removal of the colon as the cancer had already metastased, not good news especially when it comes on your 48th birthday. She is going to be off work for a long time (she is an English teacher in a local high school). I phoned her this morning and spoke to her mother, and was told that she is going into hospital today for the second round of chemotherapy, and that they are both devastated by the news. Frankly, the prognosis is not too good. She is an active Christian, and is asking for prayers on her behalf. Might I please ask you to offer a little prayer on her behalf, and perhaps forward this e-mail to anyone else who might be kind enough to remember her in their prayers - and perhaps they could pass it on to someone else as well. The more who pray for her, the better it will be. To try to help her to feel positive about herself, might I also invite anyone who reads this to send her a greeting message by e-mail? She does not have access to the web, or e-mail, but any messages sent to me at abeaumont@canterbury.kent.sch.uk will be sent on to her straight away by snail mail. Do please say roughly where in the world you live - it will be very encouraging for her. Her name is Linda Clutterbuck. If anyone would like her snail mail address so they can write direct please e-mail me and I will send it to you. Prayers for her mother, Lucy, would also be appreciated, as she is not a young lady anymore and has a tough time ahead of her. Please spare a couple of minutes to help! I understand that some may be unhappy at me posting something so off-topic - please accept my apologies - if you care to e-mail me direct I will write you a personal apology as soon as my teaching duties permit. I have posted this to the group because I know you all to be very intelligent and well educated people - and to some extent your personal progress has been helped by those who taught you. The very fact that you can read this at all is almost certainly due to a teacher! Please help a teacher in need. With my best wishes Adrian Beaumont Science Faculty The Canterbury High School Knight Avenue Canterbury Kent CT2 8QA UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:30:08 GMT From: abeaumont@canterbury.kent.sch.uk (Adrian Beaumont) Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V8 #106 > >skunk-works-digest Sunday, September 19 1999 Volume 08 : Number 106 > I have not posted to this group for some time but have read every edition with interest, especially the bits about off-topic matters. However, for what I think are good reeasons I will go off topic and ask for everyones support. I am seeking support for a very ill teacher, who I used to work with over 20 years ago. She sent me a birthday card last week for my 50th birthday - in it was a note telling me that her health had taken a turn for the worse. I already knew that she was a diabetic, and had been insulin dependent for many years. In fact, after we split up she decided that she would stay single as she knew that her health would deteriorate and she did not want to be a burden on anyone. For some months now her kidneys have been starting to fail, and after a year of tummy pains she was eventually given a CT scan - and that led to a diagnosis of ovarian cancer. August saw radical surgery, starting with a full hysterectomy, but also partial removal of the colon as the cancer had already metastased, not good news especially when it comes on your 48th birthday. She is going to be off work for a long time (she is an English teacher in a local high school). I phoned her this morning and spoke to her mother, and was told that she is going into hospital today for the second round of chemotherapy, and that they are both devastated by the news. Frankly, the prognosis is not too good. She is an active Christian, and is asking for prayers on her behalf. Might I please ask you to offer a little prayer on her behalf, and perhaps forward this e-mail to anyone else who might be kind enough to remember her in their prayers - and perhaps they could pass it on to someone else as well. The more who pray for her, the better it will be. To try to help her to feel positive about herself, might I also invite anyone who reads this to send her a greeting message by e-mail? She does not have access to the web, or e-mail, but any messages sent to me at abeaumont@canterbury.kent.sch.uk will be sent on to her straight away by snail mail. Do please say roughly where in the world you live - it will be very encouraging for her. Her name is Linda Clutterbuck. If anyone would like her snail