From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V9 #5 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Tuesday, February 8 2000 Volume 09 : Number 005 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Slightly Off Topic ??? Re: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented RE: FWD (TLC-Mission) yf12a - new ADC interceptor in mid-1960s Secrets of Antigravity RE: FWD (TLC-Mission) yf12a - new ADC interceptor in mid-1960s Re: B-12/F-12 Cancellation Re: FWD (TLC-Mission) yf12a - new ADC interceptor in mid-1960s Re: Slightly Off Topic ??? Re: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented Re: Slightly Off Topic ??? Re: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented project Mig 1.42 Links to mil/civ aviation/marine (com) websites Photos of real Mach 7 aircraft Scramjet exhaust plume B2 Bomber Electrogravitic Propulsion Re: A YF12 history URL Sandia Joins National Charge Into 21st Century Nanotechnology Revolution Re: B2 Bomber Electrogravitic Propulsion FWD (TLCB) B-24 "Beautiful Betsy that crashed in February 1945 in Australia *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:48:41 -0500 From: "Martin Hurst" Subject: Slightly Off Topic ??? Re: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented Thanks for the info ... But isn't this off the Charter's topics range !?!? :-) Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented >Hello: > >Just a quick note to inform you that as of 1/25/00 the server has been >reconfigured with Logical Volumes. What this allows is for future >expansion by simply adding hard disk units and they will be added to >one large "logical disk" rather than having to physically replace >hardware and backup and restore data to and from tape. Ultimately this >means less down time and more flexibility as the needs for disk space >grows. > >If you want to know the ugly technical details just ask. > >And another reminder...as of 1/10/00 Netwrx Consulting Inc. has been >authorized as a Independent Reseller for Excel Telecommunications. > >As a result of this we are able to offer you the ability to possibly >save SIGNIFICANT amounts on your long-distance, paging and Internet >Access charges. If you can't or don't need this please pass it around >to anyone you know that might be able to. > >If you'd like more information on this and other items please go to: > >http://www.excelir.com/netwrx1 > >If you have any further questions please don't hesitate to contact me. > >Thank you, > > >===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 >President +1 206 374 6482 FAX >Netwrx Consulting Inc. Waukesha, WI USA >http://www.netwrx1.com >georgek@netwrx1.com >ICQ #12862186 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: RE: FWD (TLC-Mission) yf12a - new ADC interceptor in mid-1960s > Art writes in reply to Albert: > > > > ps: did you see Terry Colvin's other post about an > > > SR-71 being fired up on short notice for some guy > > > who wanted to go Mach 2? And after they were at > > > Mach 2 they ran into a sonic wave created by another > > > SR-71 who just happened to going Mach 4 at 100,000'. > > > This sounds too farfetched to believe. > > > > I don't think Terry was saying that an SR was fired up > > for this incident. > > Although he didn't state what type it was, judging by where > > the incident might > > have taken place, it was probably an F-4. A SR can not go > > Mach 4 itself, by > > the way, but with a tail wind at altitude it wouldn't be out > > of the ordinary > > for the ground speed to be that high. > > Interesting. I was unaware that there are significant winds at the altitude > that the Blackbird operates at. I was under the impression that these winds > only occurred at the levels where commercial airliners flew. Is this really > the case? I believe the jet stream is present even at really high altitudes 100+K ft. I do not know however at what altitude the jet stream is no longer a factor. Perhaps someone in the know could educate us. Sam > > Erik > -- > Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com > Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com > 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel > Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:31:19 -0800 From: "A.J. Craddock" Subject: Secrets of Antigravity An interesting article on antigravity, together with some associated mathematics, can be seen at http://www.cseti.org/bearden/ferdelance/slide32.htm Tony Craddock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 100 05:25:14 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: RE: FWD (TLC-Mission) yf12a - new ADC interceptor in mid-1960s On 1/26/00 8:33AM, in message <100E1375C3E5D11197C20008C728373C03B80335@hotwire.esri.com>, Erik Hoel wrote:. > > Interesting. I was unaware that there are significant winds at the altitude > that the Blackbird operates at. I was under the impression that these winds > only occurred at the levels where commercial airliners flew. Is this really > the case? > > Erik > -- > There can be winds at those altitudes and they have to be taken into account when planning fuel burn, speed and range on a mission. The proof is in the ground speeds that SRs have been tracked at on some flights, speeds above the max air speed it can maintain. Art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 100 05:33:03 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: B-12/F-12 Cancellation On 1/26/00 3:57PM, in message , "Robert S. Hopkins, III" wrote: > Please forgive me for "shooting from the hip" on this one, as I'm > sure many list members have access to better sources than my memory. > Nonetheless: > > > Far be it for me to appear as a defender of McNamara, but another > powerful voice against the "B-12" (or whatever its actual designation > might have been) was Air Force Chief of Staff General Curtis LeMay. > LeMay wanted the B-70 very badly, and although LeMay agreed that the > "B-12" might have been worth considering, there was simply no room > for two competing supersonic bombers in the age of missiles. Choosing > one, LeMay threw his considerable influence behind the B-70, with > well-known results. > Robert Hopkins This is quite true, which is why Kelly Johnson and Lockheed did not lobby for the B-12. It was a commitment that they made to LeMay and USAF. The likelihood of McNamara allowing the B (or RS) -70 to proceed was extremely low, he had no liking for bombers at all. However, as long as there was a chance, USAF didn't want any rival to surface. In addition, though, a B-12 could have performed some (though not all) of the roles the F-111 was supposed to. since the plane already was losing support, he didn't want any alternative to appear that would do even part of its mission. Art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 100 05:35:55 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: FWD (TLC-Mission) yf12a - new ADC interceptor in mid-1960s On 1/26/00 3:00PM, in message <388F7C95.51E0@worldnet.att.net>, "Albert H. Dobyns" wrote: > > It didn't occur to me to ask if you are Art Hanly/Hanley?! > That would have reduced the confusion a bit. A friend game > me a copy of the Sept 97 issue of Airpower. That's the > issue that had all kinds of great rebuttals to all the > junk about retiring a miraculous airplane!. > Al That's me, although it was the July issue. September was only a few weeks before the Philanderer in Chief line item vetoed the program. Art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 05:24:31 -0600 From: "George R. Kasica" Subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic ??? Re: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented Since it affects the availability of the list serving machine and your ability or inability to get mail, I don't think so...its better than 400+ what happened messages....which is what I see when I DON'T do this...as for the offer o flow cost LD services, its in place for you if you're interested, if you're not ignore it, just a way we were trying to add benefit to you being on list besides the mail you see. Sorry if your offended, George >Thanks for the info ... >But isn't this off the Charter's topics range !?!? > >:-) > > >Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 11:21 PM >Subject: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented > > >>Hello: >> >>Just a quick note to inform you that as of 1/25/00 the server has been >>reconfigured with Logical Volumes. What this allows is for future >>expansion by simply adding hard disk units and they will be added to >>one large "logical disk" rather than having to physically replace >>hardware and backup and restore data to and from tape. Ultimately this >>means less down time and more flexibility as the needs for disk space >>grows. >> >>If you want to know the ugly technical details just ask. >> >>And another reminder...as of 1/10/00 Netwrx Consulting Inc. has been >>authorized as a Independent Reseller for Excel Telecommunications. >> >>As a result of this we are able to offer you the ability to possibly >>save SIGNIFICANT amounts on your long-distance, paging and Internet >>Access charges. If you can't or don't need this please pass it around >>to anyone you know that might be able to. >> >>If you'd like more information on this and other items please go to: >> >>http://www.excelir.com/netwrx1 >> >>If you have any further questions please don't hesitate to contact me. >> >>Thank you, >> >> >>===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 >>President +1 206 374 6482 FAX >>Netwrx Consulting Inc. Waukesha, WI USA >>http://www.netwrx1.com >>georgek@netwrx1.com >>ICQ #12862186 ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:53:45 -0500 From: "Martin Hurst" Subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic ??? Re: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented No I wasn't offended at all, it was just a tonque-in-cheek comment. I'm glad you're doing all you can to keep this list server going. Keep it up, this great list and server !!! And thanks for the promo's. - -----Original Message----- From: George R. Kasica To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic ??? Re: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented >Since it affects the availability of the list serving machine and your >ability or inability to get mail, I don't think so...its better than >400+ what happened messages....which is what I see when I DON'T do >this...as for the offer o flow cost LD services, its in place for you >if you're interested, if you're not ignore it, just a way we were >trying to add benefit to you being on list besides the mail you see. > >Sorry if your offended, > >George > >>Thanks for the info ... >>But isn't this off the Charter's topics range !?!? >> >>:-) >> >> >>Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 