From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V9 #21 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 09 : Number 021 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** B-52 mission at U-Tapao Air Base, Thailand mission at U-Tapao Air Base, Thailand Kosovo F117 Re: Kosovo F117 F-117 Flight Manual Forwarded mail.... Giant airships! List Re: List RE: List F-117 manual on Ebay Re: List off topic: E-3 Sentry Re: off topic: E-3 Sentry Re: off topic: E-3 Sentry Re: off topic: E-3 Sentry RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:29:02 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: B-52 mission at U-Tapao Air Base, Thailand It says in my B-52 book, when bomber missions commenced out of U-Tapao on 10 April 1967, the usual proceedure was to launch from Anderson and bomb a target in Viet Nam in a normal way. However, rather than make the long flight back to Guam, the crew would then proceed to Thailand. Once in temperary residence, a B-52 and crew would then fly eight "round robin sorties", before launching on another mission that would culminate in a return to Anderson. In this way the Thai base was able to achieve a high level of productivity, with it's 15 aircraft comfortably able to account for 450 of the 800 sorties that were being flown every month. Furthermore, this continually rotating method meant that anything more complex then servicing of the aircraft were undertaken on Guam. (this may have been true for a few months, but I know when I arrived I 10-67 I did more then just service A/C, I changed engines and overhauled them too) U-Tapao's assumption of sole responsibility for the Arc Light campaign in Sept. 1970 resulted in it becoming home for over 40 B52-Ds and the new designation of the 307th Bomb wing, dropping the 4258th designation. Fred Fernandez U-t 67-68 "knuckle buster" Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:56 PM Subject: Re: TLC-Mission: A little more information. > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:39:02 EST, you wrote: > >When I was at U-Tapao from Nov 67 to Nov 68. I remember the term Arc Light. > >As I have said before, they never told us if we were accomplishing anything > >with the buffs. The only schedule I can remember was for some period of time, > >we were launching 6 bombers every 4 hours, with 2 spares ready to take off if > >any of the 6 had trouble. I wonder if they all had specific targets, or were > >they sent to the guys on the ground who needed them the most. I can remember > >a buff loaded with 500 pounders, then they changed to 750 pounders, and then > >back to 500 pounders again. Would any of you MMS guys know why they would > >have done that? > >Jay Cole > > Sure; > > 1. FRAG CHANGE!!(courtesy of Scatback Alpha) > 2. Nobody had anything else to do > 3. Bigger monkeys sighted > 4. Bigger toothpicks needed > 5. The karma was wrong for the fragged BUF > 6. The weather went from dry to wet(Loading BUFs in a monsoon is a > thing of beauty) > 7. When it was all said and done, you went back to 500 pounders > because because they were more photogenic. Can't have an ugly BUF, you > know. > > tom(NCOIC of TDY pre-load, UT, 1973) > "Don't tell my mama I'm a weaponz troop--She thinks I'm a piano player > in fancy lady house" - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:17:31 PST From: "wayne binkley" Subject: mission at U-Tapao Air Base, Thailand to all u-tapao vets on this list.all though i was a crew member on flying status, the most important work was the"undercover"mission code named "swan lake"wayne binkley(C-130 FE) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:07:08 +1030 From: Dennis Lapcewich Subject: Kosovo F117 Remember the F117 that went down in Kosovo? Check this ... LONDON (Reuters) - A spy in NATO provided the Serbs with top-secret details of the alliance's bombing raids against Yugoslavia during the Kosovo conflict last year, the Guardian reported on Thursday. The details included targets to be hit and precise flight paths, the newspaper said, citing unidentified high-level U.S. sources. The Guardian said an internal classified report drawn up for senior U.S. defense officials concluded the Serbs had access to NATO's daily orders for air raids and reconnaissance flights during the first two weeks of the bombing campaign which began last March. See http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000308/ts/nato_spy_1.html - -------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Lapcewich - Web Developer ITS Corporate Web Services University of South Australia Adelaide, Australia Dennis.Lapcewich@UniSA.edu.au www.unisa.