From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V8 #111 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Friday, November 5 1999 Volume 08 : Number 111 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** RE: F-22 001 100th mission... A little off charter, but... SERVER DOWNTIME SCHEDULED Re: It's here, just in time for X-mas, Guaranteed Credit Cards!!! >> It's here, just in time for X-mas, Guaranteed Credit Cards!!! Re: SERVER DOWNTIME SCHEDULED OT: Skunkworks list used for SPAM? Re: OT: Skunkworks list used for SPAM? RE: F-22 001 100th mission... RE: F-22 001 100th mission... Re: A little off charter, but... RE: F-22 001 100th mission... *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:09:28 -0500 From: "Frank Markus" Subject: RE: F-22 001 100th mission... Okay .. I will admit it. I did not. What did I miss? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com [mailto:owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com]On Behalf Of John Szalay Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:30 PM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: F-22 001 100th mission... Notice any thing strange on the left rudder of 001 in this image ? http://www.af.mil/news/Nov1999/n19991103_992031.html :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:27:01 -0800 From: David Lednicer Subject: A little off charter, but... If you have any of the "Naval Fighters" book series, I would be grateful if you could help me. I have found that these books list the airfoils used in the wing design of the aircraft they describe. In particular, I am looking for the designations of the airfoils used on the: Douglas F3D Skynight (Naval Fighters Number 4) McDonnell FH-3 Demon (Number 12) Douglas F4D Skyray (Number 13) North American AJ Savage (Number 22) Martin AM-1 Mauler (Number 24) Ryan FR-1 Fireball and XF2R Darkshark (Number 28) Douglas XSB2D adn BTD Destroyer (Number 30) Grumman F5F Skyrocket and XP-50 (Number 31) Brewster XTBU and TBY Seawolf (Number 33) Convair XP5Y and R3Y Tradewind (Number 34) Douglas F5D Skylancer (Number 35) Douglas XTB2D Skypirate (Number 36) Martin P4M Mercator (Number 37) Doublas A2D Skyshark (Number 43) Convair Model 48 Charger (Number 48) Grumman F9F Panther (Number ?) Grumman F9F Cougar (Number ?) Grumman McDonnell FH-2 Banshee (Number ?) I know, someone will ask why I don't buy them myself. Well, I already buy a lot of books (don't tell my wife!) and find it hard to justify buying these books for one tiny piece of info. I appreciate any info people can provide me. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- David Lednicer | "Applied Computational Fluid Dynamics" Analytical Methods, Inc. | email: dave@amiwest.com 2133 152nd Ave NE | tel: (425) 643-9090 Redmond, WA 98052 USA | fax: (425) 746-1299 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:35:48 -0600 From: "George R. Kasica" Subject: SERVER DOWNTIME SCHEDULED Hello: Just a quick not to let you all know that the server that runs the following lists: acg-l felinetalk nursesforum skunk-works Will be off line beginning at 1700 CST (2300 GMT) Friday November 5th, 1999 until possibly late in the day on Sunday November 7th for a software reload. No list archives or digests will be lost and no one will need to resubscribe. I will send another message out when the server is back on line. Sorry for any inconvenience, George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 President +1 800 520 4873 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. 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"Products & Services For Doing Business On The Net" REFUNDS: You are purchasing an exclusive, " invitation only", opportunity to take advantage of a new credit card program. The only refunds that will be issued are to those who send us proof that they were not approved for their credit accounts listed above. Complete refund instructions are included with your Credit Express package. DISCLAIMER: We will not be held responsible for any misuse or abuse of the credit lines issued to new members from the Money Tips subscriber base. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-REMOVE INSTRUCTIONS-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= While the Internet is public domain designed for communication, we sincerely respect your choice to not receive email from our EZine subscriber list. To be removed from our list server database, enter your email address at the address below. http://fupwes.gruskoze.uk%668key=965895210index=A21r7P6qW%403631583639/remove/21268.htm If your browser will not load this link please feel free to leave your email address on our toll-free voicemail server. 1-888-681-4206 If you are completely opposed to any and all commercial email, ask your Internet Service Provider to make your email address unlisted. Your address cannot be harvested if it is a non-published address. Your ISP is bound by the U.S. Federal Privacy Act and must comply with your request if you are paying for their services. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:08:21 -0800 From: INFORMATION RESTRICTED Subject: Re: SERVER DOWNTIME SCHEDULED No big deal, I get a message or two every few weeks when it's working "fine" anyway! Kurt George R. Kasica wrote: > > Hello: > > Just a quick not to let you all know that the server that runs the > following lists: > > acg-l > felinetalk > nursesforum > skunk-works > > Will be off line beginning at 1700 CST (2300 GMT) Friday November 5th, > 1999 until possibly late in the day on Sunday November 7th for a > software reload. No list archives or digests will be lost and no one > will need to resubscribe. > > I will send another message out when the server is back on line. > > Sorry for any inconvenience, > > George > > ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 > President +1 800 520 4873 FAX > Netwrx Consulting Inc. Waukesha, WI USA > http://www.netwrx1.com > georgek@netwrx1.com > ICQ #12862186 - -- All Times And Dates UTC Carson Valley, Nevada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:46:24 -0500 From: Gunman and Jacks Subject: OT: Skunkworks list used for SPAM? I got 4 or 5 pieces of email spam today, all of which the skunk-works address is the "reply" address. Whats up with that? I still have them, if someone(admin) wants to see the headers. - ------------------------------------------------ Gunman and Jacks PGP Key Available (see headers) - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:17:42 -0600 From: "George R. Kasica" Subject: Re: OT: Skunkworks list used for SPAM? On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:46:24 -0500, you wrote: >I got 4 or 5 pieces of email spam today, all of which the skunk-works >address is the "reply" address. Whats up with that? I still have them, if >someone(admin) wants to see the headers. I've got them here as well and am already working with the admins of the systems that they used to flush the stuff through....sorry for the inconvenience. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 800 520 4873 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:11:47 +0000 From: John Szalay Subject: RE: F-22 001 100th mission... Well, If your old enough to have read the Lil Abner comics in the funny papers ( and you all know where the Skunk Works name came from, Right ?) The camo pattern in the tail has a close resemblence to a Schmoo, eyes,smile ETC: all thats missing is the mustache . :) At 07:09 AM 11/4/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Okay .. I will admit it. I did not. What did I miss? > >- F-22 001 100th mission... > > Notice any thing strange on the left rudder of 001 in this image ? > > http://www.af.mil/news/Nov1999/n19991103_992031.html > > > :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:49:15 -0800 (PST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: RE: F-22 001 100th mission... On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, John Szalay wrote: > Well, If your old enough to have read the Lil Abner comics in the funny papers > ( and you all know where the Skunk Works name came from, Right ?) > The camo pattern in the tail has a close resemblence to a Schmoo, eyes,smile > ETC: > all thats missing is the mustache . :) I don't know if you have notes that the inner side of the same rudder is a kind rough. Anyone know why? Looks that the rudder had been fix and didn't cover very well. This will compromise the stealth signature of the airplane. May the Force be with you Wei-Jen Su E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I am the culmination of one man's dream, this is not ego or vanity, but when Dr. Soong created me, he added to the substance of the universe. If by your experiment I am destroyed, something unique, something wonderful will be lost. I can not permit that. I must protect his dream." Mr. Data (ST:TNG) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:37:57 -0600 From: G&G Subject: Re: A little off charter, but... David, I scanned through my F4D and F5D Ginter books and could find no references to airfoil designs used in either book. Sorry, Greg David Lednicer wrote: > > If you have any of the "Naval Fighters" book series, I would be grateful > if you could help me. I have found that these books list the > airfoils used in the wing design of the aircraft they describe. In > particular, I am looking for the designations of the airfoils used on the: - -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% %% %% Reality is for People Who %% %% Can't Handle Simulation %% %% %% %% habu@airmail.net %% %% habu@cyberramp.net %% %% srcrown@flash.net %% %% gdfieser@hti.com %% %% %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:11:29 -0500 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: RE: F-22 001 100th mission... This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF27A0.2AFBDAE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I saw it, but I couldn't remember what it was called!! Thanks! At that is the vertical stabilizer, not the rudder, right? Greg W -----Original Message----- From: John Szalay [mailto:john.szalay@postoffice.worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 8:12 PM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: RE: F-22 001 100th mission... Well, If your old enough to have read the Lil Abner comics in the funny papers ( and you all know where the Skunk Works name came from, Right ?) The camo pattern in the tail has a close resemblence to a Schmoo, eyes,smile ETC: all thats missing is the mustache . :) At 07:09 AM 11/4/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Okay .. I will admit it. I did not. What did I miss? > >- F-22 001 100th mission... > > Notice any thing strange on the left rudder of 001 in this image ? > > http://www.af.mil/news/Nov1999/n19991103_992031.html > > > :) - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF27A0.2AFBDAE4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: F-22 001 100th mission...

I saw it, but I couldn't remember what = it was called!!  Thanks!

At that is the vertical stabilizer, = not the rudder, right?   <grin>

Greg W

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