11:21 PM >>Subject: ADMIN NOTICE: Logical Disk Volumes Implemented >> >> >>>Hello: >>> >>>Just a quick note to inform you that as of 1/25/00 the server has been >>>reconfigured with Logical Volumes. What this allows is for future >>>expansion by simply adding hard disk units and they will be added to >>>one large "logical disk" rather than having to physically replace >>>hardware and backup and restore data to and from tape. Ultimately this >>>means less down time and more flexibility as the needs for disk space >>>grows. >>> >>>If you want to know the ugly technical details just ask. >>> >>>And another reminder...as of 1/10/00 Netwrx Consulting Inc. has been >>>authorized as a Independent Reseller for Excel Telecommunications. >>> >>>As a result of this we are able to offer you the ability to possibly >>>save SIGNIFICANT amounts on your long-distance, paging and Internet >>>Access charges. If you can't or don't need this please pass it around >>>to anyone you know that might be able to. >>> >>>If you'd like more information on this and other items please go to: >>> >>>http://www.excelir.com/netwrx1 >>> >>>If you have any further questions please don't hesitate to contact me. >>> >>>Thank you, >>> >>> >>>===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 >>>President +1 206 374 6482 FAX >>>Netwrx Consulting Inc. Waukesha, WI USA >>>http://www.netwrx1.com >>>georgek@netwrx1.com >>>ICQ #12862186 > >===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 >Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX >http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA >georgek@netwrx1.com >ICQ #12862186 > >Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:46:31 -0800 (PST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: project Mig 1.42 Anyone know any news of project Mig 1.42? It flew already? It is becoming a scrap in a hangar? Well, the Russian claimed the Mig 1.42 is more stealthier than the F-22, I don't know how the airplane archieve stealth because from the geometric point of view, it does not look like a stealth airplane, or at least the Russian made some breakthru in radar absorbent material or plasma cloaking device... Anyone know anything about this. Thanks in advance. May the Force be with you Wei-Jen Su E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself." Chinese Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:00:28 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: Links to mil/civ aviation/marine (com) websites Somewhat off-topic (sorry), however interesting for those among us into (military) aviation: Bob Margolis has compiled useful listings of links to websites on mil/civ aviation ops/coms. Also quite some marine related stuff. A wealth of information for the eavesdroppers among us. < http://www.qth.net/archive/wun/200001/20000116.html#18 > < http://www.qth.net/archive/wun/200001/20000118.html#3 > < http://www.qth.net/archive/wun/200001/20000129.html#14 > < http://www.qth.net/archive/wun/200001/20000129.html#15 > < http://www.qth.net/archive/wun/200001/20000129.html#16 > < http://www.qth.net/archive/wun/200001/20000129.html#17 > (Often these links load slowly but are worth the wait for those interested.) Regards, Frits - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:22:27 -0800 From: Larry Smith Subject: Photos of real Mach 7 aircraft For my fellow hypersonic aircraft nuts: Check out the latest images of X-43/HYPER-X at: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Hyper-X/Small/index.html for images of the delivery of the real X-43 (HYPER-X) vehicle to NASA Dryden. Also check out the photo in this weeks AW&ST of the vehicle sitting by itself outside of its transport carriage. This is the world's first real designed for Mach 7 aircraft that was designed from the start to be propelled by Mach 7 scramjet. If this thing is able to sustain Mach 7 cruise at around 100,000 ft later this year, in its first scheduled test flight, it will give birth to a new age of aircraft. I wish I could witness the flight! Regards, Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 21:07:47 -0500 From: "Wayne Busse" Subject: Scramjet exhaust plume > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3032370467_167850_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was channel surfing over the weekend, and paused briefly at a program about the growing UFO phenomenon in the Peoples Republic of China. They were showing amateur videos of what they claimed were UFO's over an unidentified city in China. The "UFO" appeared to me, to be what looked like a very prominent exhaust plume of an aircraft at high altitude. My question to the group is, do you think the exhaust plume of a scramjet at Mach 7 would be visible from a great distance? Looking at Dryden's image of the Hyper-X research vehicle flow field, with the engine operating at Mach 7, makes me wonder if this would look like the Chinese video of the "UFO"? http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Hyper-X/Small/ED97-43968-1.jpg Curious. Wayne Wayne Busse wings@sky.net - --MS_Mac_OE_3032370467_167850_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Scramjet exhaust plume I was channel surfing over the weekend, and paused briefly a= t a
program about the growing UFO phenomenon in the Peoples
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UFO's over an unidentified city in China.