mail address so they can write direct please e-mail me and I will send it to you. Prayers for her mother, Lucy, would also be appreciated, as she is not a young lady anymore and has a tough time ahead of her. Please spare a couple of minutes to help! I understand that some may be unhappy at me posting something so off-topic - please accept my apologies - if you care to e-mail me direct I will write you a personal apology as soon as my teaching duties permit. I have posted this to the group because I know you all to be very intelligent and well educated people - and to some extent your personal progress has been helped by those who taught you. The very fact that you can read this at all is almost certainly due to a teacher! Please help a teacher in need. With my best wishes Adrian Beaumont Science Faculty The Canterbury High School Knight Avenue Canterbury Kent CT2 8QA UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:10:43 -0500 From: "Tom C Robison" Subject: SR-71 flights end SR-71 "Blackbird" end research flights for 1999 30 September 1999 The 1999 four-flight series of the SR-71 "Blackbird" with a 41-foot-long test fixture mounted atop of the rear section of the aircraft was completed on September 27 at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, Calif. The flights showed that the fixture barely impacted the SR-71's stability, handling and flying characteristics while soaring at Mach 3, three times the speed of sound. "It flew like a scalded cat," said the SR-71 Flight Test Engineer Marta Bohn-Meyer. She said the plane was unbelievable in how it pushed to go faster. The SR-71 stopped short of reaching one test point of going over Mach 3 due to the failure of the liquid nitrogen system that was used to purge the test fixture. Without proper purge, there was concern of overheating the fixture's internal systems. This purge system has proven very effective in past flights, Tim Moes said, NASA Dryden's chief engineer for these research flights. He added that the cause of the purge system failure is now well understood and procedures will be instituted to prevent this failure in the future. Although the two-hour flight did not reach Mach 3.2, the combined four-flight series proved that the SR-71 is a viable testbed for future technologies that need a high-speed, high-altitude flight environment. Data obtained on the previous flight to Mach 3.0 can be confidently extrapolated to Mach 3.2. Unlike wind tunnels that are constrained by its walls, the SR-71 airplane flies in actual atmospheric conditions, such as moisture and temperatures, at extreme altitudes and speeds making it an ideal testbed for supersonic flight. NASA's Revolutionary Concepts (RevCon) project is one example of possible future use of the SR-71 as a testbed. The RevCon project encourages the development of ideas that could lead to revolutionary experimental planes. The Pulse Detonation Engine, one of the first RevCon projects, is a revolutionary approach for future high-speed jet propulsion. The engine will have fewer parts, yet greater propulsion efficiency, resulting in lower maintenance and direct operating costs. It will eventually be flown captive carry on Dryden's SR-71 "Blackbird" to speeds over Mach 3. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:13:17 -0400 From: "Andrew Morris" Subject: Blackbird in the News From Defence Systems Daily: SR-71 "Blackbird" end research flights for 1999 30 September 1999 The 1999 four-flight series of the SR-71 "Blackbird" with a 41-foot-long test fixture mounted atop of the rear section of the aircraft was completed on September 27 at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, Calif. The flights showed that the fixture barely impacted the SR-71's stability, handling and flying characteristics while soaring at Mach 3, three times the speed of sound. "It flew like a scalded cat," said the SR-71 Flight Test Engineer Marta Bohn-Meyer. She said the plane was unbelievable in how it pushed to go faster. The SR-71 stopped short of reaching one test point of going over Mach 3 due to the failure of the liquid nitrogen system that was used to purge the test fixture. Without proper purge, there was concern of overheating the fixture's internal systems. This purge system has proven very effective in past flights, Tim Moes said, NASA Dryden's chief engineer for these research flights. He added that the cause of the purge system failure is now well understood and procedures will be instituted to prevent this failure in the future. Although the two-hour flight did not reach