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:05:43 -0800 From: Timothy Toth Subject: Re: Kosovo F117 Well it's not new, I was following the Kosovo 'story' quite closely (writting daily 'reports' for friends). At the time some had accused the French (and not a Serb paid spy) of being responsable for the 'leak' which of course they denied. The French had managed to get a special right to overview each mission (they are not part of NATO remember) in 'exchange' for their participation. Of course spying on and from 'friendly' countries is not new, and the French have a strong tendency to play their own game. An other possibility of course is Greece, which although it is part of NATO has strong links with Russia and Yougoslavia (All Orthodox). They have previously 'sold' secret NATO codes and info to Russia, and they where strongly opposed to the mission. Timothy Dennis Lapcewich wrote: > Remember the F117 that went down in Kosovo? > > Check this ... > > LONDON (Reuters) - A spy in NATO provided the Serbs with top-secret details of > the alliance's bombing raids against Yugoslavia during the Kosovo conflict last > year, the Guardian reported on Thursday. > > The details included targets to be hit and precise flight paths, the newspaper > said, citing unidentified high-level U.S. sources. > > The Guardian said an internal classified report drawn up for senior U.S. > defense officials concluded the Serbs had access to NATO's daily orders for air > raids and reconnaissance flights during the first two weeks of the bombing > campaign which began last March. > > See http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000308/ts/nato_spy_1.html > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Dennis Lapcewich - Web Developer > ITS Corporate Web Services > University of South Australia > Adelaide, Australia > Dennis.Lapcewich@UniSA.edu.au > www.unisa.edu.au > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:49:56 -0700 From: Brent Clark Subject: F-117 Flight Manual Came across something interesting in my "surfing". I found that someone has a F-117 Dash 1 for sale on E-Bay. See http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?Viewitem&item=276787384 I thought this interesting that such an item would already be declassified, but many of the dash ones that I have used don't necessarily have alot of need to know info. Upon checking out the site this mourning I saw that the item had been retracted and checking the bid history there is an note stating that the item was retracted due to "National Security Reasons". I wondered how this became available to the public. Thought maybe they we're declassifying more on the F-117. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:13:55 -0800 (PST) From: Wei-Jen Su Subject: Forwarded mail.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_671000/671126.stm May the Force be with you Wei-Jen Su E-mail: wsu@cco.caltech.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I Trek. Therefore I Am" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:57:57 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: Giant airships! This is a steenkeen frames site and loads slowly. Terry < http://www.cargolifter.com/ > Willkommen bei der CargoLifter AG! The first generation of CargoLifters, the CL160s, are intended to carry payloads of up to 160 tonnes - that is as much as about 27 full-grown African elephants - at a speed of 80 to 100 km/h and a maximum height of 2,000 meters non-stop over several thousand kilometers. - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:36:00 -0500 From: Jim Stevenson Subject: List I have not received individual messages from the list in a long time. All I receive is the summary. Lately, I have not received it. Is the list OK? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:41:27 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: Re: List > I have not received individual messages from the list in a long time. All I > receive is the summary. Lately, I have not received it. > > Is the list OK? > > Jim > As far as I know it's fine. Sam CIO - Dark Entertainment LLC http://www.darkent.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:32:04 -0500 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: RE: List This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8E8B.3C183140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yup! Just quiet.... Greg W - -----Original Message----- From: Sam Kaltsidis [mailto:skaltsid@mcs.kent.edu] Sent: March 15, 2000 8:41 AM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: List > I have not received individual messages from the list in a long time. All I > receive is the summary. Lately, I have not received it. > > Is the list OK? > > Jim > As far as I know it's fine. Sam CIO - Dark Entertainment LLC http://www.darkent.com - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8E8B.3C183140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: List