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exhaust plume of an aircraft at high altitude.

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Curious.

Wayne

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wings@sky.net - --MS_Mac_OE_3032370467_167850_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:30:53 -0800 From: "A.J. Craddock" Subject: B2 Bomber Electrogravitic Propulsion A video about the B-2 bomber's electrogravitic propulsion, and other associated commentary can be accessed via the Front Page of http://www.cseti.org Tony Craddock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 05:06:55 -0600 From: "George R. Kasica" Subject: Re: A YF12 history URL On Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:11:21 -0800, you wrote: >Dear George: > >I've been enjoying your group for sometime now, but have never >participated in the discussions. In fact, I'm not sure how to do so. Its very simple, just send the message to skunk-works@netwrx1.com like I have done in the CC Line above. >I came across an on-line book today titled "ON THE FRONTIER, Flight >Research at Dryden, 1946 - 1981" at > >http://is2.dfrc.nasa.gov/History/Publications/SP-4303/ > >Chapter 9-5, "NASA and the Blackbirds", and Appendix P, "YF12 Program >Flight Chronology, 1969 - 1978 might be of interest to others in this >group. > >Since I'm fairly new to the group, I don't know if this URL has already >been mentioned. If it hasn't, please share it with the others and >consider it my lurkers payback. > >Thanks for all the hard work that you do to keep the group going. You're welcome :) >Jim Boyd ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:38:09 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: Sandia Joins National Charge Into 21st Century Nanotechnology Revolution Nanotechnology will revolutionize science progress in the new century as quantum physics did in the last century. Terry UASR - take as suspected duplicate... - ------- Source: Sandia National Laboratory January 21, 2000 Sandia Joins National Charge Into 21st Century Nanotechnology Revolution ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- Sandia and other Department of Energy national laboratories will venture further into the truly tiny realm of atomic and molecular maneuvering following an announcement of a "National Nanotechnology Initiative" by President Clinton today from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena. The initiative would increase overall federal funding for nanoscience and nanotechnology R&D by 84 percent to $497 million beginning in fiscal year 2001. It would increase the funding at DOE from $58 million to $96 million in fiscal year 2001 (66 percent more than in 2000). Nanotechnology refers to the manipulation or self-assembly of individual atoms, molecules, or molecular clusters into structures with dimensions in the 1- to 100-nanometer range to create materials and devices with new or vastly different properties. For comparison, a human hair is about 10,000 nanometers thick. Scientists believe the ability to move and combine individual atoms and molecules will revolutionize the production of virtually every human-made object and usher in a new technology revolution at least as significant as the silicon revolution of the 20th century. "The possibilities to design materials and devices with extraordinary properties through nanotechnology are limited only by one's imagination," says Tom Picraux, Director of Sandia's Physical and Chemical Sciences Center. Building solar cells containing nanolayers or nanorods could significantly increase the amount of electricity converted from sunlight, for example. Computer memory devices that take advantage of the "spin" of electrons could hold thousands of times more data than today's memory chips. Molecular devices that mimic processes within living cells could help doctors find or treat diseases. Nanoclustered catalysts could help destroy environmental pollutants using the energy from sunlight. Sandia already has used ion-implantation techniques to create lightweight aluminum composites that are as strong and durable as the best steel available. Nanostructured semiconductor materials created at Sandia may enable highly efficient, low power lasers for high-speed optical communications. Biosensors that use molecular bundles similar to those found in living cells are being created that could warn people when traces of a chemical or biological warfare agent are detected. (See list