Mach 3.2, the combined four-flight series proved that the SR-71 is a viable testbed for future technologies that need a high-speed, high-altitude flight environment. Data obtained on the previous flight to Mach 3.0 can be confidently extrapolated to Mach 3.2. Unlike wind tunnels that are constrained by its walls, the SR-71 airplane flies in actual atmospheric conditions, such as moisture and temperatures, at extreme altitudes and speeds making it an ideal testbed for supersonic flight. NASA's Revolutionary Concepts (RevCon) project is one example of possible future use of the SR-71 as a testbed. The RevCon project encourages the development of ideas that could lead to revolutionary experimental planes. The Pulse Detonation Engine, one of the first RevCon projects, is a revolutionary approach for future high-speed jet propulsion. The engine will have fewer parts, yet greater propulsion efficiency, resulting in lower maintenance and direct operating costs. It will eventually be flown captive carry on Dryden's SR-71 "Blackbird" to speeds over Mach 3. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:55:13 -0700 From: Larry Smith Subject: Northrop Grumman future strike aircraft (FSA) URL This weeks AW&ST has a piece on Northrop Grumman FSA Program, including some concept artwork. For those of you who haven't seen these concepts (a supersonic supercruise strike aircraft, and a hypersonic strike aircraft that delivers its weapons load by ejecting it from the back of the vertical tails), check out the following URL: http://www.northgrum.com/Corp_web/news_pages/1999sep.html#fsac-1 Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary Shafer Subject: Re: SR-71 (968) On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 Xelex@aol.com wrote: > A team from Worldwide Aircraft Recovery, Ltd. is in the process of > diassembling SR-71A (61-7968) at Edwards AFB South Base. It will be > transported to the Virginia Aerospace Museum in Richmond, Virginia for > display. This is interesting because there's a very nice aerospace-oriented museum not far from Richmond in Hampton as well. I hadn't realized that Virginia had quite so many independent (i.e. not "official" in the sense of being sponsored by the military or a federal agency) museums. The F-106 that NASA Langley used for lightning research is in the Hampton museum (I can't remember its name, unfortunately), so the Langley Web site has a link to the museum's site. It looks as if that's a target-rich environment for aviation museum visitors, starting just over the state line in DC with the NASM and going down I95 to Richmond for this SR-71A (eventually) and then over to Hampton. In addition, the ACC (formerly TAC) HQ at Langley AFB has some aircraft on display and the NASA Langley Visitor Center has some nice, informative displays, too (notice that Langley AFB and NASA Langley are in Hampton/Norfolk, not Langley, VA, which is where the CIA is, up by DC; this is kind of confusing sometimes). I'd think it would be a very pleasant excursion, taking a few days to allow enough time to enjoy the museums. And if you go just a little bit north from DC, you can visit the oldest continuously-operating airport in the US, in College Park, MD. I don't know that there's much to see at the airport, though, as it's a working airport, not an exhibition like Williamsburg. Maybe in the spring, when the dogwoods are blooming.... Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com "Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end...." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:25:41 -0500 From: "Tom C Robison" Subject: Lockheed STAR Maybe I'm the only one who didn't know this, but the Lockheed STAR magazine now has an online version. Go to http://lmasc.external.lmco.com/star/ Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 99 15:30:00 -0500 From: gregweigold@pmsc.com Subject: RE: Lockheed STAR I didn't know.... thanks, Tom! Greg W. => ----- Original Message ----- => From: at INTERNET => [CCMAIL: at INTERNET] => Sent: October 01, 1999, 11:25:00 => To: AIRCRAFT-LIST@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU at INTERNET; => skunk-works@netwrx1.com at INTERNET => Cc: tcrobi@adamswells.com at INTERNET => Subject: Lockheed STAR => => => => Maybe I'm the only one who didn't know this, but the Lockheed STAR magazine => now has an online version. Go to http://lmasc.external.lmco.com/star/ => => Tom => => => ----- End Of Original Message ----- Greg Weigold, Technical Consultant mailto:gregweigold@pmsc.com CyberLife-BPO Cybertek Corp. http://www.cybertek.