Yup!  Just quiet....

Greg W

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Kaltsidis [mailto:skaltsid@mcs.kent.edu]
Sent: March 15, 2000 8:41 AM
To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
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> I have not received individual messages from the list in a long time. All I
> receive is the summary. Lately, I have not received it.
>
> Is the list OK?
>
> Jim
>

As far as I know it's fine.

Sam

CIO - Dark Entertainment LLC
http://www.darkent.com

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8E8B.3C183140-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:48:28 EST From: MiGEater1@aol.com Subject: F-117 manual on Ebay I wrote the auction seller for the F-117 flight manual to find out more information. Apparently the US Air Force contacted him and "requested" that he end the auction. He was told that there is information in the manual that could compromise the aircraft. For what its worth, the high bid was around $480. John Clark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:23:29 -0600 From: "George R. Kasica" Subject: Re: List On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:36:00 -0500, you wrote: >I have not received individual messages from the list in a long time. All I >receive is the summary. Lately, I have not received it. > >Is the list OK? > >Jim If you're unsure of being subscribes just try to resubscribe again, it won't let you do it twice. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:09:40 -0800 From: Erik Hoel Subject: off topic: E-3 Sentry Given the relative congestion of the list these days, I thought I'd ask the following - why is the radar dome on top of the E-3 Sentry positioned so far aft? It appears that the pylon is located right behind where the wing fillet ends. I would have guessed that it would have been positioned at the aircrafts center of gravity (perhaps this is where the CG actually is?). Perhaps it is counterbalancing some heavy equipment (computers, etc.) that is located forward on the aircraft. Can someone shed some additional light on this issue? Thanks, Erik - -- Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 100 15:13:18 EST From: keller@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: off topic: E-3 Sentry Eric Hoel wrote: >Given the relative congestion of the list these days, I thought I'd ask the >following - why is the radar dome on top of the E-3 Sentry positioned so far >aft? It appears that the pylon is located right behind where the wing fillet >ends. I would have guessed that it would have been positioned at the >aircrafts center of gravity (perhaps this is where the CG actually is?). >Perhaps it is counterbalancing some heavy equipment (computers, etc.) that >is located forward on the aircraft. >Can someone shed some additional light on this issue? Interesting question. Looking at Boeing's AWACS photo gallery (http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/infoelect/awacs.html), of which the best picture illustrating this is: http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/infoelect/ukawacs2.jpg My guess would be that it may be simply to afford the radar the best view downward that's clear of both the wings and the horizontal stabs. If you look at it, it's located very nearly between the two. The radome is located in a similar position on the 767 AWACS illustrated at Boeing's website as well. In similar vein, I'd also have to wonder if the radome needs to be near the center of _lift_ (CL) in order to minimize its effect on the plane's aerodynamics. On the swept wing aircraft, the CL will be pretty far behind the wing root trailing edge. That radome could well generate quite a bit of lift, particularly at high angles of attack. FWW, the CG of virtually any tricycle landing-geared A/C will be just ahead of the main landing gear. Obviously not behind the main gear, as the AWACS radome is, otherwise the aircraft would tip back on its tail on the ground! - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:55:05 -0000 From: "Gavin Payne" Subject: Re: off topic: E-3 Sentry I heard part of the answer to this once from an E3 pilot. One of the reasons its where it is is because the airframe is stronger there than in most other places on the fuselage, the other is to do with the airflow between the wings and tailplane at low speeds. In terms of weight, when in flight its supposed to generate enough life to make it effectively weightless when in flight. I don't know how valid this all is though. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Hoel" To: "Skunk Works (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: off topic: E-3 Sentry > Given the relative congestion of the list these days, I thought I'd ask the > following - why is the radar dome on top of the E-3 Sentry positioned so far > aft? It appears that the pylon is located right behind where the wing fillet > ends. I would have guessed that it would have been positioned at the > aircrafts center of gravity (perhaps this is where the CG actually is?). > Perhaps it is counterbalancing some heavy equipment (computers, etc.) that > is located forward on the aircraft. > > Can someone shed some additional light on this issue? > > Thanks, > Erik > -- > Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com > Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com > 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel > Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:45:38 -0800 From: Timothy Toth Subject: Re: off topic: E-3 Sentry From what I read the lift generated by the radome is sufficient to counterbalance it's own weight/drag penalty. Timothy > > That radome could well generate quite a bit of lift, particularly at high > angles of attack. > --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:02:09 -0800 From: Erik Hoel Subject: RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry I am looking at a small desktop/page-a-day calendar which has an E-3 on it (at least today - this is also why I asked the original question), and the pylon that is supporting the dome is painted in two colors. The strange bit is that the trailing edge is painted white (~1/3 of the pylon in the horizontal), while the leading edge is the standard gray color (~2/3 of the pylon). When looking at the tail, it is painted in the same manner, with the rudder painted the same white color. My stupid follow-up question is why did they paint the pylon in this manner (I expect people on the list to be clairvoyant and actually see this 2"x3" photo on my desk...). Could it be possible that the pylon is a control structure (perhaps a large trim tab of sorts?). Erik - -- Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Toth [mailto:Timothy_toth@bc.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:46 PM > To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com > Subject: Re: off topic: E-3 Sentry > > > From what I read the lift generated by the radome is > sufficient to counterbalance > it's own weight/drag penalty. > Timothy > > > > That radome could well generate quite a bit of lift, > particularly at high > > angles of attack. > > --Paul > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:53:35 -0500 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8F9A.75F13BA4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You're really bored today, aren't you Erik? - -----Original Message----- My stupid follow-up question is - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8F9A.75F13BA4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry

You're really bored today, aren't you Erik?
-----Original Message-----
<snip>My stupid follow-up question is  <snip>

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8F9A.75F13BA4-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:48:41 -0800 From: Erik Hoel Subject: RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8FA2.2E6DEF36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greg Weigold writes: > You're really bored today, aren't you Erik? > -----Original Message----- > My stupid follow-up question is I'm not sure how to interpret this - is your point either: 1. the question is _very_ stupid and I must be bored, or 2. why are you asking two questions about the E-3? The list is painfully slow - I decided to take the liberty to ask a couple questions that did come to mind that certainly are off topic. I did learn something from the first question I asked - the dome provides lift, and it is positioned where it is either because this is a very strong place on the airframe, or it is located near the center of lift (which is often located behind the wing fillets on swept wing aircraft). The second question was also legitimate on my part (r.e., is the pylon completely static, or does it have some control capability) - I'm staring at a photo of an E-3 with a paint job on the pylon that is very strange (I will scan the tonight image and send it to anyone that might be interested). Due to the very apparent similarities between the pylon and tail paint jobs, I decided to ask the question. I really would like to know this answer - figured someone on this list would know for sure. Erik - -- Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8FA2.2E6DEF36 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry
Greg Weigold writes:

> You're really = bored today,=20 aren't you Erik? 
> -----Original = Message----- 
> = <snip>My stupid follow-up question is  <snip>=20

I'm not sure=20 how to interpret this - is your point either:
 
1. the=20 question is _very_ stupid and I must be bored, or
2. why are=20 you asking two questions about the E-3?
 
The list is=20 painfully slow - I decided to take the liberty to ask a couple = questions that=20 did come to mind that certainly are off topic. I did learn something = from the=20 first question I asked - the dome provides lift, and it is positioned = where it=20 is either because this is a very strong place on the airframe, or it is = located=20 near the center of lift (which is often located behind the wing fillets = on swept=20 wing aircraft).
 
The second=20 question was also legitimate on my part (r.e., is the pylon = completely=20 static, or does it have some control capability) - I'm staring at a = photo of an=20 E-3 with a paint job on the pylon that is very strange (I will scan the = tonight=20 image and send it to anyone that might be interested). Due to the very = apparent=20 similarities between the pylon and tail paint jobs, I decided to ask = the=20 question. I really would like to know this answer - figured someone on = this list=20 would know for sure.

Erik
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Environmental Systems Research=20 Institute      http://www.esri.com
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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8FA2.2E6DEF36-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:16:38 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: RE: off topic: E-3 Sentry > Greg Weigold writes: > > > You're really bored today, aren't you Erik? > > -----Original Message----- > > My stupid follow-up question is > > I'm not sure how to interpret this - is your point either: > > 1. the question is _very_ stupid and I must be bored, or > 2. why are you asking two questions about the E-3? > > The list is painfully slow - I decided to take the liberty to ask a couple > questions that did come to mind that certainly are off topic. I did learn > something from the first question I asked - the dome provides lift, and it > is positioned where it is either because this is a very strong place on the > airframe, or it is located near the center of lift (which is often located > behind the wing fillets on swept wing aircraft). > > The second question was also legitimate on my part (r.e., is the pylon > completely static, or does it have some control capability) - I'm staring at > a photo of an E-3 with a paint job on the pylon that is very strange (I will > scan the tonight image and send it to anyone that might be interested). Due > to the very apparent similarities between the pylon and tail paint jobs, I > decided to ask the question. I really would like to know this answer - > figured someone on this list would know for sure. > > Erik > -- > Erik Hoel mailto:ehoel@esri.com > > Environmental Systems Research Institute http://www.esri.com > > 380 New York Street 909-793-2853 (x1-1548) tel > Redlands, CA 92373-8100 909-307-3067 fax > > > - Please send it to me. skaltsid@mcs.kent.edu Thanks, Sam CIO - Dark Entertainment LLC http://www.darkent.com ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V9 #21 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe in the body. Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent to georgek@netwrx1.com. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "skunk-works-digest" in the commands above with "skunk-works". Back issues are available for viewing by a www interface located at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ If you have any questions or problems please contact me at: georgek@netwrx1.com Thanks, George R. Kasica Listowner