at the end of this news release.) Although nanotechnologies hold great promise, scientists need a much greater understanding of the special rules that govern how nanoscale structures behave and interact and how these rules can be harnessed to create materials and devices. Sandia has pioneered the development of unique force microscopes and other diagnostic tools that allow scientists to observe how atoms and molecules behave. Sandia's supercomputers, among the world's most powerful, also will play a role in modeling the behavior of nanostructures and designing new nanostructured materials. The Department of Energy already is the nation's number-one funding agency in the physical and materials sciences; nanosciences and nanotechnology R&D is an extension of DOE's missions and is expected to produce new insights, materials, and tools that will bring thousands of direct and spin-off benefits to DOE's nuclear weapons stewardship, environmental remediation, efficient energy generation, and national security work. Recent Sandia news releases relating to nanoscience, with downloadable color photos, can be found at: Course on nanotechnologies, http://www.sandia.gov/media/NewsRel/NR1999/BRINKER.htm Quantum dots, http://www.sandia.gov/media/NewsRel/NR1999/quantum.htm Self-assembled nanospheres, http://www.sandia.gov/media/nanos.htm Nanopattern probing, http://www.sandia.gov/media/atomorg.htm Photonic lattice, http://www.sandia.gov/media/photonic.htm Seashell-like coating, http://www.sandia.gov/media/seashell.htm Quantum transistor, http://www.sandia.gov/media/quantran.htm Super-sensitive coating, http://www.sandia.gov/media/porosity.htm Biocavity laser, http://www.sandia.gov/media/vcsel.htm Metal-detecting molecules, http://www.sandia.gov/media/metal.htm Protonic computer memory, http://www.sandia.gov/media/protonic.htm - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 100 22:47:26 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: B2 Bomber Electrogravitic Propulsion Oh my Lord... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:00:43 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: FWD (TLCB) B-24 "Beautiful Betsy that crashed in February 1945 in Australia Sending to the Skunk-Works list for the fellow who researches crash sites. His e-mail addy has "xeno" or "xena" or something like that in it. Terry - ----- Colin Benson of Australia sent me this e-mail today about the B-24 "Beautiful Betsy that crashed in February 1945 in Australia. They must have a lot of them around that still have not been found. It sounds very exciting to visit a bit of history like that. Gene Rossel On Friday, I head off south for the weekend to see the crash site of B-24 "Beautiful Betsy tht crashed in February 1945 and not found until August 1994, with my boss, Terry (Dr. Terry Dixon), a research engineer, his mate, Harry a high school teacher, and Garry Cooper, the ex-RAAF pilot I've emailed about before over his CMH recommendation. Garry twisted his ankle the weekend before last, so I have to phone tonight to check if he is able to come. He researched Betsy in the early 1970s and is eager to come ... he lives in New South Wales, and has about 700 miles to come ... flying as passenger with the airline he flies for, no doubt. (He has told me they don't give him any free seats!) It's at least a three hour drive to Rockhampton where will stay overnight, then an hour down the highway and two hours in the bush to the forest ssw of Rockhampton. Rockhampton is usually a dry area, but rain was predicted there today, so I hope it doesn't mess us up. It took quite a number of phone calls to get permits to traverse the forest and camp, as well as paying $3.50 each to camp overnight. Here's hoping it's sunny part of the time to get some good photographs. (Peter Dunn, whom you emailed, has a bit aobut the site on his web page.) - ----- At 04:25 PM 2/7/2000 -0500, Randy Ryman wrote: >William Gardner wrote: > > > Speaking of WWII stories, tonight on the History Channel at 8:00pm EST, > there is a program titled " Ghost Plane of the Desert: Lady Be > Good." The Lady Be Good was a B-24 that disappeared during WWII and was > not discovered until the late 1950's by an oil exploration crew. I'm > taping it for my uncle in Fort Walton Beach, FL who was a B-24 pilot > during WWII. - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V9 #5 ******************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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