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 99 17:06:23 -0500 From: wings Subject: Perseus B Crashes Just noticed that NASA's unmanned High-Altitude vehicle, Perseus B crashed on the westbound lane of I-40, about 4 miles east of Barstow, Ca. Any other info available? Wayne Wayne Busse wings@sky.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:10:27 -0500 From: Dave Bethke Subject: Re: Perseus B Crashes wings wrote: > > Just noticed that NASA's unmanned High-Altitude vehicle, Perseus B > crashed on the westbound lane of I-40, about 4 miles east of Barstow, Ca. ARSTOW, Calif. (AP) _ An unmanned experimental NASA aircraft being tested for environmental research crash landed in the Mojave Desert on Friday, sustaining moderate damage and partially blocking a highway. No one was injured when the Perseus aircraft crash landed at 8:45 a.m. crash 4 miles east of Barstow, said Leslie Mathews, a spokeswoman for the NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base. There were no immediate details on the damage. The aircraft, appearing intact but its nose resting on the ground, blocked the westbound side of Interstate 40 through the morning. California Highway Patrol Officer Randy Lefebure said the craft came down like a helicopter and hit on its nose shortly before 9 a.m. The Perseus, 26 feet long with a wingspan of nearly 59 feet, has an extremely large tail-mounted pusher propeller. The single-engine aircraft had been in the air 2¼ hours under remote control by a pilot on the ground, Mathews said. Perseus is part of NASA's Environmental Research Aircraft and Sensor Technology program to develop a variety of unmanned aircraft that can carry science packages for long duration and at very high altitudes. Perseus aircraft are intended to be able to reach 82,000 feet with a 165-pound science payload. The plane that went down Friday was Perseus B, a model expected to reach a maximum altitude of 65,000 feet and stay aloft for up to 96 hours. Perseus A was lost in a crash in November 1994, a little less than a year after the first Perseus flight. The aircraft were built by Aurora Flight Sciences Corp. of Manassas, Va. Development of each plane cost $1.5 million. According to NASA, Perseus' 14.4-foot-diameter propeller requires an unusual launch technique. With its engine running but the propeller locked in a horizontal position, the aircraft is towed into the air by a ground vehicle. At a certain altitude, the tow line separates and the propeller is engaged by remote control. (Copyright 1999 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) APTV-10-01-99 1631CDT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 08:27:33 PDT From: "wayne binkley" Subject: Fwd: PERSEUS B DAMAGED IN CRASH ON CALFORNIA HIGHWAY to:wings >From: NASANews@hq.nasa.gov >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: PERSEUS B DAMAGED IN CRASH ON CALFORNIA HIGHWAY >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:20:11 -0400 (EDT) > >Michael Braukus >Headquarters, Washington, DC Oct. 1, 1999 >(Phone: 202/358-1979) > >Leslie Williams >Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA >(Phone: 805/258-2663) > >RELEASE: 99-115 > >PERSEUS B DAMAGED IN CRASH ON CALFORNIA HIGHWAY > > The Perseus B remotely piloted research aircraft was >moderately damaged when it crashed this morning near Barstow, CA, >during a flight from NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, >Edwards, CA. > > There was no property damage, no fire or injuries on the >ground as a result of the accident. The cause is not yet known. >The aircraft came down in the westbound lanes of Interstate 40 >about 4 miles east of Barstow. > > The propeller-driven aircraft had been flying for about two >hours and 15 minutes when the accident occurred about 11:45 a.m. >EDT. The flight was being conducted from Edwards Air Force Base >under the guidance of ground-based mission controllers from >Aurora Flight Sciences, Inc., of Manassas, VA, the plane's >builder and operator. The aircraft was not carrying a payload. > > An accident investigation team has been formed by Dryden >flight safety officials to determine the exact cause of the >mishap, with assistance from Aurora Flight Sciences operations >staff. > > The Perseus B, a developmental vehicle designed to operate at >high altitudes for extended periods on scientific sampling >missions, is one of several aircraft being evaluated by NASA >under the Environmental Research Aircraft and Sensor Technology >program. 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